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November 6, 2007 5:48:30 PM

I currently have an x1950xt with a x2 4200 and wanted to wait till g100/r700 came out but Ive been thinking about my cpu and it looks like the next generation cards might get bottlenecked. Should I wait or upgrade to one of the new midrange cards. I like to game at 1280x1024 4aa 16af. This will probably be the last upgrade to this system.

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November 6, 2007 6:04:04 PM

Your CPU should be fine with one of the current midrange cards.Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
November 6, 2007 6:19:05 PM

Yes it will bottleneck, but it will be a big improvement over your current card so you'll be fine.
My X2 holds back my 2900pro, but framerates are solid so it does not spoil my enjoyment.
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November 6, 2007 6:42:17 PM

CPU overclocking will defenitely increase 3D performance while running such monsters as 8800GT, so do try. The best choice is Core 2 Duo purchase (with overclocking, of course).
November 6, 2007 7:21:04 PM

Cant oc cause I have a laser locked mobo from hp and Im sure as hell not buying another mobo/processor/ram setup so I guess I'll just pick up an 8800 or hd3870 thanks for your help.
November 6, 2007 7:51:03 PM

CPU bottlenecking only really occurs at resolutions below 1600x1200, and if you're boying a high-end card you'll probably be running higher res than that anyway.
November 6, 2007 8:09:58 PM

There are games that are CPU bounded (a problem for your cpu), but most games are GPU bounded, so it wouldn't be a problem.

Personally I would wait for the next gen of video cards to get a good performance change.
November 6, 2007 8:14:49 PM

cleeve said:

if you're boying a high-end card you'll probably be running higher res than that anyway.


Not necessarily because even at resolutions like 1280x1024 some newer games are demanding enough to warrant a high end card if the eye candy is enabled.
a b U Graphics card
November 6, 2007 8:25:59 PM

They test an 8800GT on a few CPU's in this comparison of COD4, UT3, and Crysis. You see some bottleneck on a X2 4000+ and 8800GT even with fsaa, but like Cleeve mentioned it disappears at 16x12. And with fsaa in crysis, the lil' X2 seems to keep up even at 12x10. I wouldn't hesitate to buy an 8800GT for your rig. It will far outgame a 8600GTS and C2D e6850 combo. In contrast, I wouldn't go 8800GT SLI on your CPU though.
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/$500_gaming_pc_upgrade/page5.asp
a c 1401 U Graphics card
November 6, 2007 9:22:08 PM

with x1950xt and 1280x1024 I do not see a reason for you to upgrade unless you are going vista for dx10 or want to start a new system upgrade with a new GPU
November 6, 2007 9:40:40 PM

Thanks for the advice guys. I'm pretty sure ill go for either the 3870 or 8800gt now. Just gotta save up for a larger monitor. The reason I play at 1280x1024 is because that is my 19' native rez :( 
November 6, 2007 9:46:06 PM

kpo6969 said:
It was worth it to me:3D Mark 06
x2 5000 + 8800GT=9038
VS
x2 5000 + 8600GT=4961

after and before upgrade

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=3483542

I run Vista with a 19" LCD 1280x1024 (max) and the 8800 is a big improvement over the 8600 for me. I may upgrade to a 22" if my budget allows and I can use only a single-slot card because of system limitations.
a b U Graphics card
November 6, 2007 9:50:33 PM

kpo6969 said:
It was worth it to me:3D Mark 06
x2 5000 + 8800GT=9038
VS
x2 5000 + 8600GT=4961

after and before upgrade

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=3483542


Hmm, 12 more bungholio's per buck, what a bargain indeed. :pt1cable: 
November 6, 2007 9:56:46 PM

pauldh said:
Hmm, 12 more bungholio's per buck, what a bargain indeed. :pt1cable: 

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November 6, 2007 10:38:32 PM

Yeah, get a highend card and run at high resolutions and you will not bottleneck. Either that or OC that puppy with the tuniq tower or thermalright 120 ultra as your heatsink. You can push it to about 3Ghz if your cooling is good enough. I got my x2 4200+ at 2.87Ghz stable.
a b U Graphics card
November 6, 2007 10:47:24 PM

My x1950GT bottlenecks my AMD 64x2 4200 on Command & Conquer 3 running at 1280x1024 resolution during heavy, heavy fighting. And I got 2 Gigs of Kingston Hyper X DDR800 ram too. (However it is running at 667MHz)

Your current video card is pretty awesome.

If I was you I would upgrade your CPU to a 64x2 5600 or 6000 (Assuming you have an AM2 board) before looking for a video card stronger than the one you currently own.

Keep in mind that the AMD 64x2 6000 Energy Efficent model which runs at 89 Watts ( a big drop from 125W) will likely be available before this month is over.

I would invest in that first before looking at a 8800GT or a HD38XX

I remember this time last year when Tom's Hardware was doing benches on the 8800GTX and they found out that an AMD 64x2 5200 was holding back the 8800GTX by a good amount and that the 8800GTX peak frame rates did not begin to reach it’s peak until it was hooked up to an Intel Core2Duo e6600.
November 7, 2007 1:16:42 AM

Nope I'm still on 939 upgrading to AM2 and an x2 processor now would be pointless. I figure I'll just get a new 22' monitor and a midrange card now, and maybe start a new quad core build around this time next year. Thanks for the reply though.
November 16, 2007 6:31:16 PM

rwayne said:

I remember this time last year when Tom's Hardware was doing benches on the 8800GTX and they found out that an AMD 64x2 5200 was holding back the 8800GTX by a good amount and that the 8800GTX peak frame rates did not begin to reach it’s peak until it was hooked up to an Intel Core2Duo e6600.


Once again though, it was holding back framerates below 1600x1200.

And who cares if it's 100 fps vs. 140 fps at 1280x1024 when the monitor can only display 80 Hz?

At higher resolutions, the bottleneck pretty much dissapeared... didn't matter which CPU was used. Check the article.
a b U Graphics card
November 18, 2007 9:36:47 PM

I don't understand. This is new to me and I am not an expert. You mean a smaller monitor can actually bottle neck a strong video card?

So what you are saying is if a monitor can only display images at the rate of 80Hz then any frame rates above 80 would create a bottleneck. correct?

And the only way to alievate that is to get a larger monitor. Correct?
November 19, 2007 1:47:03 PM

What I'm saying is that most LCD monitors on the planet are running at 60 Hz, which means they can display a maximum of 60 frames per second without tearing artifacts. Even CRT monitors cap out at about 80 Hz, or 80 frames per second.

So if your CPU is 'bottlenecking' you down to 100 fps vs. a newer CPU that's getting 140 fps at 1280x1024, it's an irrelevant bottleneck because no monitor could display the difference.

As resolutions go higher and framerates drop to the point you could see it on your monitor, the graphics card becomes the bottleneck and the CPU difference matters much less, in many cases it's almost completely erased.

a b U Graphics card
November 20, 2007 12:10:58 AM

So if you have a monitor that runs at 60MHZ and a monster of a card that can dish out 100 fraps. Then a strong card then becomes a bad thing? correct?
November 20, 2007 2:58:52 AM

Haha, doesn't really matter since most of the 8800gt's are out of stock and the ones in stock are overpriced. :( 
November 20, 2007 1:41:15 PM

rwayne said:
So if you have a monitor that runs at 60MHZ and a monster of a card that can dish out 100 fraps. Then a strong card then becomes a bad thing? correct?


No, not a bad thing. Just wasted potential.
a b U Graphics card
November 20, 2007 9:31:58 PM

I thought you said that any high amount of fraps over the MHz of the monitor would create artifacting.
November 21, 2007 1:53:02 AM

Yes, but if you turn on vsync you'll limit the frames per second to the monitor's refresh rate.

It's not a big deal, you're better off with more frames per second than a slide show... the point is, if you have that many frames per second to spare, you can run at a much higher resolution - or with higher image quality - anyway. And at those higher settings, the CPU's influence is minimized.
a b U Graphics card
November 21, 2007 2:11:22 AM

is Vsync a option on the monitor's menu or on the Nvidia control panel &ATI Catalyst
November 21, 2007 3:17:43 AM

dude, even the 8800gtx doesn't max out a 16x pci-e 1.0 slot. Dont believe me, lookup the bandwidth on the 8800gtx white paper and compare it to the bus speed, and then compare that to the north bridge, and then that to the memory speed, and then that to the average hard drive speed, At the end you'll realise that nothing you do will ever change the fact that computers are always bottlenecked, by everything except the CPU.

the 4200+ is all your ever gonna need for at least another year.
November 21, 2007 1:38:15 PM

Vsync is in the driver control panel, and in the options of some games.
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