They say once you go black....

[hell_spawn]

I am building a new system for myself as my opty 148 just isn't cutting it for me anymore....

so here is what I have been thinking:


AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ Black Edition Dual-Core Socket AM2, 2.6GHz, 512KB x2 L2 Cache, 2000MHz HT, 65nm,

Asus M2N32-SLI Deluxe/Wireless Edition Socket AM2

OCZ (OCZ2RPR8002GK) DDR2 PC2-6400 800MHz Reaper HPC Edition 2GB (2x1024MB) EPP Dual Channel Kit

OCZ (OCZ850GXSSLI) GameXStream 850 Watt Power Supply

Zalman CNPS-9700NT


I already have a 8800 GTS 640MB already and will eventually be dropping another one in there
and for a case I currently have a thermaltake xaser V.

any thoughts/suggestions?

I'm not sure about the RAM... HSF clearance scares me a bit and not too sure about the timings

 

[bcboy]

Silly, silly boy. Why would you waste your money on an AMD chip? Go buy one of the Core 2 Duos. The top three or four of that line will out-perform an overclocked 5000+ Black at stock speeds. Do the right thing: Let AMD suffer a quiet death at the hands of the C2D.

 

[akhilles]

...you're outta Iraq. Is what I heard.

I don't think so. Gimme the opty & remove the IHS that can cut anything.

Since you're planning on SLI, I won't suggest RD790 boards (tri-crossfire).

The only things I would changes are:

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=24641&vpn=BL2KIT12864AA804&manufacture=CRUCIAL%20TECHNOLOGY&promoid=1016
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=23531&vpn=ULTRA-120-EXTREME&manufacture=THERMALRIGHT&promoid=1016
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=26747&vpn=SY1225SL12M&manufacture=Scythe

9700 is good at stock speed. Once maxed out, it's loud. You o/c, you have to max out the fan speeds or limit the o/c. The 120 needs a fan. The Scythe isn't bad.

 

[rgeist554]

That's a pretty good setup. I'm almost tempted to go buy the 5000+ Black Edition just because it's so easy to OC.

Silly, silly boy. Why would you waste your money on an AMD chip? Go buy one of the Core 2 Duos. The top three or four of that line will out-perform an overclocked 5000+ Black at stock speeds. Do the right thing: Let AMD suffer a quiet death at the hands of the C2D.

That AMD is cheaper than the top-tier C2D.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115028 - 3.0Ghz and it costs $279.00... Hmm

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017
- 2.4Ghz QUAD for as much as the C2D E6850

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103194&Tpk=5000%252b%2bblack%2bedition - 2.6Ghz & will OC to 3.0+Ghz for $129.00... Save the money and OC your self

And you really don't want AMD to die or you're going to be charged even more by Intel because they'll have no competition. They're going to have the monopoly on the market - kinda like blackberries. (If you don't know what I'm talking about, go look at blackberries. You'll see that every model is $400. Even the old POS ones.) Now, take back your statement about AMD and go sit in the corner.

 

[zenmaster]

Silly, silly boy. Why would you waste your money on an AMD chip? Go buy one of the Core 2 Duos. The top three or four of that line will out-perform an overclocked 5000+ Black at stock speeds. Do the right thing: Let AMD suffer a quiet death at the hands of the C2D.

Actually, even the cheapest E2140 when OC'd should beat the Black Edition when OC'd.
But if AMD was my only choice, the 5000+ Black edition is the best of them.

But I'm sure I think rgeist554 had the best reason.
We should encourage others to purchase chips from AMD even if they are not the best option so that they stay in business and help keep Intel's prices down for me.

 

[sunny27]

good decision to go for a 5000+ black edition.will overclock well.
the rest of the stuff looks good.
as for the HSF try the Thermalright Xp-90 heatsink.and for the fan go in for a scythe.i got them and it does well in maintaining the pu temperature when i run my overclocked opteron.

 

[rodney_ws]

Once you go Asian you never go Caucasian. I thought that's how it went.

 

[javimars]

That's a pretty good setup. I'm almost tempted to go buy the 5000+ Black Edition just because it's so easy to OC.

Silly, silly boy. Why would you waste your money on an AMD chip? Go buy one of the Core 2 Duos. The top three or four of that line will out-perform an overclocked 5000+ Black at stock speeds. Do the right thing: Let AMD suffer a quiet death at the hands of the C2D.

That AMD is cheaper than the top-tier C2D.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115028 - 3.0Ghz and it costs $279.00... Hmm

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017
- 2.4Ghz QUAD for as much as the C2D E6850

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103194&Tpk=5000%252b%2bblack%2bedition - 2.6Ghz & will OC to 3.0+Ghz for $129.00... Save the money and OC your self

And you really don't want AMD to die or you're going to be charged even more by Intel because they'll have no competition. They're going to have the monopoly on the market - kinda like blackberries. (If you don't know what I'm talking about, go look at blackberries. You'll see that every model is $400. Even the old POS ones.) Now, take back your statement about AMD and go sit in the corner.

funny. my $114 e4300 chip ocs to 3.5ghz on air and it rapes the BE. even the q6600 at stocks speeds rapes the BE. the q6600 @3.6ghz is like having 3-4 BE....im sure $266 wouldnt be a waste of money..

 

[rgeist554]

I'm not ripping on Intel, nor saying that AMD is better, but showing what you suggested when compared to the BE. The top C2D is just as much as a Quad, so that that point you may as well just buy the quad. Also, if you're going to spend $150 on 400Mhz (e6850), it's just silly when he can buy cheaper and OC to achieve similar results. ( read similar, not exactly the same)

 

[Dahak]

The black version X2 5000+ has an unlocked multiplier allowing for higher,more stable clock speeds.That by itslef makes it a gamers cpu.Seriously,how long has it been since AMD left the multiplier unlocked on their cpu's???What 5 years???Personally I like the ideal of being able to change the multiplier upwards.It shows AMD is still commited to the gaming community.And without healthy competition,cpu prices would be outrages.I'm veritably tired of multi billion dollar giants like Intel and Microsoft charging whatever they damn well please to fill their pocket books.When does the consumer start to matter???Except as mass fodder.Computers are here to stay and all those software and hardware companies can make just as much money with higher volumes of sales rather than higher prices.

Dahak

M2N32 SLI-DELUXE MB
AM2 X2 5600+ STOCK
THERMALTAKE TP 850WATT PSU
EVGA 7950 GX2
SMILIDON RAIDMAX CASE
2 GIGS DDR2-800
1-250GIG SATA2 HD
1-320GIG SATA2 HD
DVD COMBO DRIVE
ACER 22IN WS LCD
WINXP MC EDITION

 

[zenmaster]

I'm not ripping on Intel, nor saying that AMD is better, but showing what you suggested when compared to the BE. The top C2D is just as much as a Quad, so that that point you may as well just buy the quad. Also, if you're going to spend $150 on 400Mhz (e6850), it's just silly when he can buy cheaper and OC to achieve similar results. ( read similar, not exactly the same)

But the E2140/E2160 are much cheaper and they OC to outperform the X2 6000+ by about quite a bit.
The E6750 is stock @2.66 but again it would be silly to not OC to 3.6-4.0Ghz range.

If you don't need the performance, get the Cheap E2140/E2160 and configure them to be faster than the E6750.
If you do need the performance, set the E6750 to run fast.

The Abit P35 for $69 makes a real nice pairing if you are cost concious.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813127031

 

[CannedTurkey]

Once you go black, you need to wait for the power to come back.

 

[rgeist554]

But the E2140/E2160 are much cheaper and they OC to outperform the X2 6000+ by about quite a bit.
The E6750 is stock @2.66 but again it would be silly to not OC to 3.6-4.0Ghz range.

If you don't need the performance, get the Cheap E2140/E2160 and configure them to be faster than the E6750.
If you do need the performance, set the E6750 to run fast.

Yes, but he originally didn't compare the E2140, he said "top of the line C2D", meaning E6850 etc. That's where I was comparing monetary value.

And for the BE, the ease at which if OC's w/o the need for additional cooling is great for a person new to OCing.

 

[ro3dog]

I would say wait till Nov 20th,because if you dont have the board or cpu they should be cheaper then.Also the Phenom will be mid-rage along with the 780 m-boards.Thats if you are going to buy whats listed.Just my 2 cents

 

[rgeist554]

When is Black Friday? Is that Nov 20th?

 

[ro3dog]

Once you go black,you where bitten by a snake,turantula or a BAT! HAAAAAAA!

 

[caamsa]

I wanna know what his old system is................single core opty? Why not pick up a X2 3800+ 939 for $50.00 and over clock it.....that would save him cash keep him happy for a while until Phenom comes out.

 

[caamsa]

funny. my $114 e4300 chip ocs to 3.5ghz on air and it rapes the BE. even the q6600 at stocks speeds rapes the BE. the q6600 @3.6ghz is like having 3-4 BE....im sure $266 wouldnt be a waste of money..

I was looking at your specs........how much did your total system cost in order to maintain that OC? Also why did you waste your money on the e4300 when you could have gotten 4 of them in the q6600 for approx $130.00 more.........????

 

[rgeist554]

I think there are some reviews with that chip at 3.0Ghz w/ just air cooling. They didn't post any real stats or benchmarks, so I don't know how serious to take their claims. It may not even run stable, I'm not sure.

 

[physx7]

Silly, silly boy. Why would you waste your money on an AMD chip? Go buy one of the Core 2 Duos. The top three or four of that line will out-perform an overclocked 5000+ Black at stock speeds. Do the right thing: Let AMD suffer a quiet death at the hands of the C2D.

Hey! my AMD has served me well! (But I really don't care if it is an AMD or Core2)

(bit off topic but my $0.02)

 

[bcboy]

Actually, even the cheapest E2140 when OC'd should beat the Black Edition when OC'd.
But if AMD was my only choice, the 5000+ Black edition is the best of them.

But I'm sure I think rgeist554 had the best reason.
We should encourage others to purchase chips from AMD even if they are not the best option so that they stay in business and help keep Intel's prices down for me.

And me!

Once you go black, you need to wait for the power to come back.

provided the heatsink didn't fall off causing the blackness to begin with...

The BE 5000+ overclocked will blow out the 6000+ and E6550, at stock speeds of course.

Are you on drugs? I'll bet my e6550 over ANY AMD chip currently available. No cooling except what Intel provided. Stock voltages. I'm currently typing this on my easy-to-set-up 1GHz overclock. That's right, stock-cooled e6550(2.33GHZ) at 3.33GHz.

try that with your amd.

The cpu is cheap, the AM2 boards are really, really, cheap and so is DDR2-800 right now. Go for it.

On the other hand, that is true.

And for the BE, the ease at which if OC's w/o the need for additional cooling is great for a person new to OCing.

You better make sure you don't need additional cooling before you try to heat that CPU up. Or, buy a C2D, so you know you won't need it

 

[javimars]

I was looking at your specs........how much did your total system cost in order to maintain that OC? Also why did you waste your money on the e4300 when you could have gotten 4 of them in the q6600 for approx $130.00 more.........????

well when i got this e4300 i ordered it with a asrock dual vsta because i had 4 gigs of one of the best ddr1 memory. and when i did order it the q6600 wasnt even out yet. with that old motherboard and ram i still had a steady oc of 3.2ghz on stock HSF. right now i have that e4300 running 3.5ghz with a TR 120x that cost me $30 brand new(slickdeals.met) with 4 CRAPPY 120m fans. once i order my q6600 i will order some good fans(any suggestions?)and oc it to 3.6ghz.

 

[Falken699]

Grab the Black edition, take it from a bitter S939 owner. I would sure love one of those processors. 65nm and UNLOCKED multiplier. CHEAP.

 

[killz86]

Grab the Black edition, take it from a bitter S939 owner. I would sure love one of those processors. 65nm and UNLOCKED multiplier. CHEAP.

yeah amd is cheap. but any c2d will beat any amd out there. its a fact. and no i am not a intel lover. i just go best with what a company has to offer.

 

[Zorg]

Once you go Asian you never go Caucasian. I thought that's how it went.

I'll drink to that. [:zorg]