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Can i use a GeForce 8600 in this system?

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Ironside   11-07-2007 at 05:29:26 AM

I have a HP Media Center m7259 (http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc [...] 93&lang=en). I have installed another Gig of RAM and a GeForce 6600, but now I'm ready to upgrade. I've been looking at cards on newegg, and I want to upgrade to a Geforce 8600 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 30085#spec), cant afford an 8800. I just wanted to make sure that this system could handle this card and will a 400 watt PSU be enough power for it. Thanks in advance.

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decripple   11-07-2007 at 06:24:35 AM
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a 400W PSU should be fine

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kpo6969   11-07-2007 at 06:34:48 AM
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Does the "c" in the model # = compact = slimline = low-profile card?

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Ironside   11-07-2007 at 01:25:48 PM
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I'm not sure what the "c" designation is for. But the tower is not much smaller than any other computer I've had in the past.

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zenmaster   11-07-2007 at 01:43:23 PM
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You may want to consider the 8600GTS - It runs quite a bit faster and does not use more more power or cost much more.

The 1950pro may be a little faster but uses more power and runs a bit warmer.

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evongugg   11-07-2007 at 02:04:32 PM
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If you need a low profile 8600GT, you could get this:

http://www.gfe.com.hk/Product_Deta [...] =1&class2=

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lunyone   11-07-2007 at 02:17:40 PM
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Ironside wrote :

I have a HP Media Center m7259 (http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc [...] 93&lang=en). I have installed another Gig of RAM and a GeForce 6600, but now I'm ready to upgrade. I've been looking at cards on newegg, and I want to upgrade to a Geforce 8600 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 30085#spec), cant afford an 8800. I just wanted to make sure that this system could handle this card and will a 400 watt PSU be enough power for it. Thanks in advance.


Yes it should. Is that the stock PSU from HP that your referring to? If it is, you shouldn't have any issues. Like Zen said, 8600gts would be better for gaming, even a 2600xt AMD would be a tad better and you can get it cheaper here: $106 shipped no MIR's to worry about.
SAPPHIRE 100208L Radeon HD 2600XT 256MB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814102700

Here's a link comparing some GPU's on UT3, just so you can see possible differences (at least on that game).
http://www.anandtech.com/video/sho [...] i=3128&p=4
8600gt = ~48 fps at 1280x1024 res
8600gts = ~55 fps
2600xt = ~58 fps
x1950pro = ~58 fps


Message edited by lunyone on 11-07-2007 at 02:20:53 PM
------------------------------ PSU Tiers
GPU Power
8800gtx w/e6600 OC'd will run on Antec 380w w/27A on 12v rail, PSU!!
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Ironside   11-07-2007 at 02:20:40 PM
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Ok, I looked up 8600GTS, this one caught my eye http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814127284, but where do i plug the fan in (i.e. psu, mb?)? Also i read some of the reviews and people were saying to use the 3 prong plug instead of 4 for a quieter running fan, so that confused me more. Again, thanks for the help.

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evongugg   11-08-2007 at 01:42:03 PM
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On the back of the unit, there is a six pin power connection. Connect the six pin pci-express connection from your power supply to there.

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wmtp03   11-08-2007 at 03:36:40 PM
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Ironside wrote :

Ok, I looked up 8600GTS, this one caught my eye http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814127284, but where do i plug the fan in (i.e. psu, mb?)? Also i read some of the reviews and people were saying to use the 3 prong plug instead of 4 for a quieter running fan, so that confused me more. Again, thanks for the help.



The fan header is on the video card, so you just plug the 4 prong or 3 prong (both are attached) plug into it. It's powered by motherboard (there is a PCIe six pin slot on the edge that you should connect too, but curiously, it works just fine without it).

With that said, I used this card briefly before I RMAd the sucker and ponied up for the 8800, and let me tell you...that MSI 8600GTS is LOUD. It was so loud it overpowered all the other sounds in my case--I couldn't even hear the hard drive. It will improve a bit if you use the 3 prong plug (which slows down the fan), but the biggest fundamental flaw is that there is no onboard fan control. It's either on or off. I don't know why the Newegg reviews are so glowing. That card blew.


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evongugg   11-08-2007 at 05:40:10 PM
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You need to plug in the power from the power supply on the six pin header. If not, you could destroy the card.

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wmtp03   11-08-2007 at 06:52:27 PM
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I'm not recommending that you leave it disconnected for the hell of it, I just mentioned it in passing. But it's not likely to "destroy" the card.

"Interestingly enough the nVIDIA drivers do not complain when the MSI NX8600GTS-T2D256E-OC extra power is not connected and it doesn't seem to affect 3D performance either. 3DMark05/06 scores and FEAR framerates were the same no matter if the six pin power cable was connected or not. Still, better be safe and plug it in."

http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=2105

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Ironside   11-09-2007 at 03:40:20 PM
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If you cant tell by now, Im a complete nub at this stuff. Im gonna get the MSI 8600GTS. Is there a place on the mother board to plug it in or do I have to use the power cable that comes with it and plug them into the PSU. Also, if I plug it inot the psu connectors, do I just plug them into any available 3-pin connectors?

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lunyone   11-09-2007 at 06:41:31 PM
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The 3 pin connectors would connect up to an available connection on the mobo. These are usually labeled a chasis fan or something like that. Check your mobo manual to see where you can plug it into. Part of the reason I spend a bit more on a good mobo, is that I'll have sufficient fan connections to plug into. These fan connections allow your mobo to control the fan speeds (if necessary) when the temperatures change (hot or cold).
The 6 pin power connector, that should be connected to the GPU, will take 2 4-pin power connectors (usually needed to power your DVD/CD/HD's) to make up a 6-pin connector. If your buying a retail version GPU, usually they have this converter cable (usually in a y format) in the box.

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wmtp03   11-09-2007 at 07:52:20 PM
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lunyone wrote :

The 3 pin connectors would connect up to an available connection on the mobo. These are usually labeled a chasis fan or something like that. Check your mobo manual to see where you can plug it into. Part of the reason I spend a bit more on a good mobo, is that I'll have sufficient fan connections to plug into. These fan connections allow your mobo to control the fan speeds (if necessary) when the temperatures change (hot or cold).
The 6 pin power connector, that should be connected to the GPU, will take 2 4-pin power connectors (usually needed to power your DVD/CD/HD's) to make up a 6-pin connector. If your buying a retail version GPU, usually they have this converter cable (usually in a y format) in the box.



This is incorrect. The fan plugs right into the header on the board.

http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/im.p [...] 0gts0c.jpg

It does not have a temperature sensor either, so it won't automatically control fan speed. You can't control it manually with Nvidia Control Panel either, though I didn't bother trying RivaTuner. It's either off or on at 100% unless you connect the 3-pin connector and then it runs at about 80% all the time.


Message edited by wmtp03 on 11-09-2007 at 07:56:50 PM
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kpo6969   11-09-2007 at 08:03:59 PM
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Ironside wrote :

Ok, I looked up 8600GTS, this one caught my eye http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814127284, but where do i plug the fan in (i.e. psu, mb?)? Also i read some of the reviews and people were saying to use the 3 prong plug instead of 4 for a quieter running fan, so that confused me more. Again, thanks for the help.


That's a dual-slot card just so you know.

------------------------------ P35-DS3L Rev 2 bios F9C l E8400 @ 3.6Ghz @ 1.232v l OCZ Vendetta 2 /LGA775 Bolt-Thru l 4GB G.Skill 8800PI@1000mhz 4:5 @ 1.87v l WD3200AAKS 320GB l Evga 8800GTS 512 l X-Fi Xtreme Music l Corsair HX520 l Antec Sonata III 500 l Vista32 SP2 l Win7 X64 7600
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