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Is the G92 based on 112 or 128 shader units?

Total: 12 votes (2 blank votes)

  • It is based upon 128 with 16 laser-cut for the GT, leaving nVidia "overhead" for a GTS model.
  • 90 %
  • It is based on 112, leaving nVidia NO "overhead" for a GTS model.
  • 10 %
November 7, 2007 9:02:31 AM

One Internet Blogger I read recently claimed that the new G92 platform is actually based upon 112 shader units and NOT 128 like every other 8800 card ever made!. I suppose he thinks this because the GT is just 112 shaders.

He believes that for some reason, nVidia has changed their entire manufacturing model and instead of going 128 and laser-cutting 16 for the GT, thus leaving themselves 16 "overhead" for a Christmas GTS Model, they decided on 112 in 7 groups instead of 8! He claims the G92 GTS, if there even IS one, will just have slightly better vram and a factory OC and that's it - no extra shader units!

Personally, I think this is nuts. What do you think?

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December 1, 2007 10:40:39 PM

Dude, you are in all likelyhood correct about the 128 SPUs, but take a pill and calm down. The big Ape goofed, so what? You never made a mistake before? Like many smart folks he is having trouble computing that he probably made a mistake. Smart folks are accustom to being correct most of the time so when we make a boo boo it can be hard for us to accept. The smarter the person is the more pronounced this effect can be. Fortunately I'm only a little smart so I have no problems admitting when I'm wrong.
December 1, 2007 11:05:04 PM

There are already reviews of the 8800 GTS 512 (based on the G92 core) online and they show 128SP.
December 1, 2007 11:11:58 PM

Your both wrong, its based off of a newly designed UPC.

The UPC dramatically increases efficiency compared to the dated SPUs and ROPs. This leads to more frames per hour and less heat in your bowels (because of its single slot cooler!).


(UPC=Universal Poop Core.)
December 1, 2007 11:50:59 PM

lakedude,

The "big ape" thoroughly abused me, calling me "childish" and my thread a "train wreck" for even suggesting 128 SP. He made out that anyone who payed any attention to "Fudzilla" was a drooling moron. That is why he is paying the price now.

I never pick fights, but if you throw the first punch, you better be ready to bring it.
December 2, 2007 12:03:12 AM

Right, I get it and I don't disagree on any point. Still, what good does it do to make such a big deal about it? Anyone that cares can read what has been said and judge for themselves. You already have several posts on this same subject. One post to gloat is OK, but you don't need to keep harping on the issue.



December 2, 2007 12:24:43 AM

First, calm down.

Second, find some sources and give him the links so he can read it himself. If he still doesn't believe you, forget it for now and the when the card is released with 128 SP you can take it up with him again.
December 2, 2007 8:52:57 AM

Its basically a die shrink of G80 with a few new features added in, but the 128SP's with some disabled still works, it would seem that shaders are also locked with texture units and the bus idth is locked with rops.


So when we have 112SP's on 8800GT we get 28TMU's.
GTX on the other hand has 128SP's to 32TMU's.

Based on those figures, 16SP's is 4TMU's. Funilly enough, that means on GTX tehre are 8 activated and on the GT there are 7.

Same with ROPS and memory bus.
GT has 16rops and 256bit, thats 4x 64bit.
16/4 is 4.

GTX has 24rops and 384bit, thats 6x 64bit.
24/6 is 4.


All this works out exactly right with the old 8800GTS too btw, it simply has one more of the 2nd configuration with rops and bus unlocked and one more tmu/shader conbination locked.


If ya understand that, thats how it works :D 


On the fudzilla thing, they have said some whacky things in the past but I find that usually they DO correct their mistakes, so basically they dont tell you something then leave you hanging if they are wrong they will display what htey next heard.
December 2, 2007 9:16:06 AM

Hatman said:

On the fudzilla thing, they have said some whacky things in teh past btu I find that usually they DO correct thereselves or change the story, so basically they dnt tell you something then leave you hanging if they are wrong they will display what htey next heard....Message edited by Hatman on 12-02-2007 at 11:54:53 AM
Have you been drinking? Did you edit your post to make it better or worse? :pt1cable: 
December 2, 2007 9:34:55 AM

I dont have the patience to put up with sado's with nothing better to do then point out typos, its pathetic.

Try adding something people may want to read, rather then rubbish.
a b U Graphics card
December 2, 2007 4:50:29 PM

mitchellvii said:
lakedude,
The "big ape" thoroughly abused me, calling me "childish" and my thread a "train wreck" for even suggesting 128 SP. He made out that anyone who payed any attention to "Fudzilla" was a drooling moron. That is why he is paying the price now.


Paying the price now?
Notice this thread is over 2 weeks old with no participation, and the only people to contribute to it do it after they launched the 112 SPU G80 and then previews trickle in of the G92.

And you lie about why I said your thread was train wreck, I said it because you went all over the place talking about DX10.1 forcing cards to run 4X AA, then including OLEDs and Holodecks as reasons it doesn't matter, etc.

As for childish, that was about your reaction to things, which is exactly what it was.

Quote:
I never pick fights, but if you throw the first punch, you better be ready to bring it.


I brought it, and you still didn't do anyting to support it, no $300 GTS-128 by Dec 3rd and not even by Xmas would they be in stock/available at that price, that's where I said you were dreaming.

So you've got one more day for part A, and I doubt I'll have to worry about part B either, but you can keep dreaming.
December 4, 2007 1:33:54 AM

Hatman said:
I dont have the patience to put up with sado's with nothing better to do then point out typos, its pathetic.

Try adding something people may want to read, rather then rubbish.
I'll tell you what is pathetic, your spelling/typos but somehow only in the last paragraph. I'm world's worst speller so if I notice that your spelling is off something is pretty serious.

As fas as all that goes I figured you typed the main body of your post sober, got drunk, and edited in the last paragraph after you were totally ripped.

Sorry if I assumed incorrectly. I was hoping for a good story about your fun night out on the town chasing women and getting hammered.
December 4, 2007 6:09:33 AM

According to X-BIT LABS the new 8800GTS will indeed only have 112 shaders, here is a small quote-

"while the GeForce 8800 GTS will be replaced with an updated version that has 112 active shader processors to fill in the gap"

You can find this in the conclusion their review of the leadtek 8800GT here---
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/leadtek-...
And based on other things I've heard, it does sound like it'll be 112. I hope it is 128, but either way does it matter? Just as long as it performs over an ultra, it'll do what it was supposed to do.


Great grape ape abused you? maybe... I don't know, I would certainly hope not though... However, what you are doing here isn't much better is it? Especially since you might actually be wrong yet! :heink: 

When the new 8800GTS comes out and is benched, and I see the editors mention it has 112 shaders.... I will remember you and your claims mitchellvii.. Your story will remind me in my life, why it is never good to shout WOLF unless you know for sure there is a wolf! :D 


Now amidst this ridiculous fight, another even more ridiculous fight broke out between 2 other members!!!


HATMAN--- I don't think lakedude meant it in a mean way, I think he was just joking around.

Lakedude--- People don't really like it when others point out grammar or spelling errors.

Now everybody shut the fudge up and go to hell, I am trying to watch TV here! :D  :D  :D 




December 4, 2007 6:53:03 AM

mitchellvii said:
lakedude,...The "big ape" thoroughly abused me...


The people wish to know EXACTLY where he touched you.
December 4, 2007 11:22:54 AM

skittle.....
It was a cold winter night. There was fresh snow on the ground and a crisp smell of Pine in the air. Mitchellvii was on his way home from a long day at the Dildo factory. It was a night like any other, with plans to eat his McDonalds and watch TV. He was sure to be alone, as he was a closet Homosexual, and would not even admit it to himself. You could compair him to Mr. Garrison, before he thought he had molested by his father, when it fact, it was by Kenny G., by I digress. The lonely nights had started to get to him more lately, and no longer wanted to pay for Trany Strett Hookers. He had just unrapped his double quarter pounder, when he heard a sound out side of the door. "whos there" Mitchellvii called out, but there was no answer. Again he heard a noise, but it quickly fled from his ears. He grabbed his gun and a his bottle of Sex-o-lube. He crept cautiously and quietly to the door. When he was just at the entry way, he heard a voice. "Hello, I sell grapes". Michellvii knew this was the man of his dreams. He let the man in and asked if he had a sample of the grapes he sold. "No, but I do have some nuts you could taste". Mitchellvii knew that the man of his dreams had finally come. Mitchellvii riped of his cloths and lubed his self up, and yelled, "take me you Ape, take what you want!!". The winter nights quickly heated up, and just when things were about to come to fruition, Mitchellvii's father came into the room. Mitchellvii had not come out to his father. Not wanting to admitt that he was a Flaming Homosexual, he yelled, "help father, this man is raping me, he is "thoroughly abusing me!!"".

And so is the story of how the "big ape" thoroughly abused Mitchellvii
December 4, 2007 1:33:29 PM

That was a fun read.
December 4, 2007 1:52:35 PM

skittle said:
The people wish to know EXACTLY where he touched you.


Please tell the jury if it hurts when you pee...
December 4, 2007 4:50:14 PM

If there any other back stories that anyone wants to know, let me know and ill tell you a little tale. Youll love the one about when cleeve went to the all girl college "Beaver Tech" as a guest speaker. Its a story for the whole family
December 4, 2007 5:27:49 PM

mitchellvii said:
lakedude,

The "big ape" thoroughly abused me, calling me "childish" and my thread a "train wreck" for even suggesting 128 SP. He made out that anyone who payed any attention to "Fudzilla" was a drooling moron. That is why he is paying the price now.

I never pick fights, but if you throw the first punch, you better be ready to bring it.


I still don't know how many SP's the gts will have, but he sure was right about you beeing childish.
December 4, 2007 5:35:08 PM

128 would be cool.
December 4, 2007 6:55:10 PM

Can i just reiterate something i heard a couple of years ago:

Arguing over the internet is like running in the special olympics. Even if you win, you're still a retard.
December 4, 2007 7:57:07 PM

Is arguing face to face better?
December 4, 2007 8:00:28 PM

Yep. Then punching is an option.
December 4, 2007 8:43:03 PM

cleeve said:
Yep. Then punching is an option.
:o  :lol: 
December 5, 2007 7:17:04 AM

smartel7070 said:
I also would like to believe the 8800 g92 will have 128 su but it does not appear to be the case. I found this on gpureview.com ... http://www.gpureview.com/geforce-8800-gts-512mb-card-548.html ... now I do not know if those numbers are definitive but usually gpureview only posts specs when they are confirmed.

That's the 1st # for the SP I've seen anywhere for the GTS.
So the difference between the GT and GTS is what? stock clocks? besides the cooler that is
December 5, 2007 10:21:27 AM

And the smell.
December 5, 2007 3:24:43 PM

The GPU review thing is wrong, there has been a picture of teh gigabyte box I believe leaked and it sais on the box it has 128.
December 6, 2007 8:28:16 PM

The one thing i don't understand - why the hell is it still going to be called the 8800gts? Surely the 8900 would be a much better name and save much confusion for the average consumer?

Then again, the average consumer is stupid. I have a friend who bought a laptop with an 8400gs that he insists is better than a 7900gt because it is a higher number....
December 6, 2007 8:31:50 PM

I'm with you there, Quantum.

8800 GT should have been the 8900 GT.

8800 GTS ver 2.0 should have been the 8900 GTS...

Having said that, I'm pretty sure I know WHY that didn't happen; Nvidia didn't want to completely devalue their current high-end 8800 GTS, GTX and Ultra...
December 6, 2007 9:21:07 PM

I'm pretty sure they're going to release a GTX by february
December 7, 2007 12:30:46 AM

my god this is petty.
December 7, 2007 11:12:33 AM

If you dont like pettyness, then its better if you just didnt read fourms.
December 7, 2007 11:35:58 AM

realibrad said:
If you dont like pettyness, then its better if you just didnt read fourms.


Actually, it's spelt 'pettiness'.
December 7, 2007 3:42:26 PM

Yeah i have a bit of a spelling problem, these things happen I suppose. I think it has to do with growing up around people who spoke spanish, but who knows. Anyway, lets either just let the thread die, or hijack it, cause i dont think anyone really cares anymore.
December 7, 2007 3:45:03 PM

Leaving things to die isn't very nice, my Mother would be ashamed of me.
December 7, 2007 3:48:27 PM

Well, would that make her a hypocrite?
I dont mean that, i just thought it was funny.
a c 143 U Graphics card
December 7, 2007 4:13:44 PM

This is a hardware forum, but I think I'll throw in a little non-hardware advice for Mitchellvii, just because I am a bleeding heart and can't stand to watch him suffer so much:

DUDE, GROW UP! With this attitude you'll have a lot of trouble getting and keeping girlfriends, friends, jobs. You trusted an unreliable source, it happened to be correct this time, you win, congrats. Keep doing that, you won't win in the long run.

And another thing: please don't make us choose between you and the Ape. Your track record is 100% (you tried once, and you were ALWAYS right), his is probably only 99% (he tried 15000 times, he was ALMOST ALWAYS right). Guess which one I'd rather trust next time...
December 7, 2007 4:16:40 PM

ethel said:
Actually, it's spelt 'pettiness'.


lol. Irony award! :sol: 
December 7, 2007 4:20:26 PM

The Apes of this forum have earned their reputations by consistently providing the rest of us (I'm in that group!) with accurate, unbiased information. We are ALL better off for them participating. If they say something that causes your feelings get hurt, odds are the problem is with you. It's just computer hardware and software... no reason to get your feelings hurt over something so petty. If by some remote chance they are wrong, politely point it out and provide some hard evidence to support your claim. Ape has home-field advantage so all undecided calls are going against you.
December 7, 2007 6:04:06 PM

well dont for get that ape pretty thoroughly sodomized the poor little fella.
December 7, 2007 7:24:28 PM

Only because he dropped his pants, stuck his bare arse in the air, and started talking out of it.
December 7, 2007 11:02:04 PM

aevm said:

And another thing: please don't make us choose between you and the Ape. Your track record is 100% (you tried once, and you were ALWAYS right), his is probably only 99% (he tried 15000 times, he was ALMOST ALWAYS right). Guess which one I'd rather trust next time...
Yep, excellent point.
December 8, 2007 2:38:13 PM

The_Abyss said:
Only because he dropped his pants, stuck his bare arse in the air, and started talking out of it.


Exactly.
December 9, 2007 9:43:44 AM

cleeve said:
lol. Irony award! :sol: 


Thanks, although I think RealiBrad thinks I was being serious :) 
December 9, 2007 11:09:31 AM

only serious in the fact that i spelled it wrong, not that you were throwing it in my face. i did the the irony. Is your avatar from the old doom game?
a b U Graphics card
December 9, 2007 11:35:15 AM

rodney_ws said:
The Apes of this forum have earned their reputations by consistently providing the rest of us (I'm in that group!) with accurate, unbiased information. We are ALL better off for them participating. If they say something that causes your feelings get hurt, odds are the problem is with you. It's just computer hardware and software... no reason to get your feelings hurt over something so petty. If by some remote chance they are wrong, politely point it out and provide some hard evidence to support your claim. Ape has home-field advantage so all undecided calls are going against you.

The depth of this thread was so deep, even a cave.... oh hell, who !#$%^*((^&%%^&*&$%))_)(^#$#%!()()^^%#^%%*&&$^&$ cares? :o  :o  :sol: 
December 9, 2007 12:43:46 PM

Well it seems the card is bottlenecked by lack of rops and lack of bandwidth since it does only about 10% better then an 8800GT.
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