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November 3, 2007 8:33:44 AM

I apologize but I am a Newb on New Builds. I have studied the forums for days and think I did a good job on picking all the parts I want for my new system, but the only thing I am really struggling with is the PSU. The system won't be used for gaming but heavy multitasking and a descent size single database. I won't be doing any overclocking now but something I am open to down the road, but it won't be anything serious. Eventually I will be upgrading to DDR3 memory. Outside of that no major changes for now unless someone recommends more cooling in another post I have http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/244715-29-question-cooling-build. Could someone please suggest a good PSU for my configuration? I don't mind spending a couple of extra pennies to have a quality PSU.

Intel Duo Core 2 E6850
Asus P5K Deluxe/WiFi-AP Intel P35 Chipset
Crucial Ballistic Tracer w/Led DDR2 PC2-8500 4x1Gig
WD Raptor SATA HD 150GB (OS)
WD Caviar SE16 SATA HD 750GB
Lite-On Black 20xDVD+DVD+R 2MB Cache SATA DVD Burner w/ Light Scribe
NVIDIA GeForce 8800GT
Antec 900
Artic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro

Thanks

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November 3, 2007 11:59:45 AM

The minimum for an 8800gt pc would be 425W 28A on +12v rails. If you get the exact psu, you will have to upgrade the psu when you upgrade your video. So get a bigger one. For a single card, 450-550w (in case you upgrade to more powerful video). For the best quality, get the tier 1:

http://www.tomswiki.com/page/Tiered+PSU+Listings?t=anon
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November 3, 2007 12:12:35 PM

The Artic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro is an excellent economy cooler but if you are going for more than a moderate C2D overclock or are OC'ing a C2Q at all, you will need a better HSF.
November 3, 2007 12:37:57 PM

AnUnQuietMind said:
I apologize but I am a Newb on New Builds. I have studied the forums for days and think I did a good job on picking all the parts I want for my new system, but the only thing I am really struggling with is the PSU. The system won't be used for gaming but heavy multitasking and a descent size single database. I won't be doing any overclocking now but something I am open to down the road, but it won't be anything serious. Eventually I will be upgrading to DDR3 memory. Outside of that no major changes for now unless someone recommends more cooling in another post I have http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/244715-29-question-cooling-build. Could someone please suggest a good PSU for my configuration? I don't mind spending a couple of extra pennies to have a quality PSU.

Intel Duo Core 2 E6850
Asus P5K Deluxe/WiFi-AP Intel P35 Chipset
Crucial Ballistic Tracer w/Led DDR2 PC2-8500 4x1Gig
WD Raptor SATA HD 150GB (OS)
WD Caviar SE16 SATA HD 750GB
Lite-On Black 20xDVD+DVD+R 2MB Cache SATA DVD Burner w/ Light Scribe
NVIDIA GeForce 8800GT
Antec 900
Artic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro

Thanks


If you are not going to game, the 8800GT is not really a great choice since this will be a server type build.
If really no gaming, Something like a 7600GS would be even better with a 30-40w power savings.

While price is not a concern, this means less heat in the case, less cooling, and less noise.
Then if you ever want to OC, this will make OCing the system easier since it will be easier to cool your CPU with a cooler case.

Also, I would seriously consider the Q6600. The xtra cores would really help with multi-tasking.

The PSU should not be a big concern.
The two biggest power draws are the GPU and CPU.
Your CPU has a TDP of about 90w.
Your GPU should use less than about 120w
This would be 210w

Your HDDs, RAM, CDRom, and Mobo combinded woud leave power usage well under 300w.
This would only be when gaming with the 8800GT. Not gaming would drop peak use under 250w.

There are a number of very nice PSUs in the 400w+ Range that would suit you.
The Corsair 450w and the PC Power and Cooling 470w are great chioces.
Both efficient and top notch quality.

You may want to see if your software is available at 64-bit.
This could make Vista and 8Gb of RAM a consideration.

You will also need a 2nd HDD for Databackups.
You may be better served by (2) 750gb HDDs to so you can backup data back to your boot drive if necessary.
November 3, 2007 1:27:48 PM

I'm with Zen ^^^

If you're not gaming, there is absolutely NO REASON for the 8800GT.

Drop the 8800GT, pick up an 8500GT and add the savings to get the Q6600.

Since you're not overclocking, the Tracer RAM is also overkill. Just stick with Ballistix DDR2-800 at $50 per 2gb.

Make the above changes, and the Corsair 450 is perfect for your build at $62:
http://www.buy.com/prod/corsair-vx-450w-power-supply/q/...
November 3, 2007 9:15:16 PM

Good catch. I thought it was a gaming build. Drop 8800GT & replace cpu with Q6600. If no overclocking, get any brand name 667-800mhz ram. Yes, the 450W is more than plenty for non gaming.
November 4, 2007 1:58:51 AM

This has kind of taken a life of it's own in two different threads, so I am using the information in both threads and posting this in both. It is also running in "New Build" http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/246150-31-comments-build-please

After your suggestions and further education I have made the appropriate changes, but still have some additional questions also. Here is where I am at:

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 2.4Ghz BX80562Q6600
ThermalRight Ultra 120 Extreme
Asus P5K Deluxe/WiFi - AP (P35 Chipset)
Antec 900
PSU Silencer 610 EPS12V
NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT
Thermalight HR-03GT (Cooler for Video)
Crucial Ballistic DDR2 PC2 - 6400 2GB(1GBX2) BL2KIT12864AA804
(Two) WD Caviar SE16 SATA HD 750GB, 3 GB/s, 16MB Cache, 7200 RPM
Lite-On Black 20xDVD+R 2MB Cache SATA DVD Burner w/ Light Scribe #LH-20A1L


And to further break it down into questions:

  • Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 2.4Ghz BX80562Q6600

  • Should I spend the extra to get the Q6700 at 2.66Ghz? http://compare.intel.com/pcc/showchart.aspx?mmID=891046,885492&familyID=1&culture=en-US

  • ThermalRight Ultra 120 Extreme

  • A couple of people suggested to go with a higher end cooler so I came up with a couple here. However I am concerned if on whether they work with side mounted motherboards like in the Antec 900? Can you put coolers this big horizontally without causing stress or problems on the CPU? Will they fit in the Antec 900? Are any of these other coolers better?
    Antec 900 http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=15900#
    Thermalight Extreme http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835109140&Tpk=thermalight%2bextreme" target="_blank">http://img.tomshardware.com/forum/uk/icones/message/puc...
    Scythe "NINJA PLUS Rev.B" http://www.scythe-usa.com/product/cpu/026/scnj1100p.html
    Tuniq Tower 120 http://www.tuniq.com.tw/Cooler%20Info/Tower-120LFB.htm
    Zalman CNPS9700 http://www.zalman.co.kr/eng/product/view.asp?idx=229&code=009

  • Asus P5K Deluxe/WiFi - AP (P35 Chipset)


  • Antec 900


  • PSU Silencer 610 EPS12V

  • The Silencer seems to come up a lot in Tier 1 PSU's and has gotten great reviews. The Corsair has as well. I am still a little confused on what size because there has been a couple of recommendations from 450w up to 650w. I actually just used http://www.extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine calculator and with all of my components and fans it gave me a total of 538w. I guess it is safe to assume the Silencer 610 EPS will be enough?
    http://www.pcpower.com/products/vi [...] how=S61EPS

  • NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT

  • Everyone has said to drop the 8800 all together. I should explain that I chose it because it was the best bang for the buck for an overall high performance card. I am planning on setting up a 24" monitor, and possibly things like TV out, and maybe even get a second card down the road to utilize crossfire and do HD on it. I just wanted to have the option to do a little bit of anything on it. I am not trying to be argumentative, just explaining where my head was. However, if you still don't think this is the card for me then please point it out. Cutting costs isn't so much an issue with me, but having something that I will completely never use its full potential is pointless.

  • Thermalight HR-03GT (Cooler for Video)


  • Crucial Ballistic DDR2 PC2 - 6400 2GB(1GBX2) BL2KIT12864AA804

  • I have changed the memory to 800 now that I understand the motherboard doesn't really use 1066.
    Should I change the memory config to 2GBx2?
    Should I change it to Consair memory or another brand?
    Again cheap isn't in my vocabulary. I might want the option to explore overclocking later but not by much. However, I do want top of the line memory in here that will allow me to not really upgrade anytime in the near future, except to 8GB if I find value in it.
    And yes I am thinking Vista if I find out most of my apps are compliant, or XP 64 if need be. So I can do the 4 Meg.

  • (Two) WD Caviar SE16 SATA HD 750GB, 3 GB/s, 16MB Cache, 7200 RPM

  • I did drop the Raptor and will have two of these drives now. It was suggested in another thread to do it also and backup my storage drive to the OS drive. This makes sense but I wonder if having such a large drive for the OS I will lose performance. I guess I should partition the OS drive and have OS on smaller partition and backup on the rest huh?

  • Lite-On Black 20xDVD+R 2MB Cache SATA DVD Burner w/ Light Scribe #LH-20A1L


  • Someone mentioned this being a server build and I should point out that it isn't exactly that. It is a system that I will be utilizing for a little bit of everything. I don't know exactly what direction I am going with it all but it is for personal use, somewhat business, and I want the ability for it to do just about anything I need. I play poker fulltime online and that is its primary purpose. I pretty much live on my system and it is very important plus valuable to me.

    Okay...sorry for being so long, so many questions, but I just want to make sure I get everything right the first time. Please fire away with any thoughts, questions, concerns, or anything you can possibly think of! I really am grateful to you all!

    Oh yea...one last question...which of you is going to come over and help me build this when we get it finalized?!?!? J/K LMAO
    !