I like the xion 600w supernova at newegg for about $70 after rebate and free shipping. It has a 140mm side fan for removing warm air around the cpu. The 2 12v rails are listed as 21 and 22 amps. If you want to spend more, corsair and seasonic are premium brands, and pc power and cooling is top of the line.
For dual 8800s I wouldn't settle for anything less than a good quality 600w unit, 750w to be safe. Here's a couple of top rated options, pricey, but you get what you pay for. Remember, Newegg doesn't have the best prices on PSUs so shop around a little and you might save a few bucks.
I would add the Thermaltake Toughpower series as well. Its rated well in the tier listings and a TT 750 was rated equal to the PC P&C 750 by jonnyguru. There are a number of good PSUs around, you just have to check the teir listings and then read the reviews on the individual units to figure out what you want. Jonnyguru found the PC P&C a bit loud, but the TT 750 had what he called an annoying buzz, for instance.
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The Tiered PSU list is a great resource for comparing power supplies, but I wouldn't be citing it as fact. It is ultimately a collection of opinions, and should be treated as such.
The Tiered PSU list is a great resource for comparing power supplies, but I wouldn't be citing it as fact. It is ultimately a collection of opinions, and should be treated as such.
True, but the people that had input in putting it together are significantly more familiar with PSUs than the average person. The list of contributers/ editors includes jonnyGURU and I think he knows what he is talking about. Also the list evolves and is corrected and changed based on input. It may not be perfect but it is still the best guide available currently. I do wish it had more entries, but considering the work on it is free you can't really expect any more than you get. I wouldn't buy any PSU that was ranked as a tier 5, or 4 for that matter.
Are you saying that the XION is a good PSU and should be recommended even though it is ranked as a tier 5.
True, but the people that had input in putting it together are significantly more familiar with PSUs than the average person. The list of contributers/ editors includes jonnyGURU and I think he knows what he is talking about. Also the list evolves and is corrected and changed based on input. It may not be perfect but it is still the best guide available currently. I do wish it had more entries, but considering the work on it is free you can't really expect any more than you get. I wouldn't buy any PSU that was ranked as a tier 5, or 4 for that matter.
Are you saying that the XION is a good PSU and should be recommended even though it is ranked as a tier 5.
Totally agree with Zorg here. It may not be the most accurate, but where can you disprove it? Yes a Tier 5 PSU "might" be able to power up an 8800gtx, but will it hold for more than 6 mo? will it only damage itself when it goes? Does it have a very small 12v ripple on it? Do you want a $70 PSU powering 2 8800gtx's at a cost of >$1000? Does the Xion have a 3 yr. warranty or more? These are things that you must consider. I'm not an expert, but I use jonnyguru's list to try and make an educated decision. There are lots of people making input on the list (more qualified people than me) and I'd trust it more than some things.
Here is an example of what to expect on some 400-450w PSU's:
http://www.anandtech.com/casecooli [...] spx?i=3146 If you look at the build quality of all of the PSU's in that test, you'll see what were talking about as far as the Corsair brand. The Ultra's IMO are a piece of crap, but you can decide if you want that kind of quality or not.
The Tiered PSU list is a great resource for comparing power supplies, but I wouldn't be citing it as fact. It is ultimately a collection of opinions, and should be treated as such.
Maybe the tiering can't be cited as fact, but it is the experience of many people with a whole lot of knowledge about PSUs. True enough, a PC P&C can fail, and an Aspire might hold up for years, but such things are exceptions to the rule. I also agree with what Zorg had to say. Further, I won't buy anything less then a tier 2 PSU. I don't think its worth the headache. Beyond that, what I can't figure out is why so many people are willing to spend hundreds of dollars on a graphics card, but unwilling to spend a hundred or two on a good PSU.
The PSU is the heart of a computer. Without it, nothing works. If it fails, it can take everything down with it. To me, its not worth the gamble. I'd much rather spend a couple hundred dollars getting a PSU that's bigger than I need then to try to get by on the cheapest, barely enough power type PSU that I can find. If nothing else, I don't like the idea of buying a cheap PSU and then having to replace it, costing me even more money.
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I use a True Power 550W in my old build with no problem. I did go through a bod OCZ game extreme and Coolmaster before I found my True Power 550w. I recently purchased the 650W Trio True Power from Buy.com.
See if the deal is still going.
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$30 Rebate
70 after rebate.
If you plan on running 2x 8800GTX's I got a quick question for you: Do you already have a case for this build? If not, you might want to go with a case that has a dual PSU setup like the Antec P190. It also comes equipped with both PSU's and it seems a lot of people like Antec PSU's. That way you could have each GTX powered by a separate PSU. But I'd recommend getting 2x 8800GT's instead just for the price/perfomance difference and the GT's wouldn't kill you on power as much as the GTX's.
Or if you can wait, people keep saying the new N92 based 8800GTS is supposed to spank the current GTX.
If you plan on running 2x 8800GTX's I got a quick question for you: Do you already have a case for this build? If not, you might want to go with a case that has a dual PSU setup like the Antec P190. It also comes equipped with both PSU's and it seems a lot of people like Antec PSU's. That way you could have each GTX powered by a separate PSU. But I'd recommend getting 2x 8800GT's instead just for the price/perfomance difference and the GT's wouldn't kill you on power as much as the GTX's.
Or if you can wait, people keep saying the new N92 based 8800GTS is supposed to spank the current GTX.
In my opinion he would be better served by a single rail PSU than two PSUs e.g., Silencer 750 etc.
Don't get me wrong, I fully understand the importance of a good PSU; I was just pointing out the fact that the tiered list isn't perfect. For instance, I can't find the Corsair VX or TX series on it, and those are some of the best power supplies out there. Aside from these and a few other notable omissions I think the ranking is spot-on.
To the OP: I would go with Zorg's advice and get a PSU with a single 12V rail such as the Corsair TX series that I mentioned above.
In my opinion he would be better served by a single rail PSU than two PSUs e.g., Silencer 750 etc.
Another vote for the PC P&C Silencer 750 Quad. I read an awful lot of PSU reviews before I bought mine... It's a bad idea to skimp on the PSU and put your $1200 video cards at risk.
And by the way, it's not making any sense to buy 8800 Ultra cards.
Get overclocked GTXs instead (BFG 8800 GTX OC2, eVGA 8800 GTX ACS3, etc.), save $200 on each card, get almost the same performance.
With 8800GT cards you save much more, and you'd only see a performance drop in things like Crysis at 1920x1200. That's also a good option, depending on your games and screen resolution. Look for benchmarks before you decide.
Don't get me wrong, I fully understand the importance of a good PSU; I was just pointing out the fact that the tiered list isn't perfect. For instance, I can't find the Corsair VX or TX series on it, and those are some of the best power supplies out there. Aside from these and a few other notable omissions I think the ranking is spot-on.
I agree with you, More entries would be nice as I said in this quote.
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I do wish it had more entries, but considering the work on it is free you can't really expect any more than you get.
There are a lot of PSUs in the list. What I would do for the Corsair is notice that the only corsair (HX) is a tier 2. That is an indication, but certainly not a guarantee that the VX and TX would be good as well. So you continue on the quest to determine how good they are. It is an excellent guide to draw quick conclusions from. Should it be your only stop? Of course not, but if your PSU is in tier 5, or IMO tier4, stop looking at it and find another.
What bothers me, as you can see from my above post, is that people look for advice and others recommend a PSU that is clearly substandard. Unlike oldie, they insist that the PSU is top quality. This makes it hard for someone that doesn't know what's going on to make an informed decision. You call the poster on the bad advice and they discount the list and insist that the junk PSU in question is awesome and is a good buy. We all have our preferred brands and we do defend them with zeal. My preference is PC Power & Cooling and I am guilty of this. All I want is that if you are going to recommend a PSU, at least make sure that it is tier 3 or better. Or if it isn't on the list that it's sibling is is tier 3 or better.
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If a PSU is on the list and it is tier 4 or lower, approach with caution.
If it is tier 3 or higher it's probably a safe bet.
If it is not on the list either look for a close match to it that is on the list or do your own research.
And never buy a xion
If a PSU is on the list and it is tier 4 or lower, approach with caution. If it is tier 3 or higher it's probably a safe bet. If it is not on the list either look for a close match to it that is on the list or do your own research. And never buy a xion
I agree, with one exception. If it's tier 4 or lower, don't approach. That's just my opinion.
There are plenty of tier 3 PSUs out there that are on sale, making a tier 4 or 5 choice needless and foolhardy.
I agree, with one exception. If it's tier 4 or lower, don't approach. That's just my opinion.
There are plenty of tier 3 PSUs out there that are on sale, making a tier 4 or 5 choice needless and foolhardy.
Totally agree with Zorg. Through my years worth of research and personal experience, I'd have to say the guide is pretty accurate. I haven't bought and used all of the manufacturers, but from my experience, it was pretty close.
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