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ATI 3870 Benchmarks in VR-Zone Forums

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November 9, 2007 6:24:56 PM


http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=202510

Low temps, Low power, 7% less performance than 8800GT at stock settings ("In comparison, 3870 scored 11669 while 8800GT scored 12495"). Overclocked, beats a stock 8800GT (12961).
November 9, 2007 7:04:21 PM

..... man i just dont get amd/ati sometimes, why are making it seem as if they are moving into their next gen series of cards when in fact this is not next gen at all, its just a reboot of their current generation of cards. they could have easily called it the 2950 pro or something
November 9, 2007 7:16:13 PM

Looks good, though I doubt I'm going to be in the position to buy anything until after R700 comes out, so it's not the card for me...but I knew that, anyway.

That makes the 3870 ATi's fastest card, right?
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November 9, 2007 7:17:38 PM

Eviltwin17 said:
..... man i just dont get amd/ati sometimes, why are making it seem as if they are moving into their next gen series of cards when in fact this is not next gen at all, its just a reboot of their current generation of cards. they could have easily called it the 2950 pro or something


The 3850 is a die-shrink of the 2900xt, and the 3870 is a new series GPU. It would be silly to call the new one a 2950.
November 9, 2007 7:20:05 PM

Hmm, bungholio marks, let's see some game benchmarks!
November 9, 2007 7:27:07 PM

Well I for one am a little disapointed in ATI.I expected something better than that from them.They have been sucking the hind titty for too long as it is.C'mon AMD/ATI,get with the program and bring out a card that will whop NVIDIAS butt.I might be a NVIDIA fan,but I like good healthy competition as well.Keep plugging away ATI,and stop letting everyone down with those inferior benchmarks.

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a b U Graphics card
November 9, 2007 7:35:18 PM

Yeah, 3dmarks don't hold much weight IMO. Sm3.0 score is good. Best news to me is the temps and noise levels. The 3850 is looking like what I want in my HTPC update.
November 9, 2007 7:38:31 PM

Hmm mixed card mode sounds cool. I like to see a CrossSLI of 8800 GT and 3850.
November 9, 2007 7:54:52 PM


"Hmm mixed card mode sounds cool. I like to see a CrossSLI of 8800 GT and 3850."


Indeed, why can't they all just GET ALONG with each other,,, SLIfire - Crossli - AMDtel - whatever.
a c 1308 U Graphics card
November 9, 2007 8:09:36 PM

Would it not be nice if they all got together like a happy family, they could then raise the prices! Then it would only be the consumer loosing money!
November 9, 2007 8:14:38 PM

The ATI cards have always done better in 3dmark06 then in real world apps though. On the other hand, I think 80nm to 55nm IS a significant improvement. Its solved the issues with the 2900xt, which was power consumption, heat, no need for what was kinda a high end cooler on it. No expensive 512mb bus doing next to nothing :D 

November 9, 2007 8:19:33 PM

i still don't trust ati/amd these days....I'll wait for the real benchmarks...
November 9, 2007 9:14:09 PM

As pointed out on page 4, the 3DMark scores don't match on the OC'd picture (12961 vs. 12232). Something seems fishy.
a b U Graphics card
November 9, 2007 9:45:05 PM

Hatman said:
The ATI cards have always done better in 3dmark06 then in real world apps though.


That's true this generation, last generation it was the reverse. And for the mid-range both have impressive bungholiomarks and weak gaming performance.
November 9, 2007 9:47:13 PM

NEXT GEN High End ATI GPU = R680!

RV670 = A VALUE CARD hence the "V"
November 9, 2007 9:52:32 PM

Also I hope all of you see that that GPU-Z list 416 Shaders (not 320) and a Pixel Fillrate of 4.8GPixels/Texels. My Radeon 2900XT has 320 shaders and a 12.8GPixels/Texels Fillrate. So WTF?
a b U Graphics card
November 9, 2007 9:53:06 PM

Eviltwin17 said:
..... man i just dont get amd/ati sometimes, why are making it seem as if they are moving into their next gen series of cards when in fact this is not next gen at all, its just a reboot of their current generation of cards.


Yet, the HD3800 has a new level of DX and SM support, plus added features.
Why shouldn't it get a refresh? This could be the X800Pro/X1800XL of that generation like the last two launches, with the superior high-end to launch later, remember it is an RVxxx part not an Rxxx part.

Also how is this naming any more/less non-sensical/logical than nV having the GT beat the GTS; another GTS line, with the potential of a 3rd GTS line which might potentially dethrone the GTX; or naming the chip the GT is based on the G92 instead of the G8x without anymore of a major upgrade than the RV670? :heink: 

Neither company is making the naming easier, nor more sensible. It seems though that people have alot to say about it, even though they are unlikely to actually be confused so much as just want to complain about something. :pfff: 
a b U Graphics card
November 9, 2007 9:57:35 PM

wingless said:
Also I hope all of you see that that GPU-Z list 416 Shaders (not 320) and a Pixel Fillrate of 4.8GPixels/Texels. My Radeon 2900XT has 320 shaders and a 12.8GPixels/Texels Fillrate. So WTF?


GPU-Z hates new hardware, it say my Mobility HD2600 runs at 3mhz core 3 mhz memory (can you even run windows 95 let alone Vista at 60hz with that?).

Although maybe it's right and that's why I'm getting such slow performance in Crysis. :whistle: 

When W1zzard updates it it should read them correctly then.
November 9, 2007 10:09:00 PM

Scores are pretty nice, and concidering ATI R600+ design is better at 3Dmarks, in games 3870 should be slower than GT on average ~15% or so. Pricing is very good, it seems we'll have 8600/2600 killer in hands. Much quieter cards also will be nice selling point too.

If Inq is correct about 3870 X2 comming out before New Year, I might even look at it for possible upgrade ;) 
November 9, 2007 10:16:47 PM

KyleSTL said:
As pointed out on page 4, the 3DMark scores don't match on the OC'd picture (12961 vs. 12232). Something seems fishy.


They would'nt need to match up in that screen shot. When doing repeated tests in 3DMark06, the scores are only posted to the program window when the Pop-Up Score window is closed. The simple explanation for that is that they had run a previous test at some lower OC and thus the score in the program box is lower due to it being from the previous test (possibly at a lower clock I would assume). The Pop-Up window score is from the most recent test and will update to the program box when it is closed. They did this to allow full comparison of scores wen testing hardware/software changes. Hense, you can see where the improvement lies, whether it be in SM3/SM2 or CPU.
November 9, 2007 10:18:37 PM

So the 3870, released over a year after the 8800GTX, still cant compete with the 8800GTX.

:/ 
November 9, 2007 10:32:56 PM

TheGreatGrapeApe said:
That's true this generation, last generation it was the reverse. And for the mid-range both have impressive bungholiomarks and weak gaming performance.


Was just reffering to this gen :) 


darkstar78:

£300 vs £150>???


Should be pretty obvious. Wait for the ATI dual card and then see how it matches the GTX.
November 9, 2007 11:08:52 PM

good old ATI when they used to rule!
November 9, 2007 11:16:44 PM

Well, I passed on a 8800GT for ~$240 out the door at fry's on release date to wait for the 3870. :(  You win some you loose some. Now I hope for prices in the low $200s for this card. If not then I win some lose most.
November 9, 2007 11:33:19 PM

Actually, I am willing to trade off a few FPS if the 3870 runs cooler and quieter than the 8800GT (which I have read cranks out a lot of heat and noise), and sells for the same price. It looks like the 3870 has some good overclocking potential, and things will only get better as the drivers mature. It might not be a grand slam for ATI, but I think it will keep them in the game and hopefully offers a viable alternative to the 8800GT at a similar price point.
November 10, 2007 12:20:33 AM

What is the expected price for these cards? Anyone know?
November 10, 2007 2:38:53 AM

Supposedly:

3850: ~$150
3870: ~$250
November 10, 2007 2:48:38 AM

Yeah, just how the 8800GT was "supposed" to be $200-$250. We'll see.
November 10, 2007 3:00:43 AM

aadamszc said:
Supposedly:

3850: ~$150
3870: ~$250



Aww. Well, if the card runs close to the 8800GT in real game performance, the 3870 might be worth it. Otherwise I don't think I'll be paying 20 bucks less for a less powerful card. Rather drop the 270 for the 8800. Makes me sad. I was really hoping ATI would have a powerplay up their sleeve, or at least be tight in comparison testing. I can always hope that the benchies on the 15th will tell a different story.
November 10, 2007 3:04:07 AM

Hopefully AMD has a real winner with R700. If nothing else this may help drive the price of the 8800GT down.
November 10, 2007 3:23:57 AM

ettenra said:
Aww. Well, if the card runs close to the 8800GT in real game performance, the 3870 might be worth it. Otherwise I don't think I'll be paying 20 bucks less for a less powerful card. Rather drop the 270 for the 8800. Makes me sad. I was really hoping ATI would have a powerplay up their sleeve, or at least be tight in comparison testing. I can always hope that the benchies on the 15th will tell a different story.

Its because Nvidia can OC the shader clock, while ATI can't.
November 10, 2007 5:18:01 AM

i got my eVGA 8800GT Superclocked for $249....I am waiting to feel some regret once the ATI card comes out...but I really don't think I will...even if prices are lower.
November 10, 2007 5:30:52 AM

qmalik said:
i got my eVGA 8800GT Superclocked for $249....I am waiting to feel some regret once the ATI card comes out...but I really don't think I will...even if prices are lower.


oh god know you will.regrdless of the oc poitential, looks like it s going to be not a good value only for the performance. if it s cool and quiet, probably it s clearly gonna end up being as being a better deal than the g92. this is the kind of card a lot of people are going to be ready to pay for. and between me and you(:) ), you wont even mind how much better or worse it will look once you ll be playing the games you like.

a b U Graphics card
November 10, 2007 6:43:28 AM

The mixed 3870/3850 crossfire results weren't bad at all (bottom of page 4). Adding the 3850 made it jump 3,000 3dmarks.

Here are some other slides that may have been posted already.
http://we.pcinlife.com/thread-844605-1-1.html

I'm looking forward to some real reviews late next week.
November 10, 2007 12:36:07 PM

Holy benchmarks batman! There's a lot of comparison going on there. On checking the 3870 numbers vs. the 8800gt numbers in the same games, they are similar. Except in World in Conflict. GT wins there by a landslide.
a b U Graphics card
November 10, 2007 12:39:58 PM

But of course, not wise to get over-excited about some slides. In a week we should have some real reviews to go by.
November 11, 2007 1:15:53 PM

So when is the final release date for the ATI 3800 series card? 15th of november or the 19th, or neither of them????
November 11, 2007 3:17:19 PM

I read that the 3850 will be much cheaper, but let's wait a few days to see the official info.

A nice thing is that you can do crossfire with the cheaper card and have a good performance boost.
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November 11, 2007 3:18:57 PM

itotallybelieveyou said:
what a bad move by amdti


Actually, I kind of like it. It's pretty smart of AMD to focus on the mainstream, that's where the big money is.
November 11, 2007 3:27:03 PM

aevm said:
Actually, I kind of like it. It's pretty smart of AMD to focus on the mainstream, that's where the big money is.


Well, I politely disagree with you on this one. There's this thing called the halo effect and it's a pretty powerful thing... just ask Apple how it's enjoying the halo effect from the success it's had with the iPod. That said... the 8800 GTX casts a long shadow over the video card market... many people will be thinking "Hey, if Nvidia makes the best top-end card they must make the best cards" It's not a "smart" move by AMD to focus on the mainstream... it's pretty much their only option considering they haven't been able to compete with the top offerings from Nvidia. I agree that mainstream cards are where the real money is at (not because of ASPs but rather the high volume) but not being able to compete at the top will seriously make people wonder if they're able to compete at all. Now with the 8800 GT it just seems like Nvidia has solidified its hold on the market and given us that "mainstream" card we've all been craving (sorry 8600s... you're not it) Best of luck to AMD/ATI... it's going to need it.
a c 143 U Graphics card
November 11, 2007 4:07:30 PM

Yup, good points. I hope they get back in shape soon so they can compete at the high-end too, that'd be good for everybody. Hmmm, with AMD at $12/share maybe I should buy some :) 
November 11, 2007 5:27:02 PM

If the card was 209$ (3870) and the performance was as reported, I'd be all over it. But unless it's a 50$ savings and a less than 15% performance loss across the board in real gaming compared to the 8800, I just can't justify it, no matter how bad I want ATI to pull out a win this round. I think a lot of homebuilders feel that way too. They've already invested in decent PSU's for last gen power hogs. A great power savings isn't going to be a huge deal for them, so that can't be the reason they want to buy the 38xx's. It just won't motivate.
November 11, 2007 6:01:40 PM

Looking at their other prices it doesn't seem they have the best deals. Wasn't the 8800 in the higher 300's? lol. I hope newegg has the 3850 around 160-175/3870 around 200-220. I may buy one.
November 11, 2007 6:01:53 PM

You see guys, the problem with synthetic benchmarks is that they are not real.
November 11, 2007 6:17:27 PM

Can Not said:
You see guys, the problem with synthetic benchmarks is that they are not real.



Eh.. Yeah. I for one REALLY want to see some 3870 real game performance marks, and a comparison against the 8800gt, the old gts cards, the 2900xt, and the 3850. :pt1cable: 
November 11, 2007 6:40:26 PM

True, you can't use 3dmark when comparing different companies.

I seriously hope this is priced aggressively, that way I can get my friend to buy one. Meh, waiting games...
November 11, 2007 6:42:11 PM

Everybody seems to be forgetting that we are going to see an R680 by the end of the year! The RV670 is just a value card and is not meant to be ATI's top-liner. "V" is for value and thats exactly what it will be when it comes out. AMD has gotten into the bad habit of releasing the low-end products first before the top of the line hardware is ready. This is giving the illusion that they downright suck and that is reflected in their stock price. The market has spoken.

The R680 will be the REAL DEAL and its expected to ship by Christmas so keep an eye out for that. If not, we'll at least have the HD3870 X2 to check out. 640 shaders and 32 ROPS for $400 can't be screwed up hopefully LOL (....until we get that beta-assed driver release).
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