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November 10, 2007 5:38:01 AM

Ok since the release of the 8800Gt I have been estatic and overjoyed to plan and hopefully build in the near future a new computer. Especially when I heard that 2x 8800GT cost just about as much as 1x 8800GTX. So in my head, my logic starts to slum through my thoughts, and aren't 2 'things' better then 1? So I began to create this bahemeth of a computer and also fullfil my life fantasy of a new powerful but froogle computer. So I start my heavy research spending hours a day, at home and at work, finding out specks and tweaking my wish list for the perfect system. As I was doing this I came across an astonishling amount of people saying that SLI is a waste of money and doesn't have hardly any performance gain (just like the software RAID 0 fad). Now is this true? If so then I have major remodification to my plans. ( I was hoping to have SLI 8800GT with a C2D E6720 on a samsung 226BW 22" 1680 x 1050).

Please explain to me your ideas and thoughts about this.

Why go SLI?
Why not to go SLI?
Is SLI a misleading fad?
Is it worth it?

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November 10, 2007 6:29:44 AM

Go SLI if you have the money, but only on high end cards. 2 lower end cards will generally lose to a cheaper overall higher end card. The 8800GT's pricing, however, makes it quite tempting to go SLI, considering it performs so close (except at very high res) to the real high end cards.

Why not go SLI? Well for reasons stated above but also because of compatibility and stability issues. The very fact that you have extra hardware means you have a thousand more possible conflicting combinations of hardware in certain applications. For the most part, with mature drivers the problems are few and far between and generally either minor or severe.

I don't think it's misleading, only the graphs used to represent the performance increase over a single card. Don't expect 2x the performance, coz you aren't going to get it. More like 60% at best (don't mark my words here, I'm taking a guess based off buried memories of graphs). You monitor's resolution happens to sit on the fence where anything lower only needs one card and anything higher really needs the best single card or SLI/CF to run at max settings and native res. So this can be tricky to decide if you have the money.

As for whether it's worth it or not, depends what you intend to play and are you a hardcore gamer? If you want to play crysis or FC2 at 1680x1050, SLI would be a good option IMO, especially at high or very high settings. But by the time FC2 comes out, newer single card solutions may crush your SLI 8800GT setup. But as cleeve said, never upgrade for future games.
November 10, 2007 8:09:36 AM

to be honest - if i was you id go with one 8800gt for the moment and wait till the newer x9800's are out (maybe xmas). then buy one of them and sell ure 8800gt on ebay or use it in a 2nd machine. SLI is buggy in my experience most games dont support it propperly loads of mainboards have issues with it and when i ran my 2x7900gtx's with it i was forever disabling sli to get stuff running propperly. However that said the driver supports getting better as well as game support - but you only really gain about 20% when it does work propperly. Waste of time IMO.
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November 10, 2007 9:29:37 AM

A single high-end card is better than 2 lesser cards in SLI. Spend your money initially on the single fastest card you can afford. Or as suggested, buy an 8800 and wait until the next round of cards comes out.
November 10, 2007 9:58:59 AM

If I had the money and was playing at resolutions higher than 1680x1050 or really wanted to play Crysis at very high setting then yes I would go SLI. If I really wanted to get two 8800GTX in SLI it would only take me two months to come up with the extra money. Theres so many other places I could put that money, as I have many other hobbies that could use some more attention.
November 10, 2007 10:04:38 AM

There isn't a game I have or program that doesn't work with SLI and the performance gain was 90% more, not double but damn close. My opinion is that the 8800gt would make a good SLI Machine because of the price performance.
November 10, 2007 12:58:18 PM

Ok thank you all for your replaies, please keep them coming as I try to make a dicsision. I agree totally that one high end card will beat two lesser cards in SLI, but with the performance gains of the new G92 and plus buying two (when the price goes down and availability comes) is around the same price as a single 8800GTX. Now I want to get EVGA cause I've heard good things about there step up program. So could I get the two 8800GT and use their step up program to upgrade to the 9800xx for little money in the future?
November 10, 2007 2:15:45 PM

Best option unless you have money to burn is buy the 8800GT now and save the money you would have spent on the extra card and sli MB and upgrade to a better card sooner after. better use of money i think.
But like people have said depends on your monitor size/res and how high and what framerates you find acceptable.
November 10, 2007 4:05:51 PM

MY Ideal in my head is with the 226BW 22" with 1680 x 1050 res with max quality in most of todays games (other then crysis of course). I may seem like I will buy one GT now and 'IF' in the future I go sli drop one in later and then use th e evga step up program to upgrade to the 9800xx series of cards. Unless i don't fully understand evga step up program. so will two 8800GT become future proof especially with the step up program? Or should I do like what some has mentioned by getting one 8800GT (still with a SLI MOBO for Futre 9800xx series) to hold me over until the new cards come around? There are just so many choices, I am going to ponder this for a little bit.
November 10, 2007 5:22:46 PM

I personally would never go SLI (never say never tho).

Well that being said, currently the best price/performance vid card is the 8800GT, and buying 2 now to SLI is actually worth it....right now. In the future, it would not be worth it at all anymore, but hey that's technology.

Go with SLI or don't go with it, there is no clear winner here....right now.
November 10, 2007 5:55:27 PM

SLI or not really comes down to conditions. dual GT's will generally beat a GTX in a game like Crysis at your res and higher settings, but there also can be driver, heat and power issues. SLI/Crossfire is conditional.
November 10, 2007 11:06:04 PM

I am really enjoying this thread as these are my exact questions as well. I’m am looking at creating the Best possible gaming machine by Xmas for about $2k and I already have the Samsung 226bw monitor.

However the comment on ati not making good cards anymore I wouldn’t agree with. At least to state such as of yet. This month will be very interesting after the ATI HD 3*** series are available. I’m anxious to see what a 3 card crossfire is going be capable of producing.

I’m also very anxious for benches and price/performance ratios on the new Phenom X4's as well. And not to forget the 790fx chipset!

So as of what hardware that will be available by xmas, what do you guys think the best gaming mobo/GPU/CPU would be if you had about $1k to budget on those components.
November 11, 2007 12:17:23 AM

wirelessfender said:
I am really enjoying this thread as these are my exact questions as well. I’m am looking at creating the Best possible gaming machine by Xmas for about $2k and I already have the Samsung 226bw monitor.

However the comment on ati not making good cards anymore I wouldn’t agree with. At least to state such as of yet. This month will be very interesting after the ATI HD 3*** series are available. I’m anxious to see what a 3 card crossfire is going be capable of producing.

I’m also very anxious for benches and price/performance ratios on the new Phenom X4's as well. And not to forget the 790fx chipset!

So as of what hardware that will be available by xmas, what do you guys think the best gaming mobo/GPU/CPU would be if you had about $1k to budget on those components.


ATI hasn't made anything that has come even close to the fastest Nvidia video card in over a year now. You could call that 10 years in our standard time (computer world ages much faster ). Pretty sad when Nvidia doesn't have to change the price AT ALL for over a year! And with the 2900XT barely matching the 3rd place card (which is now 4th place), that's NOT good. Like I said, ATI is NOT in the game for high-end.
As for Phenom, there are already benches on it. The Intel Quad 6600 crushes it without even trying. Even overclocking the Phonom, still gets stomped by Intel cpus. NOT good.
You want gaming, it's Intel and Nvidia, NOT AMD and ATI.
November 11, 2007 12:39:51 AM

It is a good thread. Questions we all contemplate when planning a new system.
Maximum performance!


I just got done building my system and decided against SLI. Here's my "why go SLI" list that helped change my mind.

It's just not the price of the two cards, but an SLI motherboard cost more too.

The motherboard it's self. You more than likely will be using a 680i chipset to go SLI. They seem to have heat issues, not to mention two cards in SLI generate more heat. I recommend looking at the EVGA 680i board if you want to go SLI.

Not every game supports SLI. If the game you love doesn't support it your extra card is just kind of sitting there doing nothing.

SLI really only shines in high resolutions. I have a 226BW too. Awesome monitor BTW. A single card will do just fine in 1680X1050 or so it seems. I haven't had any problems with my 8800GT running demos like Call of Duty 4 and UT3 in there highest settings. I'm sure you will get some higher FPS, but the benefit of going SLI really starts to kick in at even higher resolutions than the 226BW supports.

Basically what it came down to me is buying a motherboard with a P35 chipset if I don't want SLI, or a 680i if I wanted SLI. As far as overclocking, stability and overall performance goes the P35 wins. If nVidia and Intel ever kiss and make up I would be a happy man. I probably would have gone and got a Q35 board and bought a second card further down the road.


BUT! If SLI is really what you want and it's in the budget I say go for it. I've seen a benchmark with two 8800GT's in SLI and the numbers were impressive. I can't say it doesn't perform. It just doesn't have a good performance, money ratio. If that ratio is lacks meaniing to you, DOOOoo IT! :D 
November 11, 2007 12:50:19 AM

It would be a good idea to wait because so many new things are just on the horizon. Yeah new stuff is always coming out but right now more stuff than usual is in the pipeline. Phenom, Intel's 45nm high K, ATI's 3xxx, and nVidia's new 65nm, higher end (higher end than the 8800GT) 8xxx or 9xxx stuff, all pretty soon.....
November 11, 2007 1:45:16 AM

computertech82 said:
ATI hasn't made anything that has come even close to the fastest Nvidia video card in over a year now. You could call that 10 years in our standard time (computer world ages much faster ). Pretty sad when Nvidia doesn't have to change the price AT ALL for over a year! And with the 2900XT barely matching the 3rd place card (which is now 4th place), that's NOT good. Like I said, ATI is NOT in the game for high-end.
As for Phenom, there are already benches on it. The Intel Quad 6600 crushes it without even trying. Even overclocking the Phenom, still gets stomped by Intel cpus. NOT good.
You want gaming, it's Intel and Nvidia, NOT AMD and ATI.


Jeez man what did AMD do to you to make you hate them soo much? Can you link some benches though? The only one I remember was in crysis and it performed right on par with it. Plus, If I remember correctly there where soo many factors that made that bench kind of sketchy. I don’t know... It just doesn’t seem right to me how the phenom is CRUSHED like you say. And the 790fx chipset rocks, I don’t care what you could say against it. Its a overclockers dream too. There are so many factors about the phenom that look promising, like individual core clock ability, and HT3.

But back on subject, I dont like SLI atm for some reason. Not sure why though, I think its just that im not impressed with the motherboards that are out there. Thats why I keep leaning towards that crossfire 790fx... But I would like to defiantly find out more info on the matter. Please keep the helpful speculation coming!
November 11, 2007 2:02:33 AM

I honestly think in most games, besides Crysis, which might even not be getting 30 FPS on very high settings at that resolution with GTX SLI), you will not need SLI if you have a 8800 GT at that resolution. By the way, what games do you play, as this could be an important factor in deciding what card to get?
November 11, 2007 2:09:26 AM

yes sli have proved to be a great benefit, specially when on line gaming. But take into account that the next generation of video card I'm assuming will have 2 vpu and I'd hope that we will see a comparable single video card that can offer the same benefits of sli. I'm thinking that sli may be an old thing but I'm not sure where graphic is going in the future only suggestions of what could be in the next line I sure hope we see 2 independent cores
November 11, 2007 2:24:19 AM

San Pedro said:
I honestly think in most games, besides Crysis, which might even not be getting 30 FPS on very high settings at that resolution with GTX SLI), you will not need SLI if you have a 8800 GT at that resolution. By the way, what games do you play, as this could be an important factor in deciding what card to get?


Well, I play games at 1680x1050. I am going to be playing crysis to the best of my soon to be computers ability. But I also play games like Supreme commander, Orange Box games, I am also interested in world in conflict, bioshock, a few others but basically I play Demanding games.... I also plan on running Vista 64 with 4GB of ddr1066memory. I defiantly want to wait for ATI's new cards or for prices on things to fall. I’m sick of this 8800GT fiasco with availability and inflated prices...
November 11, 2007 4:54:45 AM

The games That I love are: Source games (all of them, especially TF2 right now), C&C3, F.E.A.R., Oblivion, hopefully crysis, Fallout 3 when it comes out. So I think I may just go with the single 8800GT, I just don't know as of yet but that is what I am leaning towards.
November 11, 2007 8:04:12 AM

Its a tuff call to go two 8800 GT's now or one until the 9800 GTX. This is what roadblock were at, right?
November 11, 2007 9:00:17 AM

SLI is not a fad,nor is CROSSFIRE.SLI will give a 50-70% performance increase over a single card.Maybe even more than that.I have before and do intend to run SLI again very soon.I will be running 2 8800GT in SLI in about 2 wks.I've always been impressed with the performance gains you get from SLI.I feel it is something that will be more closely scrutinized in the near future and perfected on.Go SLI.Goodluck.


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November 11, 2007 10:16:23 AM

1 single 8800GT will be plenty for the res that you are running at, at higher resolutions it might be preferable to go SLI. But 1680x1050 is not too high for a 8800gt, given that it performs very close to a GTX.
November 11, 2007 1:02:10 PM

Well there sure is a lot of wrong information about SLI posted here. lol Seriously, when someone makes a blanket statment that "I get 90% more performance from SLI", or "you will get 50% more from SLI", that is PROOF that they have NO IDEA what they are talking about. :) 

The correct answer to whether SLI is good for you or not starts with what game(s) you want to play. Why start there? Because the benchmarks clearly show that some games do benefit from SLI, but some DO NOT benefit much at all from SLI. So, start with whether the game(s) I plan to play benefit much at all from SLI.

Next consider what resolution you plan to use in the game. This has already been discussed above correctly.

If all those points look like a yes for SLI for you, then consider if your power supply can properly run 2 of the video cards you plan to use.

So, is SLI good or not depends on many factors. I have not listed them all, but those are the top 3 in my mind.

My whole point is that it is INCORRECT to make a blanket statment that SLI does xxx % performance gain across the board on all games.
November 11, 2007 2:35:53 PM

Its usually 40%+ on 1600x1200res. Cant see much point in SLI at a lower res it scales badly and a single card is enough at that res anyway.

1680x1050 with 4x AA = SLI Goodness.
November 11, 2007 3:26:38 PM

bjmarler said:
Well there sure is a lot of wrong information about SLI posted here. lol Seriously, when someone makes a blanket statment that "I get 90% more performance from SLI", or "you will get 50% more from SLI", that is PROOF that they have NO IDEA what they are talking about. :) 

The correct answer to whether SLI is good for you or not starts with what game(s) you want to play. Why start there? Because the benchmarks clearly show that some games do benefit from SLI, but some DO NOT benefit much at all from SLI. So, start with whether the game(s) I plan to play benefit much at all from SLI.

Next consider what resolution you plan to use in the game. This has already been discussed above correctly.

If all those points look like a yes for SLI for you, then consider if your power supply can properly run 2 of the video cards you plan to use.

So, is SLI good or not depends on many factors. I have not listed them all, but those are the top 3 in my mind.

My whole point is that it is INCORRECT to make a blanket statment that SLI does xxx % performance gain across the board on all games.
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2870&p=22
Proof that sli is out performing single cards. the games tested here are the top games and unless a person is playing a game before sli was introduced than no gain using sli, at the same time if a computer is setup wiff vista/xp, that computer running sli will outperform a single, when optimizing a game. Game developers keep this options in mind when developing the game engine. This feature can be enable or disabled in the game options, and even disable in the video preferences. The gamer in todays games will have a edge in performance.
November 11, 2007 3:31:51 PM

I know SLI is great for higher resolutions but I am confused on that statement. If you play a game(say crysis) at 1680x1050 on medium/high settings at that res and your frames are a bit low, wouldn’t another card help out so that you could get those frames and maybe turn the settings up a notch? Why is it SLI ONLY good for super high res?
November 11, 2007 3:41:03 PM

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November 11, 2007 3:57:43 PM

Now there are rumors about manufacturers creating their own SLI drivers for the Intel X38 boards (I believe it was Foxconn that started it) and of course Nvidia denies it. Are there any other info/rumors/proof/proven false?
November 11, 2007 4:10:47 PM

wirelessfender said:
I know SLI is great for higher resolutions but I am confused on that statement. If you play a game(say crysis) at 1680x1050 on medium/high settings at that res and your frames are a bit low, wouldn’t another card help out so that you could get those frames and maybe turn the settings up a notch? Why is it SLI ONLY good for super high res?



Because it scales better IE 2 cards at 1280x720 may get you 40% over 1card, 2 cards at 1680x1050 may get you 60% boost over 1 card, 1920x1080 gets you 80% etc..


Just madew up figures btw, but its generally like that.


Also the fact that at a low res performance is much higher so there really is nO need for SLI at a low res, for both those reasons.

1680x1050 or 1600x1200 or above I think SLI is best. I know I'll be getting 2x 8800GT's for 1680x1050.

but for under, even 1 8800GT seems ot be doing pretty awesome in crysis, and thats with not so good nvidia drivers, and xrysis demo is EXTREMLY badly CPU coded, it hardly uses them and max only uses 2threads. You'll be safe with 1x 8800GT at a low res.
November 11, 2007 5:10:16 PM

Might check the prices on the ATI GPU's Newegg is selling 2900xt's 512mb for $279 and 1gig XT's for $339.00. They also have some of the 2900Pro's for $249.00. With a X38 @ X3220@3.8GHZ, and 2ea 2900pro's flashed to XT's 3DMark06=19120. Just an Idea. It's to bad the 8800GT's will not do Quad SLI:( 
November 11, 2007 8:56:33 PM

I think one fo the problems nvidia solved with tri sli was getting the cards being able to send information to the other ones. 7950GX2 quad was damn limited, but tri-sli can send info from one card to any other, whether quad sli can do this too idk might limit its performance, but the only way thats going to be possible to start off with is Intel skulltrail, and if you can afford that then you can probably afford a 30inch super monitor where it'll b exploited too.
November 11, 2007 9:01:46 PM

It look as if you are only able to Tri SLI with only the top-end Nvidia cards. The 8800GT doesn't have the second little top connector.
November 11, 2007 9:28:42 PM

Of coarse, nvidia still need a reason for you to dish out for GTX's/ultra's.

I think there will defiantly be a few new 3dmark06 records with tri-sli'ed ultras.
November 11, 2007 11:50:48 PM

Whoah whoah whoah, I didnt know Nvidia had Tri SLI? I thought you could only do that with ATI? Well this is news. I really have to wonder if the GTX's will drop like a brick in price. If they came down to the $300 range I would really consider it.
November 12, 2007 12:23:02 AM

wirelessfender said:
Whoah whoah whoah, I didnt know Nvidia had Tri SLI? I thought you could only do that with ATI? Well this is news. I really have to wonder if the GTX's will drop like a brick in price. If they came down to the $300 range I would really consider it.

While it's not official quite yet, expect drivers and new SLI bridges before the end of the year.
November 12, 2007 1:21:03 PM

All the current card prices will or should drop like a lead brick when the new next gen cards are on the shelves ... what will be nice these guys having to run super coolers will be ended since the next-gens will run alot cooler and not suck your power supply dry !
November 12, 2007 2:05:56 PM

Heyyou27 said:
While it's not official quite yet, expect drivers and new SLI bridges before the end of the year.

Unfortunatly, no.

Its been put back to next year now, 780i n all.
November 12, 2007 6:34:32 PM

wirelessfender said:
Whoah whoah whoah, I didnt know Nvidia had Tri SLI? I thought you could only do that with ATI? Well this is news. I really have to wonder if the GTX's will drop like a brick in price. If they came down to the $300 range I would really consider it.


$300 for a 8800GTX, that will never happen. I think Nvidia won't release a new high-end card till late summer or in November so they have plenty of time to work on those drivers for the new card. Nvidia has no pressure on them right now to come out with a new ultra high-end card, thank ATI for that one. Nvidia is just sitting back watching the cards (8800GT/GTS/GTX) sell like hot cakes, in the background Nvidia is having a victory party that has last for a hole year now.
November 12, 2007 6:57:00 PM

They are releasing the new 8800GTS card 65nm with 128SP's and in the new year, a dual 8800GT card.

APPARANTLY
November 12, 2007 7:52:42 PM

Cool info here. I only play at lower resolution because of LCD. I think it would be best for me to get one good card now, and spend more money on a newer card instead of buying the cheap counterpart to my now bought card.
November 13, 2007 2:49:36 PM

Lets say if I were to go SLI, theoretically of course, I have made two systems that I have felt comfortable and thought them to be solid. Now all things aside (such as MIR, Availability, etc...) I have selected two separate systems that both will suite my needs but there is a price difference. I want to know if the PERFORMANCE difference is worth the PRICE difference. Will there be that big of a difference? Could I compromise between the two? Please give me your reason and not just short answers, also I love if you all would critic the two and if you can think of changing things out I am very interested. Thank you in advance.

High Budget:$1,844 -$70 MIR = $1,774

SLI Video Card: 2x eVGA 8800GT 512MB (650MHz) http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16814130303
- $579.98
PSU: OCZ GameXStream 700W http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16817341002
- $139.99
CPU:C2D Q6600 http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16819115017
- $279.99
Memory: G.SKILL 4GB(2 x 2GB) 4-4-4-12 DDR2 800 http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16820231148
- $154.99
HDD http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16822136073
- $104.99
Monitor:Samsung 22" 226bw http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16824001096
- $319.99
Heat Sink:Zaleman 9700 http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16835118019
- $59.99
Motherboard: ASUS P5N32--E SLI 680i http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16813131073
- $204.99


Low Budget: $1,600 -$95 MIR = $1,505

SLI Video Card: 2x eVGA 8800GT 512MB (650MHz) http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16814130303
- $579.98
PSU: OCZ GameXStream 600W http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16817341001
- $114.99
CPU:C2D E6750 http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16819115029
- $194.99
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 2GB (2 x 1GB) 4-4-4-12 DDR2 800 http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16820146565
- $89.99
HDD http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16822136074
- $79.99
Monitor:Samsung 22" 226bw http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16824001096
- $319.99
Heat Sink:Zaleman 9700 http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16835118019
- $59.99
Motherboard: EVGA 122-CK-NF63-TR LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16813188019
- $159.99


I already bought the case (Antec P182 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129025) and the other odds and ends don't matter much in the build decision. Either way I plan to OC to atleast to 3GHz. Also I plan to run 64-bit OS, either XP PRO or Vista Ultimate 64bit. I do heavy gaming with plans of video editing in the future.

-I have thought of doing the 4x1GB sticks of mem, so that is a possibility.
-If not Zaleman, what are some good 120MM heatsink/fans?
-I want to stay with the WD AAKS series due to the fact that they are high performance and rival close to the raptors.
-I understand about the replacement GTS, but with eVGA step up program I should be able to upgrade my 8800GT's with little money.
-I would wait on the new quads but I know the price wont be friendly.

Other then that, I take it that there is little performance gain between the two, please correct me if I'm wrong. Other thoughts or ideas are welcome still. Keep the posts comming.
November 13, 2007 2:51:30 PM

Should I change out the 700W for the 600W on the High End budget system? Should I also change to 2x1 GB Crucial ballistex mem, and then in the future get another 2x1GB (I wished that crucial made ballistix mem in 2x2GB)
November 13, 2007 7:06:34 PM

First of all I'm going to recommend the Crucial Ballistix because their known to OC quite nicely, just look at my sig. Next thing the only thing thats really different is the processer, mobo, 4GB of RAM and the power supply. I would go with the quad core because Supreme Commander has a quad core option and you'd be ready for the future. If you going to SLI then its only smart to have more power than you need then to not have enough later, the 8800GT peaks out at around 208 watts each so thats 416W already.

Overclocking (if you plan to) with 4GB of RAM might give your problems, and again you'll never see all 4GB in a 32bit operating system. I would drop the extra 2GB of RAM and get a raptor 150GB HDD because of its unmatched access time and are very fast.
November 13, 2007 8:00:27 PM

wirelessfender said:
Jeez man what did AMD do to you to make you hate them soo much? Can you link some benches though? The only one I remember was in crysis and it performed right on par with it. Plus, If I remember correctly there where soo many factors that made that bench kind of sketchy. I don’t know... It just doesn’t seem right to me how the phenom is CRUSHED like you say. And the 790fx chipset rocks, I don’t care what you could say against it. Its a overclockers dream too. There are so many factors about the phenom that look promising, like individual core clock ability, and HT3.

But back on subject, I dont like SLI atm for some reason. Not sure why though, I think its just that im not impressed with the motherboards that are out there. Thats why I keep leaning towards that crossfire 790fx... But I would like to defiantly find out more info on the matter. Please keep the helpful speculation coming!


ROFL!!!! I'm not against anyone. I happen to be running a AMD X2 4000+ cpu and Geforce 8800GTS. But I screwed up. At the time I got my motherboard, the SLI and Crossfire SUCKED-basically the improvement was really small. I chose a single pci-e 16x slot. About a month later ATI and Geforce released a new driver that suddenly improved the performance for dual greatly (DOH!).
The new RV670 ati video card is suppose to be a little slower then the 8800GT, But if the price is about the same or lower it wouldn't be too bad. But the 8800GTX and Ulta will still NOT have any Ati card that can beat it. Not good for the market or customers. As for dual cards, as the screen resolutions go up, the more we need duals. You can see benchmarks on that.
The Phenom is basically a Barc cpu, and it got crushed. Benches of the Phenom already showing the cpu not doing very well. Not good for us AMD users.
So right now, Intel and Geforce do seem to be the best option for now and the future.
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