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Q6600 vs. E6850 - No OC

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November 9, 2007 5:40:26 PM

Looking at Dells and trying to decide between the two processors - Q6600 vs. E6850. Don't plan on OC'ing either since I'm going with a prebuilt rig (unless it can be done safely). GPU will be an 8800GT if that matters. PC will be a mixed use of gaming (CoD4!) and multimedia.

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November 9, 2007 5:52:40 PM

One other note - the Q6600 is $50 cheaper.
November 9, 2007 5:55:31 PM

Why a Dell?. @ stock, the E6850 will outperform the Q. Overclocked, it's another story.
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November 9, 2007 5:58:31 PM

Thanks for the response. Going with Dell for simplicity. Are you suggesting a custom build or another vendor?
November 9, 2007 6:05:01 PM

If you're playing newest games the q6600 will work better, older games the e6850 is better...
November 9, 2007 6:08:06 PM

The Q won't work better than the E6850 @ stock in almost any game, even the ones that use 4 cores. I suggest a custom build. It will be cheaper and also you will get a superior performance (by far). It's pretty easy to do, here in this very site you can get all the info you need.
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November 9, 2007 6:19:02 PM

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2quad-...
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=303...

Anandtech:
If you're strictly building a gaming box, you'll get more performance out of the dual-core E6850. However, if you do any encoding or 3D rendering at all, the quad-core Q6600 is a better buy. Our pick is the Q6600 and if you want to make up the performance difference you can always overclock to E6850 speeds, but the chip only makes sense if you're running apps that can take advantage of four cores. As the chart above illustrates, those applications are almost exclusively limited to video encoding and 3D rendering.
November 9, 2007 6:25:59 PM

That links Maziar points out are great references. Even here in Tom's Hardware there is a new review here:

http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/11/08/dual_vs_quad/

that shows the same. But I disagree with Anandtech in the point about the gaming box. If you overclock the Q (as the reviews show) you will get even or superior performance from the Q compared with the E6850.

The 6850 only makes sense in OEM machines (Dell, HP) because you CAN'T overclock. In custom build, the Q is better, or the E6750 if you are short of money, because it can be overclocked almost to E6850 levels (you won't notice the difference between a E6750 OC and a E6850 OC).
November 10, 2007 2:05:29 PM

Why can't I overclock an OEM machine? Cooling?
November 10, 2007 6:48:53 PM

Overclocking is next to impossible on OEM machines, due to Cheap Chinese Made(CCM) Motherboards, so besides the basic connectors to run the attached hardware, it offers nothing(Which includes most BIOS options). Cooling is obviously the cheapest garbage they can put inside(Metal probably used from recycled cans).
They cheap out on everything to have minimal production and maximum profit-per-unit.
You may think that they have better computers by now, by looking at the case updates every few models,but they made it only appeal more, the insides are all still the same recycled metal they used since the Pentium 4 days.

That's the reason most people recommend building yourself if you can. You might end up paying a little bit more, but if you shopped smart, you'll know that you have the best possible parts for your money.
November 10, 2007 7:16:43 PM

Hey rakked, link the 2 Dells that you want to buy. Someone will probably be able to list all the parts you could purchase to make a custom build at around the same price or less, with better components inside.
November 10, 2007 11:53:54 PM

If anyone is interested in doing what datmantran suggests, here is current Dell config I am considering ...

Intel® Core™2 Q6600 Quad-Core (8MB L2 cache,2.4GHz,1066FSB)
Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium
2GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 800MHz - 2 DIMMs
320GB - Seagate 7200RPM, SATA 3.0Gb/s, 16MB Cache
Single Drive: 16X CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW) w/double layer write capability
512MB Nvidia GeForce 8800 GT
Sound Blaster® X-Fi™ XtremeGamer (D) Sound Card
USB Keyboard, Optical Mouse
No Monitor, Floppy Drive, Media Reader or Modem
$1699
November 11, 2007 12:24:42 AM

You could build that yourself for about 2/3rd or less of that, easily OC it, and it will outperform that system by a large margin.
November 11, 2007 12:30:18 AM

I am a fan of Dells.

So stop for a moment.

How easy is it to install RAM or a Video Card.

If you can type on this forum, you are capable of installing RAM or a Video Card.

Dell over prices many of their accessories.

I would strip the Dell Box down to the basics and install my own RAM, Video Card and Sound Card.

You will save a few bucks, most likely quite a few and the experience will not be very difficult.

November 11, 2007 12:34:59 AM

Oh, and always shop the small business division (yes, even for a home buyer). The pricing and options are usually clearer.
November 11, 2007 12:36:54 AM

rakked said:
If anyone is interested in doing what datmantran suggests, here is current Dell config I am considering ...

Intel® Core™2 Q6600 Quad-Core (8MB L2 cache,2.4GHz,1066FSB)
Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium
2GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 800MHz - 2 DIMMs
320GB - Seagate 7200RPM, SATA 3.0Gb/s, 16MB Cache
Single Drive: 16X CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW) w/double layer write capability
512MB Nvidia GeForce 8800 GT
Sound Blaster® X-Fi™ XtremeGamer (D) Sound Card
USB Keyboard, Optical Mouse
No Monitor, Floppy Drive, Media Reader or Modem
$1699


ACK! Just bought something similar last week but put it together myself:

Q6600
2x 1GB Crucial Ballistix DDR2 1066 RAM
2x 500GB WD Caviars in RAID 0
LG H62L SATA DVD burner with Lightscribe
8800GTS 320MB
on-board sound (ASUS PRK-E mb w/ wifi)
Zerotherm BTF80 Fan (POS - I don't recommend one)
Cooler Master 750W PSU
Antec 900 case

Considering I bought mine in Canada and don't get QUITE as good a deal as you guys in the States, I think my system is better and I paid $1400 for it with taxes... and waiting on over $100 MIR right now. I think you could get a MUCH better computer and pay less if you wanted to do some work by yourself. Somethings that made my build cheaper was I went with on-board sound (it's good enough for me and I like the co-axial out to hook it up to my Stereo instead of computer speakers) and I used my old XP since the old computer is getting retired.
November 11, 2007 12:59:59 AM

Out of all the OEMs, Dells are my favs (use them at the office).

However, the Q6600 on my home built Asus Maximus Formula, B3 stepping clocked to 3.0 gigs rocks (voltage only 1.22v and temps are only 57 degrees load with stock intel heatsink).

The Q6600 at 3.0 whoops the E6850 at 3.0. It's not hard to put your computer together - home built. I'll help guide you through it if necessary, as many others will.

Question becomes, would you like to buy something, like a Dell, that is simple and stable for the price (hence price is not a factor and the stock E6850 would be better).

Or, are you willing to save a few dollars, get a "better" computer, and do it yourself, getting the Q6600 to 3.0 prime stable ;) 
November 12, 2007 2:02:54 AM

rakked said:
If anyone is interested in doing what datmantran suggests, here is current Dell config I am considering ...

Intel® Core%u21222 Q6600 Quad-Core (8MB L2 cache,2.4GHz,1066FSB)
Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium
2GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 800MHz - 2 DIMMs
320GB - Seagate 7200RPM, SATA 3.0Gb/s, 16MB Cache
Single Drive: 16X CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW) w/double layer write capability
512MB Nvidia GeForce 8800 GT
Sound Blaster® X-Fi%u2122 XtremeGamer (D) Sound Card
USB Keyboard, Optical Mouse
No Monitor, Floppy Drive, Media Reader or Modem
$1699


Just went to newegg.com, and used the wish list to build the same system. Take into consideration that better prices can be found, some items are not in stock @ newegg (video card), I'm using the Windows Vista OEM (the same that Dell will include), I selected the G11 Keyboard and the G5 Mouse (much, much better than the ones included by Dell), and also included a Tuniq Tower, that will allow you to overclock that Q to 3.6Ghz easily, and an Antec Nine Hundred case, excellent case for overclocking, and much better than any case that Dell sends you.

Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail $124.99
GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3R LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $129.99
XFX PVT88PYDE4 GeForce 8800GT Extreme 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 $289.99
Antec True Power Trio TP3-650 ATX12V 650W Power Supply with Three 12V Rails - Retail $114.99
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz LGA 775 Processor Model BX80562Q6600 - Retail $279.99
Crucial Ballistix 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) - Retail $89.99
Western Digital AV WD3200AVBS 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive $84.99
Logitech G11 Silver & Black USB Standard Gaming Keyboard - Retail $48.99
Logitech G5 2-Tone 6 Buttons 1 x Wheel USB Wired Laser Mouse - Retail $45.99
SAMSUNG 20X DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe Black SATA Model SH-S203N - OEM $35.99
Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer 7.1 Channels PCI Interface Sound Card - Retail $80.99
Microsoft Windows Vista 64-Bit Home Premium for System Builders Single Pack DVD - OEM $111.99
Tuniq Tower 120 P4 & K8 CPU Cooler - Retail $44.99

TOTAL: $1483.87 (before shipping, my guess is another 100-120 bucks).

That system will kick the Dell's a$$ completely (because you have better parts, and you will overclock that CPU at least 30%). As said before, you can get better prices - free shipping, etc. This list was made without doing any search around. For example, my Antec 900 cost me $89 with free shipping. You can find the Windows Home Premium OEM under $100, etc. I think that with some research, you can save yourself over $100 easily. So at the end I think you can aim for $1400 shipped.
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