Found this video about Phenom. Very Interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRrhV9pk6mg

All things considered, it will just get better. Scaling really isn't worth the cash right now.

2 HD3870s will be fine til drivers get on par.

Edit: I can't beleive Huddy actually said 2 or 3 or 4 times faster.

The ONLY benefit of CFX over SLI is that you don't have to have an AMD/ATI chipset to run CFX. Unless you count Skull Trail.. which I won't because I haven't seen plans to release a non-EE chip to run on it.

It doesnt mean A THING if the performance lacks. Big fancy names just are not practical to make something worth it. Let's put it this way, with 55nm they still cant make something faster and even in some comparison on par with 2900XT. It's absolutely embarrassing if you ask me... I had so much hopes for something that's this late. DX10.1 update isnt even here till next yr if i recall correctly. Not to mention it will take many months for the games to utilize it.

I totally dont see how ATI's technology is ahead of nvidia. What I can see is ATI despite delays, and this is the best they can come out with. While nvidia still has a GTX that is still winning for a year already.... sad!

Twice disappointed, hoping that ATI can come up with something competitive to force nvidia to lower there price...

by that time nvidia will probably have theirs, and multi-SLI. It's all speculations, so idk...

At this moment, ATI needs to caught up, not in technology, but just pure performance. This kind of performance wont give the company a big gain from lost in sales from the 8800s. DX10.1 is definitely NOT a selling points atm, nor the die shrink since they dont seemed to consume less power than the GT (if i recall correctly), nor the performance is up par. The only thing much left is the Quad CF on the even more lower 3750 model....

I used to like ATI, because it's a canadian company, and the headquarters is next to my old high school... but... they are just too slow.... =(

DX 10.1 will be here with Vista SP1, which is Q1 2008, not late next year..

I think ATI has pulled ahead of nVidia with the 3870 and CrossFire. Clearly nVidia still has the best single card out there in the 8800 GTX/Ultra, but even with beta drivers two 3850's in CrossFire perform basically the exact same (same per Anand's review, among others). That's a lot more bang for your buck, especially considering you can add one or two more down the road if your GPU starts to lag or bottleneck the system. Actually, you could add in a 3870 or whatever other cards ATI may have released down the road since with CrossFireX they will work together.

It's kind of like the CPU market, where AMD is caught playing catch up with Intel and the 45nm/65nm processors; nVidia is behind on the 55nm GPUs and efficient SLI.

I still think the reason why AMD and ATI are not crushing is because AMD sucked the life out of ATI by pulling resources from them and wanting GPU/CPU integration. There had to be some sort of breakdown because ATI really was due for a new chip design but instead they name a die shrink as the next numbered series? 3850 and 3870.

I think the merger was a really bad move. Tighter co-operation without purchasing should have been the move. If you can't go to another company and offer a partnership with a new idea then it isn't a good idea to begin with. Instead AMD forced this technology by buying a company when they had no place to purchase in the first place. A desperation move at I see it.

I am positive that AMD and ATI would have been much better off competitively if the merger had never taken place. It was a gamble and it failed. The degree of failure has yet to be seen but if you look at the numbers that degree is on the high side.

A really scary question to ask is...what happens to ATI if AMD goes down? Do they both disappear and leave us with a CPU and GPU monopoly in Intel and nVidia?