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November 24, 2007 1:58:47 AM

Would this be a good deal for a new build? I've found the black edition 5000 for only $99 on tigerdirect.com. Should I pick it up instead of the e2160 or e6750 i was planning on getting ?

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November 24, 2007 2:11:56 AM

no
reason: that e6750 can overclock waay easier and give u ~50% more perfomance than any AMD right now. Even at stock, it would pretty much beat that AMd 5000. Just maek sure you get a nice cooler.

And yes, the price is pretty tempting, but I suggest you stick with Intel since with little OC, they become monsters.
November 24, 2007 2:48:20 AM

$99 bones is a good price for the Black Edition, performs similar to the E6400.

OC'd, the BE can get 3.0 to 3.2.

Both the E2160, and the E6750, at 3.0, would spank the BE at 3.0.

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November 24, 2007 3:53:20 AM

thats one hell of a good deal, makes me want to upgrade my 3800+ ...
November 24, 2007 4:58:51 AM

I'm still stuck with s939... "sniffle"

Being a college student with no spending money sucks.
November 24, 2007 5:21:12 AM

We share the same sentiment (systemactually - s939 system),albeit I'm workin but with low salary
November 24, 2007 7:01:53 AM

Thats one hell of a deal!
In the UK, the cheapest I've seen the BE for was equivalent to $160/170.
Thats a really nice price!
Now I (obviously) don't use American PC stores, but just had a look at the link, an E6750 is $200, surely not worth TWICE as much!?!?
November 24, 2007 8:09:29 AM

Wow black edition is the best! Good price too! You can get upto 3.1Ghz I think without changing the cooler and just using the multiplier, so this is good to the mobo since less stress. What more you use extra cooler ang good mobo combo then you might get 4.0Ghz at ease. But I suggest the 3.0Ghz stock heat sink guaranteed.

E6750 has the performance advantage still.
November 24, 2007 8:31:52 AM

Get the 2160
November 24, 2007 9:53:31 AM

E4500. Easy overclock, better performance than the e2160, reasonable price($130 ish)
November 24, 2007 11:57:16 AM

In other news, joining the ranks of Taco Bell, McDonalds, Burger King, and Wendy's, AMD is now offering a dollar menu.
November 24, 2007 12:11:08 PM

It's a good buy if you like AMD products and some over clocking, plus AMD is going to keep making CPUs for the chipset, so you could get one of them new HT 3.0 motherboards with four pci-e slots.
November 24, 2007 12:21:12 PM

He already knew C2D/E/Q is faster, but not everyone got an Intel board. One that o/c's well.

It depends on your current board.
November 24, 2007 12:26:52 PM

I jusy purchased the Balck Box a couple of weeks ago for $129, oh well. OC'd to 3.2 Ghz, Running on air, after running Prime95 for a few hours temps never went over 40 C. Will wait until mid to late 2008 for a major system build. I am looking @ new video card. perhaps the 880 GT.
November 24, 2007 4:19:07 PM

I got one of these Black Editions for $99($107 shipped).

I realise that Intel offer better performance for the enthusiats, but at the sub ~$150ish price bracket I don't think Intel offer any great advantage. I'm not an expert, but I know how to budget. Mobo/cpu for $173

Can anyone suggest a decent HSF for my ASUS M2V motherboard? I'm a little concerned about some of the HS's that could be too big. I'm not a fan of Thermaltakes HSF's if that helps narrow it down.

How about this one?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103031

or

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835887002

November 24, 2007 4:52:45 PM

TechnologyCoordinator said:
In other news, joining the ranks of Taco Bell, McDonalds, Burger King, and Wendy's, AMD is now offering a dollar menu.



An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who intentionally posts controversial or contrary messages in an on-line community such as an on-line discussion forum or group with the intention of baiting users into an argumentative response. :D 



November 24, 2007 5:31:54 PM

soloman02 said:
I'm still stuck with s939... "sniffle"

Being a college student with no spending money sucks.


yes it does
November 24, 2007 5:32:25 PM

caamsa said:
An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who intentionally posts controversial or contrary messages in an on-line community such as an on-line discussion forum or group with the intention of baiting users into an argumentative response. :D 


A blind AMD fanboy/troll. Someone who has no life and feels like they need to root for the underdog. Someone who ignores benchmarks and will spin any benchmark into a win for AMD. Someone who willingly ignores facts in the hope that one day they will marry Sharikou. Someone who makes wild claims like "INTEL BK 2Q'08" that have no factual basis. Someone who comes onto the forums to blindly defend AMD in the hopes it will make their AMD based system faster.
November 24, 2007 5:43:48 PM

TechnologyCoordinator said:
A blind AMD fanboy/troll. Someone who has no life and feels like they need to root for the underdog. Someone who ignores benchmarks and will spin any benchmark into a win for AMD. Someone who willingly ignores facts in the hope that one day they will marry Sharikou. Someone who makes wild claims like "INTEL BK 2Q'08" that have no factual basis. Someone who comes onto the forums to blindly defend AMD in the hopes it will make their AMD based system faster.



Wow did you make that up all by yourself..... :kaola: 
November 24, 2007 6:12:08 PM

A big part of this equation is the motherboard. I'm considering grabbing a 5000+ BE right now to get me through the rest of this year (or so) because I really like the 790FX motherboards with thier OC and CrossFireX support. This obviously means I'm basically buying a bit of time until AMD can come up with something better/revised than current Phenoms, but I suppose that's a bit of a gamble in itself.

Another thing to consider and watch out for is that there are early reports on the xtreme and anandtech forums about A64 processors overclocking extremely well (A64 BE to 3.54 on air) because of the chipsets support for HT 3.0. Anandtech should have an article up early next week about this, so I'd watch out for that.
November 24, 2007 7:16:11 PM

caamsa said:
Wow did you make that up all by yourself..... :kaola: 


I love to disagree with you. LOL. :love: 
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November 24, 2007 8:04:16 PM

MrMr said:
E4500. Easy overclock, better performance than the e2160, reasonable price($130 ish)


Ditto. The 1 MB L2 chips like the E2160 take quite a fair-sized hit in performance, especially in games. The 2 MB L2 units like the E4500 perform about 10% better clock-for-clock and are not terrifically more expensive than the E2100 series CPUs. I'd also recommend the E4500 or E4600 over a 4 MB Core 2 Duo as the new ones all have 1333 MHz FSBs, which gives you a much lower multiplier. If you have a budget board, you'll not be able to bump the FSB clock up a whole ton over 333 MHz, so starting at 200 MHz gives you a lot more headroom than at 333 MHz. You'll get a much higher OC out of the E4500 or E4600 than an E6550 or E6750 and the difference in clock speed will more than make up for the difference in performance due to the 2 MB vs. 4 MB cache (roughly 7%.)

It also bears mention that a 5000+ Black Edition can do well on a *really* cheap board as you can overclock it by simply adjusting the unlocked multiplier and not touching the bus speed. You can also get up to 3 GHz or so without even touching the Vcore, which might not be very adjustable on a cheap board. So long story short, the 5000+ BE is your best bet for an absolute bang-for-buck platform, but an OC'd E4500/E4600 will perform much better than an OC'd 5000+ BE. You should be able to get the same or maybe a touch more clock speed out of the E4500/E4600 than out of the 5000+, and the C2D is 15-20% faster at the same clocks. But the E4500/E4600 and motherboard will be more expensive- take your pick.
November 24, 2007 11:04:27 PM

There is nothing wrong with the E21x0 series, it is still 10% quicker than X2 at the same clock, and is also the only equivalently priced C2D to the low end X2 offerings, so it does have it's place.

The $75 E2140 generally hits 2.8 - 3.2GHz on stock cooling, which is a great bargain. The next step up in overclocked performance would require an E4500 @ $130, there is quite a substantial difference in price.
November 24, 2007 11:45:10 PM

skittle said:
thats one hell of a good deal, makes me want to upgrade my 3800+ ...


I'm tempted to upgrade my wife's 3800+, but I don't know if her ASUS 690G motherboard will overclock. I might just spring for a 6400+ instead. Last I time I looked, it was $179 at Newegg.

Then again, hybrid Crossfire boards and dual core Phenoms are coming out by February...

TechnologyCoordinator said:
In other news, joining the ranks of Taco Bell, McDonalds, Burger King, and Wendy's, AMD is now offering a dollar menu.


Quite good.

What was your joke all those years Intel was offering Spaceheater Netburst architecture at one half the performance of AMD?

How about this? "Intel systems serve double duty in those long Yukon winter nights where lonely men struggle to keep their cabins warm". Now, why did Tom's not have an article critical of the new Pentiums: "There's more to CPU performance than clockspeed: New C2D Pentiums fail to toast the competitors due to low cache while failing to keep arctic cabins warm."

I can't wait till the table eventually turn. Intel has a penchant for not improving tech when their competition is lying down on the job, like AMD is doing with Phenom today.

November 25, 2007 12:44:43 AM

TechnologyCoordinator said:
In other news, joining the ranks of Taco Bell, McDonalds, Burger King, and Wendy's, AMD is now offering a dollar menu.
you didnt go to the computer show @ gibralter today, most of those guys still think amd can do no wrong, Im all about the bang for buck, but i have a am2 board so im stuck with a phenom, or ive gotta buy a new board and cpu. Good thing you didnt go there, they would have thrown holy water on you,lol
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November 25, 2007 10:31:46 AM

An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who intentionally posts controversial or contrary messages in an on-line community such as an on-line discussion forum or group with the intention of baiting users into an argumentative response.

TC .... Troll Coordinator.

Iv'e figured it out ... his true form was hidden in plain sight ... all this time.

LMFAO .... :) 

5000+ black ... or an E6750 ... major decision being ... what mobo do you have now? If you have an AM2 then for the 5000+ and OC to 3.0gig. If its a build from scratch then get a Qcore compatable mobo - chuck in a cheap E2 series and save up for a Q6600 (or buy it outright). AMD has no competition at the high end at the moment ... tho I cherish them dearly !! heh heh heh ...
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November 25, 2007 10:46:41 AM

If you have an AM2 system, then yes, a 5000+ BE for $99 is a great deal.
November 25, 2007 10:50:27 AM

Quote:
Spaceheater Netburst

Good description of my old P4 HT!
November 25, 2007 11:54:40 AM

yipsl said:
What was your joke all those years Intel was offering Spaceheater Netburst architecture at one half the performance of AMD?


lol. The joke was that from 2001 to 2008 I did not purchase an Intel processor! I've gone from Socket A, to 939, and then even upgraded my 939 system last year.
November 25, 2007 11:55:40 AM

Reynod said:
TC .... Troll Coordinator.


OK, now even I laughed at that one!
November 25, 2007 11:57:21 AM

reconviperone1 said:
you didnt go to the computer show @ gibralter today


I've actually never been there. I knew a guy that bought some floor space to do tatoos though. My wife want me to take her to Great Lakes to do some shopping, blah.
November 26, 2007 12:43:42 AM

TechnologyCoordinator said:
I love to disagree with you. LOL. :love: 




Now you are starting to scare me.................. :ouch: 
November 26, 2007 1:01:55 AM

caamsa said:
Now you are starting to scare me.................. :ouch: 



We'd be like Romeo and Juliet. We'd have to keep it a secret, because if our troops of fanboys knew, they would disown us both and we'd have to use Via.
November 26, 2007 2:09:01 AM

I'm a college student on a budget. So look at it from my point of view. I want to spend as little as possible $600-700 and get a pretty good system. Now wouldn't any dual core amd or intel be a lot better than my current 2.6ghz northwood p4?
November 26, 2007 2:26:25 AM

drdoom1337 said:
Now wouldn't any dual core amd or intel be a lot better than my current 2.6ghz northwood p4?


Hell, a (bleeping) I-Phone would be better than a Northwood.

Yes, any Athlon, Phenom, or Core 2 (quad or duo) would be worlds better than that.
November 26, 2007 2:38:34 AM

Also i've really been itching to try an amd. I think that either the black edition or the x2 6000 would be a good choice for me.
November 26, 2007 3:22:47 AM

drdoom1337 said:
Also i've really been itching to try an amd. I think that either the black edition or the x2 6000 would be a good choice for me.


If you want to overclock go with Intel. AMD's Athlon's are pretty much maxed out. Get a Q6600 and OC the hell out of it, it will spank any AMD and most Intel chips, even on stock air.

I don't OC though, I don't have the patience and care it requires, so I'm stuck with my Opty 175 @ 2.2 ghz, when it could probably at least get to 2.5 easily.
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