Who owns a 64x2 6400 Black Edition?

[rwayne]

I got a question.

I am considering getting a AMD 64x2 6400 Black Edition but I have some reservations.

From what I understand this chip comes without a heatsink.

So with out a heatsink what kind of warranty does AMD offer with this chip?

Will the warranty only apply if you use certain AMD pre-approved aftermarket heatsinks?

Or is there no warranty? What does the box tell you?

From what I understand this is a pretty hot chip.

(For those of you who do own this chip I would appreciate it you could list the aftermarket heatsink you use and what temps you usually run idle and under load on your post)

 

[itotallybelieveyou]

let's see... 2 90nm core at 3.4Ghz... without a heatsink or fan. They have the best warranty in the world or i'm not buying it.

 

[emp]

Why would anyone buy this chip... really...? The package is $10 cheaper than a C2D E6750 that can and will viciously rape it, not only that but you also have to factor in the cost of getting a good aftermarket cooler which will bump the price at least $35 effectively making it at the very least $25 more than a faster ready-to-use out of the box E6750.

And if you already have an AM2 mobo then it's still not a viable solution, you can just pick up a cheaper chip and OC it with a better aftermarket cooler than what you were going to pick up for the X2 6400+ (Tuniq Tower anyone?) and get it about as high for less money, after all the Athlon X2s ceiling is what? 3.0-3.2? 3.4Ghz if extremely lucky...

I guess what I'm trying to say is that regardless of the angle you look at it, it still is a waste of money.

 

[itotallybelieveyou]

So... you see AMD is currently having a meltdown. Get some Intel

 

[rwayne]

Well I got an AM2 motherboard so it would be cheaper to get a 64x2 black edition than it would to go out and buy an intel mobo and processor. Plus I have an OEM verison of windows so if I got another motherboard I would have to buy another copy of windows.

The price of the black edition just dropped from $209 to $179. I have a feeling it is going to drop again soon.

 

[speedbird]

Not everybody wants to go Intel, people need to understand this.

 

[Elpuerco]

According to the insert supplied with the CPU it has a 3 year warranty if you use any of the approved cooling solutions listed on their website. I use a Coolit Freezone on mine. Idle temp is 28C, loaded temp is 44C after an hour running flat out at an overclock of 3.52 gigahertz. It is really all the CPU power I could ask for.

Gary

 

[caamsa]

Well I got an AM2 motherboard so it would be cheaper to get a 64x2 black edition than it would to go out and buy an intel mobo and processor. Plus I have an OEM verison of windows so if I got another motherboard I would have to buy another copy of windows.

The price of the black edition just dropped from $209 to $179. I have a feeling it is going to drop again soon.

You need to excuse some of the people on here, they have their own agenda.....which most of the time is to just insult you and offer nothing.........

I have the AM2 6000+ and it is a great chip. So if you have an existing AM2 board the 6400+ is a good chip but then you have to consider an after market heat sink which jacks up the price. If I were you I would just get the 5200+ 65W processor. It is not really that much slower than the top end AMD chips and it runs cooler and uses less power and comes with a heat sink. If you get a boxed chip it comes with a warranty but I think that is the least of your worries.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103767

 

[emp]

Well I kind of just explained it, but I'll do it anyway just for you... It's actually CHEAPER for you to buy a lower clocked Athlon and an amazing HSF for less money than to get a 6400+ with a decent/average HSF. Even though OC'ing is based mostly on the luck of the draw, the Athlons have really limited overclocking potential anyway, and that 6400+ is at the very top of the ceiling... In fact haven't you wondered why AMD doesn't include an HSF? Simply because they know that at those speeds they can't be sure if their design can support the chip and remain stable, which forces you to get a better aftermarket cooler than can support it.

What I'm trying to say, you can either get a cheaper Athlon and a better HSF (And save money in the process) or you can get that 6400+ with a decent HSF (wasting money in the process) and end up getting the same results.

 

[rwayne]

According to the insert supplied with the CPU it has a 3 year warranty if you use any of the approved cooling solutions listed on their website. I use a Coolit Freezone on mine. Idle temp is 28C, loaded temp is 44C after an hour running flat out at an overclock of 3.52 gigahertz. It is really all the CPU power I could ask for.

Gary

Is this the Coolit Freezone HSF you use?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835227002&Tpk=Coolit+Freezone

That is a $319 cooler! That costs more than the chip itself!

 

[emp]

Well... I told you that the chip itself is not worth it, there far better solutions for your problem, and they don't necessarily have to be related with an intel upgrade, but you seem fixated on getting this chip and only this chip, so good luck with it.

 

[reconviperone1]

Well I got an AM2 motherboard so it would be cheaper to get a 64x2 black edition than it would to go out and buy an intel mobo and processor. Plus I have an OEM verison of windows so if I got another motherboard I would have to buy another copy of windows.

The price of the black edition just dropped from $209 to $179. I have a feeling it is going to drop again soon.

Buy a arctic cooling pro 64, it'll keep it cool, I have my x2 5600 running at 3010ghz and it runs at the same temp as it does with stock temp, so im sure it'll keep your 6400 cool.

 

[coret]

Or go with a 5000+ black edition instead and use the price difference between the two chips to purchase a nice 3rd party cooler (check out www.frostytech.com for good, thorough heatsink reviews) with whatever cooling potential you wish for.

 

[caamsa]

Well... I told you that the chip itself is not worth it, there far better solutions for your problem, and they don't necessarily have to be related with an intel upgrade, but you seem fixated on getting this chip and only this chip, so good luck with it.

I agree with you, I don't think that chip is worth it either. I stick by my suggestion of the AM2 5200+ 65W chip.

 

[boner]

I got a question.

I am considering getting a AMD 64x2 6400 Black Edition but I have some reservations.

From what I understand this chip comes without a heatsink.

So with out a heatsink what kind of warranty does AMD offer with this chip?

Will the warranty only apply if you use certain AMD pre-approved aftermarket heatsinks?

Or is there no warranty? What does the box tell you?

From what I understand this is a pretty hot chip.

(For those of you who do own this chip I would appreciate it you could list the aftermarket heatsink you use and what temps you usually run idle and under load on your post)

if it's cheap then go for it and buy a decent or a high performance heatsink with fan from www.newegg.com

 

[Mathos]

Don't bother with the 6400+, if you want similar results just get the 5000+ black edition and OC it with the unlocked multiplier. Get close to the same results at a lot less price.

 

[husky mctarflash]

If I read it correctly, the 5000BE has 512MB/core cache, whereas the 6400BE has 1GB/core. 1) is this correct? 2) if so, does that have any impact on performance?

Everyone seems focused on OCing, which is OK. But would the cache make a difference in performance/recommendation? What about for gaming?

Thanks everyone!

 

[turboflame]

If I read it correctly, the 5000BE has 512MB/core cache, whereas the 6400BE has 1GB/core. 1) is this correct? 2) if so, does that have any impact on performance?

Everyone seems focused on OCing, which is OK. But would the cache make a difference in performance/recommendation? What about for gaming?

Thanks everyone!

1. close, but it's actually 512kb/core and 1mb/core

2. depends on the application but in general extra cache doesn't make a significant difference

 

[vegie]

x2 4000!!! make sure its the g1 stepping and a acric 64 frezzer pro and crank that **** to 3.3ghz...... this proccesser is so cheap!

 

[skittle]

I second that! Proud owner of a Oced 6000+ for 6 months now and games/apps run just fine.

yessss enjoy your inferior product

 

[husky mctarflash]

1. close, but it's actually 512kb/core and 1mb/core

2. depends on the application but in general extra cache doesn't make a significant difference

Thanks Turboflame. Good catch on the memory--now there's a Freudian slip that we can all appreciate!

BTW, cool logo!

 

[jerseygamer]

Fact:
-6400 still beats intel for gaming per $
-AMD still beats intel for performance per $ at the mid and low range
-AM2 users are more likely to continue with AMD at the mid and low range because the next great Intel upgrade is looking like new MB, Ram, and CPU
-AMD/ATI systems are the only setups you can buy atm that are PCIE-2.0, compatable with the new DX10 coming out and next years CPUs
-Intel is puting themselfs in the same position AMD did when they jumped from 939 to AM2 tisk tisk...

 

[WazzaUK]

-6400 still beats intel for gaming per $

My E6850 (stock) says otherwise lol.... might of been a touch expensive - but worth every $.
Anyway video speed is "god" (always will be). I dont play games enough to be bothering with 8800.

-AM2 users are more likely to continue with AMD at the mid and low range because the next great Intel upgrade is looking like new MB, Ram, and CPU

considering socket 775 been around for longer than AM2....... And latest boards will support next intel CPU's. Upgrading to a new motherboard with new shiny chipsets usually brings added extra performance.

AMD/ATI systems are the only setups you can buy atm that are PCIE-2.0, compatable with the new DX10 coming out and next years CPUs

hmmm. intel X38 supports PCI-E 2.0

I aint no "intel fanboy", got 2 other AMD pc's.

 

[bfellow]

If I read it correctly, the 5000BE has 512MB/core cache, whereas the 6400BE has 1GB/core. 1) is this correct? 2) if so, does that have any impact on performance?

Everyone seems focused on OCing, which is OK. But would the cache make a difference in performance/recommendation? What about for gaming?

Thanks everyone!

That would be insane to see a 1 GB L2 cache.

 

[shadowmaster625]

If I read it correctly, the 5000BE has 512MB/core cache

If it did have a 512M of cache, it would be worth many thousands of dollars! Imagine having a cpu with no need for RAM... lol