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Upgrading from Geforce N6600 GT DDR3 AGP

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November 25, 2007 5:13:16 PM

Hello guys, sorry for the question but i need someone that understands graphic cards. Well, i have an "old" computer, its a Pentium 4 2.8 GHz with 1.50 GB of Ram(im going to upgrade to 2GB) and i have the Geforce N6600 GT 128MB DDR3 AGP. I can play the new games, for example Call Of Duty 4 i can play and it runs nice, the half life series too, but with some games like: Gears Of War, Timeshift and Crysis, well i can run the games, but its not a very good experience.

Now i'm thinking on buying the

- SAPPHIRE HD 2600 XT 256 MB GDDR3 AGP
or
- SAPPHIRE HD 2600 PRO 512MB DDR2 AGP VGA/TVO/DVI-I

The problem is that i dont know if i could really fell the diference from the Geforce N6600 GT 128MB DDR3 AGP. So i would like to know if i should upgrade and if any of this graphics cards could raise the gaming experience in my computer. I can play the games, but i would like to play them better and still use an AGP card. Also the prices of the two Sapphires are good for my limited budget. So should i upgrade?

Again sorry for the question and the obviously ignorance about this matters
November 25, 2007 5:27:15 PM

You will probably get almost twice as much power from a 2600XT over your 6600GT. So yes, the upgrade will give you a very noticeable performance increase.

I would go with the 2600XT.
November 25, 2007 5:30:46 PM

If you want to make one final AGP upgrade you should spend your money on a X 1950pro!

You will definitly see a nice increase in fps
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November 25, 2007 5:36:39 PM

ramo said:
If you want to make one final AGP upgrade you should spend your money on a X 1950pro!

You will definitly see a nice increase in fps


Thanks guys for the fast help, you know i have the change to buy the SAPPHIRE HD 2600 XT 256 MB GDDR3 AGP at a low price. The X 1950pro its a bit more expensive so i think i'll go to the 2600 XT.
November 25, 2007 6:05:46 PM

Also guys, do you think the SAPPHIRE HD 2600 XT 256 MB GDDR3 AGP could run a game like crysis reasonable. Because i've tried with my Geforce N6600 GT 128MB DDR3 AGP, everything in the lowest off course, but it did run. For example i can run and play Call Of Duty 4 with the Geforce N6600 GT 128MB DDR3 AGP, and it runs reasonable, Gears Of War i can also play, but its a strech for my card. I guess that with the 2600 XT 256 i can solve some problems untill i upgrade my computer. What do you think?
November 25, 2007 6:46:19 PM

What of the next AGP graphic cards do you think its better:

- SAPPHIRE X1650PRO 256MB DDR3 AGP - more expensive a bit
- SAPPHIRE X1650PRO 512MB DDR2 AGP - really lower price
- SAPPHIRE X2600XT 256MB DDR3 AGP - more expensive
- SAPPHIRE X2600PRO 512MB DDR2 AGP - really lower price

Also, the best is the SAPPHIRE X1950GT 256MB DDR3 AGP right? I just got a deal for the X1950GT, is it better than the ones i mentioned above? I mean, with my system would i have a good performance improvement, and better gaming experience with games like bioshock, Call Of Duty 4 or Crysis?
I'll wait for your opinion to make the deal.
November 25, 2007 6:50:28 PM

The 2600xt will offer up to twice the preformance off the 6600gt.
So that will be a nice increase.

(The 1950pro on the other hand will almost offer twice the preformance off the 2600xt)
November 25, 2007 7:01:56 PM

So i have deals for this 3:

1º - SAPPHIRE X1650PRO 256MB DDR3 AGP - the less expensive
2º - SAPPHIRE X1950GT 256MB DDR3 AGP - the more expensive
3º - SAPPHIRE X2600XT 256MB DDR3 AGP - almost the same price as the first

What should i choose? Again im sorry for asking this, but im making the deal while im asking here for opinions lol. So the SAPPHIRE X1950GT 256MB DDR3 AGP is the better of the three?
November 25, 2007 7:29:19 PM

I cant spend to much money and i want to buy a card wich i can play games better than my old 6600GT. So i can only afford one of the graphics below, the question is i dont know which is the better one. Some of the 512MB DDR2 are really cheap, but im afraid they arent good. Wich one should i choose, the - SAPPHIRE X1950GT 256MB DDR3 AGP seems nice, the
SAPPHIRE X2600XT 256MB DDR3 AGP too and the SAPPHIRE X1650PRO 256MB DDR3 AGP i dont know if its good. So i need to choose only one. Also can anyone of the cards run the nwe games well, for example i can play Call Of Duty and Gears Of War with my 6600GT, so i guess with a new graphic card the gaming experience could be alot better.
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Basically i need to choose one of theese:

- SAPPHIRE X1650PRO 256MB DDR3 AGP
- SAPPHIRE X1650PRO 512MB DDR2 AGP
- SAPPHIRE X2600XT 256MB DDR3 AGP
- SAPPHIRE X2600PRO 512MB DDR2 AGP
- SAPPHIRE X1650PRO 256MB DDR3 AGP
- SAPPHIRE X1950GT 256MB DDR3 AGP
- SAPPHIRE X2600XT 256MB DDR3 AGP

Could you guys help me choose the better one?
November 25, 2007 7:52:41 PM

Flex_Relax said:
I cant spend to much money and i want to buy a card wich i can play games better than my old 6600GT. So i can only afford one of the graphics below, the question is i dont know which is the better one. Some of the 512MB DDR2 are really cheap, but im afraid they arent good. Wich one should i choose, the - SAPPHIRE X1950GT 256MB DDR3 AGP seems nice, the
SAPPHIRE X2600XT 256MB DDR3 AGP too and the SAPPHIRE X1650PRO 256MB DDR3 AGP i dont know if its good. So i need to choose only one. Also can anyone of the cards run the nwe games well, for example i can play Call Of Duty and Gears Of War with my 6600GT, so i guess with a new graphic card the gaming experience could be alot better.
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Basically i need to choose one of theese:

- SAPPHIRE X1650PRO 256MB DDR3 AGP
- SAPPHIRE X1650PRO 512MB DDR2 AGP
- SAPPHIRE X2600XT 256MB DDR3 AGP
- SAPPHIRE X2600PRO 512MB DDR2 AGP
- SAPPHIRE X1650PRO 256MB DDR3 AGP
- SAPPHIRE X1950GT 256MB DDR3 AGP
- SAPPHIRE X2600XT 256MB DDR3 AGP

Could you guys help me choose the better one?


So what do you guys recomend?
November 25, 2007 8:02:48 PM

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x1950gt is on the same level as 2600xt gddr3, depends on 2600 clocks.... Maybe even faster. I think you wont need the dirext10x support -_- so go for the 1950...


Hum, ok the x1950gt is the more expensive, are you sure its better than the 2600xt, because the SAPPHIRE X2600XT 256MB DDR3 AGP is a bit cheaper, but its not a big diference so i can afford it . So the X1950gt is definitely better?
November 25, 2007 8:26:15 PM

well. i think he wants to play intensive games like crysis. a 2600xt will not be able to play that game with decent fps. most likely 11fps with low resolutions? even the 8800 series are suffering with that game.

so if you want to keep your old system get a x1950 pro AGP for your last upgrade.

or

build a new system with PCI express and get a minimum of a ATI HD 3850/3870 or 8800gt.

however, with crysis. all videocards suffer with that game right now.

and make sure your PSU has enough watts and amps to run the videocard. good luck man.
November 25, 2007 8:32:09 PM

dont go with a DX10 capable gpu until noticably faster ones become available, maybe next year if youre willing to wait, as they take too much of a hit from DX10 under vista currently. also because for most current games, DX10 isnt a large improvement visually over DX9. and even in winxp, crysis can run DX10 visuals under DX9 with some config file modifications.

that said though, the X1950GT is slightly faster than the 2600XT under DX9, whereas the X1950XT is noticably faster than the 2600XT under DX9, around twice as fast, sometimes more, sometimes less, depending on the game and resolution.

check the thg vga charts for specific games.
November 25, 2007 8:34:22 PM

aylafan said:
well. i think he wants to play intensive games like crysis. a 2600xt will not be able to play that game with decent fps. most likely 11fps with low resolutions? even the 8800 series are suffering with that game.

so if you want to keep your old system get a x1950 pro AGP for your last upgrade.

or

build a new system with PCI express and get a minimum of a ATI HD 3850/3870 or 8800gt.

however, with crysis. all videocards suffer with that game right now.

and make sure your PSU has enough watts and amps to run the videocard. good luck man.


Well i wont build a new system right now, and i was talking about the SAPPHIRE X1950GT 256MB DDR3 AGP, its the GT not the Pro. I have deals for the grahic cards mentioned and i need to choose the better one. This are the graphics i can buy, wich is the better one?

- SAPPHIRE X1650PRO 256MB DDR3 AGP
- SAPPHIRE X1650PRO 512MB DDR2 AGP
- SAPPHIRE X2600XT 256MB DDR3 AGP
- SAPPHIRE X2600PRO 512MB DDR2 AGP
- SAPPHIRE X1650PRO 256MB DDR3 AGP
- SAPPHIRE X1950GT 256MB DDR3 AGP
- SAPPHIRE X2600XT 256MB DDR3 AGP

Again im sorry for asking so much, but im making the deals while im here posting.
November 25, 2007 8:37:55 PM

Yeah DX10 its not a priority for me, since im only going to be with this system for a couple of months, then im going to build a new one. So i was just looking for a good graphic at a nice price that could run the new games well. I think the X1950GT is the better choice.
November 25, 2007 8:44:58 PM

Quote:
Dude, just save some money and buy the ATi HD3850... It wil offer you twice the performance of the 2600xt + direct 10.1 support. I mean, the 3850 is at 8800gts level -_-


Don't confuse the op...
He has a 478 socket system with agp interface, and even if a agp version of a hd3850 was made and applied to his system, it would be seriously handicaped, apart that it would be too expensive.
His cpu is from 2002 already i guess :0
November 25, 2007 8:45:06 PM

i would choose the SAPPHIRE X1950GT 256MB DDR3 AGP over the SAPPHIRE X2600XT 256MB DDR3 AGP. but what are the price differences? that would help a little.
November 25, 2007 8:51:21 PM

aylafan said:
i would choose the SAPPHIRE X1950GT 256MB DDR3 AGP over the SAPPHIRE X2600XT 256MB DDR3 AGP. but what are the price differences? that would help a little.


The SAPPHIRE X1950GT 256MB DDR3 AGP is more €20 than the SAPPHIRE X2600XT 256MB DDR3 AGP, its not a big diference.
November 25, 2007 8:56:18 PM

Flex_Relax said:
The SAPPHIRE X1950GT 256MB DDR3 AGP is more €20 than the SAPPHIRE X2600XT 256MB DDR3 AGP, its not a big diference.


It's worth the extra €20.
November 25, 2007 8:58:30 PM

rickzor said:
It's worth the extra €20.


Ok, nice im going to close the deal. Its a nice upgrade and not very expensive.
November 25, 2007 11:31:45 PM

The x1950GT is about 20-40% faster than the 2600XT, so it is worth the extra cost.
November 25, 2007 11:58:46 PM

Nice, thanks i 've closed the deal. Thanks to everybody that helped me.
November 26, 2007 11:20:52 AM

Dude, I got the exact same system. Ph 2.8ghz with 6600gt AGP.
I can tell you that the CPU is NOT fast enough for modern games. A x1950 pro/gt will be severely bottlenecked by the CPU and you won't see all that much improvement over a 2600xt (which will also be bottlenecked). Atleast the 2600xt has hardware acceleration of HD movies. If you want to play games like Crysis or UT3 you will need to upgrade the CPU.
Otherwise the 2600xt will give you some more frames per second, and the x1950 will overkill.
November 26, 2007 4:40:11 PM

Well the deal for the x1950 gt is closed now, theres no turning back. Anyway im just looking a bit more performance, i've manage to play modern games with the 6600gt AGP, for example i play Call Of Duty 4, and it runs quite well in the 6600GT, played Timeshift and Crysis but the experience was not as good as call of duty 4, but i still was able to play the game(in the lowest resolutions of course) i've also tried Gears Of War, and it runs but not as good as Call Of Duty 4. The half life series i can play all the games well in the 6600. It is true that the only modern game that runs well and i can actually play and enjoy is Call Of Duty 4. What im looking for in the x1950 gt, is a bit improvement, and i know my CPU is old so this graphic is just for a couple of months untill i build a new system.

With the x1950 gt AGP i'll have some improvement when comparing with the 6600GT AGP even with the limitations i think.
November 26, 2007 4:59:42 PM

Yes, the x1950 gt agp will definitley give you some more FPS. Let us know if its enough to play Crysis. I'm considering upgrading from my 6600gt, but with my old proccessor, I'm not sure it would be worth it.
Please post your experiences with your new card. :) 
November 26, 2007 6:50:22 PM

hixbot said:
Yes, the x1950 gt agp will definitley give you some more FPS. Let us know if its enough to play Crysis. I'm considering upgrading from my 6600gt, but with my old proccessor, I'm not sure it would be worth it.
Please post your experiences with your new card. :) 


Sure, i'll test the graphic card with the modern games and i'll put some info about how it is, and if the upgrade is worth it. Hopefully in the next few days.
December 5, 2007 2:20:27 AM

So guys im here again. I updated my card, i bought the SAPPHIRE X1950GT 256MB DDR3 AGP, its a nice AGP card if you dont wanna spend to much, i also needed to change my PSU. The games i tested so far:

My old system:
Pentium 4, 2.8GHz, 1.50GB RAM
Now as you know this is not a great system, but when combined with the X1950GT, you will be able to play the new games. I've tested in my system some new games, and i can play them well in this system. The graphic is really good and cheap, good if you wanna give your old system a new life. So i've tested:

Crysis - I can play this game with some high features, it runs nice even in my old system, the X1950GT can pull it off and well i've seen the game in other graphic cards, and i have to say that in the X1950GT its very good. I could "play" this game with the old 6600GT 128MB DDR3 all low, but with the x1950GT i can actually play. So its nice.
Call Of Duty 4 - This is a game i could also play with the 6600GT, but with the x1950GT its much better.
Bioshock - Runs good, very good.

I've only tested this games, and even in my old system they run great. If your thinking on upgrading your AGP card and you dont wanna spend to much money, you should by this card, even in a old system you can play the new games very well, Crysis, COD4 and Bioshock run very well. When comparing with my old 6600GT its a big improvement. Its cheap and good, im really impressed.

December 5, 2007 2:50:48 AM

Nice to hear a followup on this!

I have a similar system with a similar processor, less RAM and the same N6600GT.

i decided to upgrade the whole system and buy a new one instead of just the graphics card. Good to hear yiou can play at decent res!
December 5, 2007 10:31:41 AM

Yeah, its really nice upgrade. I've tested Gears Of War, it runs nice in medium, amazing graphics the game. Its heavy for my PC, but the X1950GT can run the game well. So far i've tested:

Crysis - Tested with a few option in high, runs well even in my old pc. Impressive;
Call Of Duty 4 - With the X1950GT you can easily play this game, runs very well, also amazing graphics;
Timeshift - Runs this game with no problems, excelent graphics and gameplay;
Bioshock - Runs really well, great graphics;
Gears Of War - The most complicated of the 4 games i've tested, its heavy but the X1950GT can still give you excelent graphics and good gameplay.

So the X1950GT is really excelent, i can play all the new games very well, i've never even expected it would be so good(because of my system).
December 11, 2007 1:12:26 AM

Thanks for the update, flex. I think i will do a similiar upgrade.
December 11, 2007 6:40:40 AM

I was going to suggest the 2600XT but you already bought the 1950XT.

Nice to hear, as I used to have a 6600GT AGP as well, but decided to get an overall new system, not just GPU.

I was going to suggest the 2600XT because I thought your memory would seriously bottleneck the 1950XT
December 11, 2007 1:30:48 PM

Yes I might get the 2600. I have almost identical system as Flex.

P4 2.8ghz 1.0gb DDR 400mhz RAM
6600gt AGP

The 2600 might give similiar gaming performance to a x1950gt on my rig. Plus it may offer HD playback acceleration (if they ever get the drivers sorted out for AGP).
December 11, 2007 1:41:31 PM

Your CPU would be a bottleneck in games such as Crysis, although that 2600XT will DEFINETLY speed things up a bit.
December 11, 2007 2:15:13 PM

Pollux said:
I was going to suggest the 2600XT but you already bought the 1950XT.

Nice to hear, as I used to have a 6600GT AGP as well, but decided to get an overall new system, not just GPU.

I was going to suggest the 2600XT because I thought your memory would seriously bottleneck the 1950XT


I didn't bought the 1950XT, i bought the 1950GT AGP card just to give a last upgrade to an old system i have. Its a cheap card, but with a good performance, i think its ideal for an old system, just to get you going for some months untill the system upgrade. I've tested this video card with the new games(Crysis, Call Of Duty, etc..) and im impressed with the results. Even with the more eavy games like Crysis or Gears of war, the x1950 can give you a good gaming experience, with very good grahics and gameplay. Bioshock for example all in high runs very well. This is just to help some guys with old systems, that are thinking on a last upgrade. I've tested the most recent games with the x1950GT with a Pentium 4, 2.8GHz with 2GB Ram and the performance is great. When comparing with the previous N6600GT that i had its alot better, i cant even compare the two. Im not saying that you could play all games in high, and im not comparing with a new system and a PCIE graphic card. What im saying its that the X1950 GT can increase your gaming performance alot, if your not going to upgrade the all system and you dont wanna spend money, than this is a nice graphic.

Crysis - Runs the game reasonable well, i've tested with some high features, and i still could pull it off, however you can actually feel the system struggling. I've tested the game in a new system with an 8800GTS and the game was very good, then i tested in the old system, and even with the limitations, i was very impressed. With the X1950 GT AGP in an old system you can actually play Crysis and even watch some of the graphic delights of it. Of course it has nothing to do with a new system, but both me and a friend never never imagined the X1950 GT could do such a good joob in a game like this.
Gears Of War - Also runs reasonable well, all in medium. Even in medium the graphics are very good, and the gameplay is also nice. Also sometimes you can also feel the system strugling. But runs well and with no major issues.
Call Of Duty 4 - Nothing to say, X1950 has no problems running this game, amazing graphics and excellent gameplay, the old system doesn't even struggle to run this game.
Timeshift - Like in COD4, its also runs very well. Actually i was quite impressed with the performance in this game, the graphic performs well, the system also and its a nice gaming experience. I've also tested in the new system, and the diference is not that much. Really impressive.
Bioshock - All in high features and the games runs very well, no issues here, the system also performs well. Amazing graphics and excelent gameplay.
Orange Box - The Half Life series was also playable in the old N6600 GT, however with the x1950 GT its obviously alot better, all in high in maximum resolution and its a new experience.

So i've tested this games with my friend in a new Quad Core with a 8800GTS 4GB Ram, and then i've tested in the old system. The deferences where obviously, but i did this just to check if with an ald system you can still enjoy the new games reasonable well. And we where both impressed, if its true that with a new system the games are just wonderful and running smothly, its also true that the x1950 GT manages to give alot of life in an old system and makes it possible to play the new games very well. I did this tests based on the graphic performance and the gameplay. The games all run well in the old system with no major issues, only sometimes the system struggles to give you the experience im talking about. At the end we where amazed by this conclusion: The X1950 GT AGP works well in an old system, and you can play all the new games pretty well. At least for now! LOL
December 11, 2007 3:27:28 PM

X1950 PRO> X1950 GT> 2600 XT > 2600 PRO> X1650 PRO
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