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gigabyte said they will not be giving bios updates for its am2 boards (atleast ones based on the n-force550 chipset) to allow us to upgrade to phenom!

last year i spent £150 on an amd processor and a gigabyte am2 motherboard knowing intels core architecture was capable of gigving me more processing power.

i did this because i was lead to belive by amd that ALL current AM2 boards will support a phenom drop in upgrade so my plan was buy a cheapish dual core athlon and upgrade to quad core when the phenoms come out and become cheap.

however i emailed gigabyte to see when they will be doing a bios update for phenom and they said NEVER!

to make matters worse they lied saying that the n-force 550 chipset doesnt support phenom. i know it does... it just wont be able to clock cores up & down individualy.

i am angry at both amd and gigabyte for this, amd promised upgradability... gigabyte refused to deliver it and they lied to me. amd also kind of lied claiming that you WILL be able to upgrade. all this would have been avoided if amd had made it known that the upgrade is dependent on mobo manufactures not being cum rags.

i will not be buying gigabyte mobos again and amd can forget it unless they bring a processor to market wich rapes intel core quads and costs pennies (unlikely for the next 1/2 years i think)

ahh... feel better after getting that off my chest, hope you enjoyed my rant lol

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lol...I feel for you.

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i will not be buying gigabyte mobos again and amd can forget it unless they bring a processor to market wich rapes intel core quads and costs pennies


I think you're asking for too much. That's like saying Intel should charge less for chips that are faster than Q6600.

Kiss my A$$.
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I got the same feedback from Giga-byte for my AM2 based board as well....so much for backwards compatability indeed...I think I'll just upgrade my desktop quad to a Penryn in Jan and put the Q6600 in my VMWare server...I'll be able to get a decent board for it by then for <$100 I'm sure, and my existing P35 board that holds my Q6600 is already certified for 45nm procs...


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psymanproductions wrote :

gigabyte said they will not be giving bios updates for its am2 boards (atleast ones based on the n-force550 chipset) to allow us to upgrade to phenom!

last year i spent £150 on an amd processor and a gigabyte am2 motherboard knowing intels core architecture was capable of gigving me more processing power.

i did this because i was lead to belive by amd that ALL current AM2 boards will support a phenom drop in upgrade so my plan was buy a cheapish dual core athlon and upgrade to quad core when the phenoms come out and become cheap.

however i emailed gigabyte to see when they will be doing a bios update for phenom and they said NEVER!

to make matters worse they lied saying that the n-force 550 chipset doesnt support phenom. i know it does... it just wont be able to clock cores up & down individualy.

i am angry at both amd and gigabyte for this, amd promised upgradability... gigabyte refused to deliver it and they lied to me. amd also kind of lied claiming that you WILL be able to upgrade. all this would have been avoided if amd had made it known that the upgrade is dependent on mobo manufactures not being cum rags.

i will not be buying gigabyte mobos again and amd can forget it unless they bring a processor to market wich rapes intel core quads and costs pennies (unlikely for the next 1/2 years i think)

ahh... feel better after getting that off my chest, hope you enjoyed my rant lol



That sucks. Perhaps somebody will hack the BIOS to support the Phenoms- it will take some work but it may be possible.


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Damn, that sucks.

I hope other mobo manufacturers don't follow suit...

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I'm general after the battle. I always said - don't buy gigabyte and asus mobos! he, he
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torcida_kutina wrote :

I'm general after the battle. I always said - don't buy gigabyte and asus mobos! he, he
Buy ABIT



What's wrong with Asus mobos? They seem pretty good to me, especially in terms of releasing BIOS updates for older chipsets to run the newer chips.

I'm currently running a P965 based P5B Deluxe and it will support 45nm via a BIOS update, so I'm pretty happy about that.

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According to Anand, the 550 isn't even designed for a dualcore - let alone a quad.

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the nForce 550 is recommended for Athlon 64 (single core) and Sempron users.

 



 

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipse [...] i=2764&p=2


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MrsBytch wrote :

Dont feel bad, the new EE Intel quads wont work on the new X38's or P35's. Thats the way it goes with technology.



Just because it is not officially supported does not mean it won't WORK. Guess what the QX9770 previews were run on? That's right, X38 boards! Owned. :whistle:

Also, I love how you fail to mention any of the the other 45nm quads? Like the Q9300/Q9450/Q9550/QX9650 which all on P35/X38 and EVEN my 1.5 year old P965 P5B Deluxe!

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To quote (thank you exit2dos) that review:
"Rounding out the chipset offerings, the nForce 550 is the "value mainstream" product, taking over from the nForce4 4X. Several of the higher end options have been dropped from the 550 chipset... Whereas the other three chipsets are recommended for Athlon 64/FX/X2 users, the nForce 550 is recommended for Athlon 64 (single core) and Sempron users."
So this was an inexpensive mobo, even 18 months ago...
Don't worry friend - you don't want to put a Phenom in it, anyway.
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Message edited by the_ogs on 11-26-2007 at 09:52:58 PM

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Well, I would never buy gigabyte mobos to beign with, but in this case, you really only have yourself to blame.

While Phenoms are backwards compatible with the socket AM2 mobos, AMD did not hide the fact that they were really socket AM2+ and would need a newer chipset to take full advantage of the proc.

It's really up to the mobo maker's discretion whether to ultimately decide if they are going to offer BIOS updates to their products. Case in point, gigabyte offers a BIOS update for their 520LE mobos to accept phenom but not their (your) 550 mobos.

I would also refer you to your mobos and gigabytes OFFICIAL cpu compatibility chart.


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Gigabyte = idiots for doing this


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I just bought a new gigabyte AM2+ motherboard I hope AM2+ mobo will support AM3 chips.

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MrsBytch wrote :

Dont feel bad, the new EE Intel quads wont work on the new X38's or P35's. Thats the way it goes with technology.



This guy has said this on a bunch of threads. For the last time this is not true stop spreading F.U.D

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MrsBytch wrote :

Dont feel bad, the new EE Intel quads wont work on the new X38's or P35's. Thats the way it goes with technology.



You have mentioned this on numerous threads, but you are wrong.

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MrsBytch wrote :

Are you really dumb enough to think that someone who starts there screen name with MRS is a guy?? LOL.
Its not fud bud, there is currently no chipset in the market that (officially) supports FSB1600.



Yes and No. Intel does not officially support the QX9770 on the X38 chipset. However both Asus and Gigabyte *DO* offer manufacturer support on their X38 boards for the 1600 MHz FSB QX9770.


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I hate to say it............

But that is life in the big city.........................

Stop your griping. Some people are born without legs, or arms. You hear them bitching (Booooo! Hoooo!) I want my money back I got ripped off........no they deal with it and move on.........

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Message edited by caamsa on 11-26-2007 at 10:59:16 PM

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chunkymonster wrote :

Well, I would never buy gigabyte mobos to beign with, but in this case, you really only have yourself to blame.

While Phenoms are backwards compatible with the socket AM2 mobos, AMD did not hide the fact that they were really socket AM2+ and would need a newer chipset to take full advantage of the proc.

It's really up to the mobo maker's discretion whether to ultimately decide if they are going to offer BIOS updates to their products. Case in point, gigabyte offers a BIOS update for their 520LE mobos to accept phenom but not their (your) 550 mobos.

I would also refer you to your mobos and gigabytes OFFICIAL cpu compatibility chart.



Thats quite true, AMD didnt hide that fact, but then, they havent exactly come out and publically expounded on the limitations of using an AM2+/AM3 cpu in an AM2 board.

On the other hand, we have the fanboys and certain sites hyping the interchangability to the point that I worry poeple dont understand that there are limitations.


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Dont feel bad, the new EE Intel quads wont work on the new X38's or P35's.<