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November 27, 2007 3:02:30 PM

Colleages

I have just came back from PC shop, I have asked for the best Gaming PC to buy with up to 2500 US budget. He offer me below specification and garntee that I will need no upgrad for the next 5 years. I seek for your advice before I buy it.

Note: - Im not good in OC.
- The type of game I play :Command & Conquer 3 Tiberium Wars, Medieval II: Total War..etc


The Offer as follow for 1000 US:
Intel Core 2QUAD 2.4 GHZ 8 MB
Intel 965 Orignal M. B
1 GB DDR2 RAM (Kingston)
160 GB HARD Disk
DVD-Writter (LG 20 X)
P4 ATX case
VGA 512 Nivda 7300
& 1.44 MB sony, mouse, M.M Keyboard and 56 FAX Modem


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November 27, 2007 3:16:08 PM

Hell no, That rig is well under $1000 by a long way.... the gentlemen that gave you that quote is either a scam, not very bright or perhaps gave you a wrong list.

At least, I hope the 3rd is true. Glad you posted on here before you acted.
November 27, 2007 3:20:29 PM

That video card is crap, also for modern games you should have a least 2gb of ram I would buy the parts on newegg or similar website and put it together yourself. If your not willing or able to put it together, bring the parts to a computer store and pay them to put it together. You will get a better machine for less money.
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November 27, 2007 3:30:15 PM

Many Many Many Thanks raven_87.
Can you kindly advice how to get best gaming PC?.
They Salesman have spent half hours explainging about the Intel Core 2QUAD 2.4 GHZ 8 MB to the extent he made me beliving its going to be the best PC I will ever own it!!!
Pls help ?
November 27, 2007 3:34:36 PM


double post: i'm retarded.
November 27, 2007 3:38:26 PM

I'm not going to deny how nice a Quad Core CPU is. I have one, its a great thing; I can use DivX converter, run an AV, surf the web and listen to music at the exact same time with absolutely no slow down.

So in that respect, yes: it will be a great PC: The biggest thing you seem to be on is gaming.

Several things then. Instead of 1GB of Ram, get 2GB. At the minimum shoot for an 8600 series or HD38xx. Make certain the power supply is sufficient. 1.44mb? I assume thats a floppy drive, all good, most intelligent people still run one, but make sure you get a solid CD/DVD ROM (or preferably a combo drive) I dont know what the salesman meant by original 965 MB, but as long as it supports the necessary bus speeds for the CPU and Ram, then it fine.

If you dont need a fax modem, dont bother getting one. I guess a 160GB HDD is fine, I myself would say get a second and mirror them; but that might be a technical hassle down the road you dont want to put up with.
November 27, 2007 3:41:55 PM

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The Offer as follow for 1000 US:
Intel Core 2QUAD 2.4 GHZ 8 MB
Intel 965 Orignal M. B
1 GB DDR2 RAM (Kingston)
160 GB HARD Disk
DVD-Writter (LG 20 X)
P4 ATX case
VGA 512 Nivda 7300
& 1.44 MB sony, mouse, M.M Keyboard and 56 FAX Modem
Damn dude, I really hope you didn't buy that. He is ripping you off... lol. The processor is good, but that's about it.

For $1000 you could get the following:

CPU: Q6600 - $279-315
Mobo: Gigabyte P35-DS3R - $89.99
RAM: 2x 1GB DDR2 800 Crucial Ballistix or OCZ - $49.99 after MIR
Storage: 300GB Sata Drive - $89.00
DVD Writer: Get something from Samsung $29-39
Case: Antec 900 all the way. $69.99 after MIR
VGA / GPU: ATI 3870 (~$250) or 8800GT (~$250)
*edit* Forgot the PSU - Pretty much anything OCZ Xtream Gamer series, Corsair, PCP&C, or Silverstone.

There, now send me the remainder of the 2500 and I'd even set this whole thing up for you.
November 27, 2007 4:15:43 PM

wow thats a **** deal, esp if he said it will last 5 year, you would see game stopping working with in the next year, with DX10 and what not.

here what i would do, by a book, along the line of 'build my own PC' & 'PC building for dummies' and just follow the easy steps and save a heap of cash (in a game £50, $100 is roughly worth 35-70 extra FPS).

get a 8800gt (not gtx, or Ultra)
a minimum of 2GB of RAM, 677mhz should do it.
For you motherboard go with a x35 or 38 really as long as it has what you want on it and it can take the next generation of core2s

case doesn't have to be fancy, look on ebay for a used ATX aluminium case or something like that, such as a wave master or something

with what you have left you should be able to get at least e6600 and possibly a q6600
November 27, 2007 4:24:01 PM

NABHA said:
Colleages

I have just came back from PC shop, I have asked for the best Gaming PC to buy with up to 2500 US budget. He offer me below specification and garntee that I will need no upgrad for the next 5 years. I seek for your advice before I buy it.

Note: - Im not good in OC.
- The type of game I play :Command & Conquer 3 Tiberium Wars, Medieval II: Total War..etc


The Offer as follow for 1000 US:
Intel Core 2QUAD 2.4 GHZ 8 MB
Intel 965 Orignal M. B
1 GB DDR2 RAM (Kingston)
160 GB HARD Disk
DVD-Writter (LG 20 X)
P4 ATX case
VGA 512 Nivda 7300
& 1.44 MB sony, mouse, M.M Keyboard and 56 FAX Modem


I'm sorry bro, but you got ripped off big time.

Why don't you build one yourself? You can get a very decent rig for about 1000 USD.

I would recommend the following:
Intel Core 2 Quad 2.4Ghz -260 USD
ASUS/Gigabyte P35 board - 150 USD max
4Gb DDR2 800 RAM CL4 - 100 ~150 USD
Nvidia 8800GT - 210 USD*
500 GB HDD - 100 USD
LG DVD-RW - 30 USD
ATX Case of your choice - 50 USD

Total : 1040 USD, and this rig will last you about 2 years. Then throw in a 22", which is about 250 USD at the moment, and you get yourself a very very nice PC.

With the speed of hardware development, you'll be lucky to actually get 2~3 years out of a PC.

*For those who don't believe it, check it out yourself. :D 
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Games/produ...
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November 27, 2007 4:49:44 PM

wow what a **** (sales guy) go somewhere else and keep posting stats of potential systems
November 27, 2007 5:19:10 PM

yomoma... you forgot a decent Power Supply, tack on an extra $100.
4GB of DDR2-800? - Dont think he's dumb enough to run Vista just yet...
November 27, 2007 5:23:42 PM

Quote:
get a 8800gt (not gtx, or Ultra)
a minimum of 2GB of RAM, 677mhz should do it.
For you motherboard go with a x35 or 38 really as long as it has what you want on it and it can take the next generation of core2s

case doesn't have to be fancy, look on ebay for a used ATX aluminium case or something like that, such as a wave master or something

with what you have left you should be able to get at least e6600 and possibly a q6600


I would still just go with the Antec 900... good cooling. No reason to buy a POS case when his budget is $2500, and he is going for a 8800 which is a little space heater it self. Not like then Antec will break the bank either, $69 ($119 before rebate) and free shipping on Newegg. Hell, I even think Comp USA is selling them for $49 or $59 with no rebate. Why buy 667 MHz ram when he wants it to last 5 years? Just buy the DDR2 800, it's nearly the same price. Ah, now the X38 boards could be a good idea since they are compatible with the DDR3 and DDR2 technology. This will give him a little more room to grow on... but still no reason to move to 4GB of RAM unless you're using a 64 bit OS. If you use a 32bit OS and use 4GB of RAM, most applications won't ever use beyond 2GB of ram under full load, and your system will only recognize 2.7-3.5 GB (usually a little less after the VGA takes it's share)

Btw, I bought 3 of those 7300 cards for some work computers I was repairing. They were under $50.00 a piece. I estimate the value of that system to be ~350-400. You could probably get the same thing from dell + a 17" - 22" monitor for the same price.

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With the speed of hardware development, you'll be lucky to actually get 2~3 years out of a PC.
Yeah, I'd say anything beyond 3 years is an unrealistic goal. The speed of technology generally doubles every 2 years. It also generally shrinks with each advancement as well, which leads to less heat dissipation, power consumption, efficiency etc. Just spend $1000-1200 (you don't need a new monitor or OS each time) and be happy with the PC for 3 years.


November 27, 2007 5:24:43 PM

Right, my bad. Thanks for the reminder :D .

4Gb of DDR2 is meant for 64bit, not Vista. Given how cheap DDR2 RAM is now, it doesn't hurt that much to get that extra 2Gb. (I paid my 2Gb DDR2 for about 120 USD...which is close to the cost of 4Gb)

So ultimately the cost will still hover around 1000USD, if not lower.
November 27, 2007 5:25:37 PM

OP, please tell me you are not buying from this guy. He is a liar and is trying to rip you off. The CPU is nice, he isn't lying about that. But, everything else is BS. Only one gig of ram, 7300 video card...

There are plenty of places online to order your computer from. If you purchase one like he is trying to sell you, it would probably cost about $1000 (or maybe even less) from other sellers.

Do not go back to this person, I repeat... they are trying to scam you. Other posters have linked some online vendors which you should consider.

http://www.custompcmax.com
November 27, 2007 5:27:16 PM

rgeist554 said:
Btw, I bought 3 of those 7300 cards for some work computers I was repairing. They were under $50.00 a piece. I estimate the value of that system to be ~350-400. You could probably get the same thing from dell + a 17" - 22" monitor for the same price.

Quote:
With the speed of hardware development, you'll be lucky to actually get 2~3 years out of a PC.
Yeah, I'd say anything beyond 3 years is an unrealistic goal. The speed of technology generally doubles every 2 years. It also generally shrinks with each advancement as well, which leads to less heat dissipation, power consumption, efficiency etc.


rgeist554's Law? :kaola:  :kaola: 
November 27, 2007 5:37:19 PM

Hey! I read your post :D  plus I watch too much science / discovery while at work, and read technology articles 100% of the time that everything is working around here. :)  I love being a network admin, because if everything is working... everyone is happy and you're left alone. There was a really interesting show that focused mainly on CPU's and general computing technology. (Just look how we go from Single Core 2Ghz > SC 4Ghz > DC 2.4 Ghz > QC 2.4 Ghz... just wait for the Octo-Core!)
November 27, 2007 6:01:20 PM

To ALL

Big Thank and you have provided me with good tips. And thanks god I consulted you.

Cheers

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November 27, 2007 6:57:14 PM

Just FYI: if you go to a salesman and ask "what can you give me for $2500", you often end up with something bad that does cost $2500. Never tell the salesman in advance how much money you have. That goes for PCs, cars, repairs, etc. That guy is definitely a crook, stay away from him.

May I ask what country you're in? Somebody here may be able to point you to a good place.

!