GB 965P-DS3 &e6550 or e6750

I have a new GA-965P-DS3 (rev. 3.3) mobo. I was originally going to build with an E6600. But with the new 1333 FSB chips out (E6X50 series), I'm thinking of using the E6550 (or maybe an E6750). This board (rev.3.3) was promoted as being able to take the higher FSB chips with a BIOS update, but I haven't talked to anybody who has actually dropped one of the newer chips in that board.

Would probably be easier to either get a P35 board or use the E6600 CPU ... but the E6550 is nearly $70 cheaper than the E6600 ... and the P35 boards would be an additional $150+ Anybody have this board and have successfully dropped an E6X50 series CPU in? I don't want to have to "waste" this board.

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What chip do you have in it now?
If none, I would not go for either chip.
Rather I would go for the E4500 for $125 from NewEgg.

The The 965P-DS3 has a relatively low FSB wall compared to the P35 boards. While that chip may work, you are better off with something like the E4500 or maybe a Q6600.

Both of these chips can be set to run much faster than any of the 1333FSB chips in the 965board.

Reply to zenmaster

^ Rev 3.3 supports native 1333FSB. OP; i recommend you get a E6550 and OC( Note that the OC will not be big due to chip set limitations). Btw, the P35-DS3L is only $95.

http://www.gigabyte-usa.com/Suppor [...] uctID=2428
This list that the rev 3.3 supports E6550 with F12 BIOS.

Message edited by Shadow703793 on 12-16-2007 at 07:10:21 PM

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Reply to Shadow703793

@zenmaster - Yeah, the E4500 Allendale is an option I thought about, but I'm kind of focusing on the Conroe (probably the e6550, if the board will "accept" it). I don't want to spend the Q6600 money on this board. That will probably be a Nehalem chip and the appropriate board when those chipsets are out.

@Shadow7037 93 - yeah, the P35-DS3L is an option too, but I need/want to use this board with my last legit copy of XP Pro.

I'd probably think of a Nehalem chip and board with Vista, if that SP1 fixes a lot of the current issues people are having. I'm hopeing to get 1-2 years out of this build ... without having to go to the P35 boards.

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Reply to Jake_Barnes

If you need it now go with e2180 or e2200, then upgrade next month.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/c [...] html#sect0

Reply to roadrunner197069

The E6xxx series are not the Conroe.

You do realize that the E4500 and the E2200 will actually OC to much higher speeds and performance levels than the E6550 or E6750 on that motherboard?

The reason is that the your board will have a very tough time going very far beyond the 1333 FSB to let you push those chips to the limit.

It's not a bad board, I actually have one myself.
They will just not OC the 1333FSB chips well due to the FSB limit.

The 800FSB Chips will OC like demons.
Also, the E4500 is a very recent stepping and is quite fast and efficient.
You should be able to hit 3.4Ghz on that w/o much thought.

I doubt either of the other chips would OC that high on that board.
Even if you OC'd that Mobo to 1600Mhz, you would only be getting 3.1Ghz out of the E6750 and much less from the E6550. And I don't think that board will hit that speed so you will see even less.

If you are looking for a short-term answer, I would do the E2160 and take it to 3.4Ghz or so. Then upgrade the Mobo and Chip to thet Conroe. If it's longer term, the E4500 would be a good deal with twice the cache of the E2160s.

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The E6xxx series are not the Conroe.

Intel Core 2 Duo E6550 Conroe 2.33GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 Dual-Core Processor

I don't plan to OC much, if at all. I want the 4mb cache

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Reply to Jake_Barnes

I was thinking of the Penryn which is coming out.

If you don't want to OC, then that is fine.
They just OC, so easily most seem to do it.

I know I have my C2D OC'd an extra 1.2Ghz and have reduced the voltage to below stock values so it runs extra cool.

Message edited by zenmaster on 12-16-2007 at 10:12:34 PM

Reply to zenmaster

Cache makes a minimal difference in reviews that I have seen.

Reply to roadrunner197069

I am happily running a E6850 on the GA-965P-DS3 rev 2.0 so you should have no problems. All I needed was a current bios update.

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Message edited by geofelt on 12-16-2007 at 10:37:08 PM

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geofelt wrote :

I am happily running a E6850 on the GA-965P-DS3 rev 2.0 so you should have no problems. All I needed was a current bios update.

Thanks, that's the info (confirmation) that I was looking for.

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Reply to Jake_Barnes

Jake, I agree with zenmaster. The E4500 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819115031 - is the best match for that board. It's inexpensive ($124.99), and will run with inexpensive 667 RAM. It has an 11x multiplier, so it will overclock very easily to 3.0Ghz, while maintaining safe temperatures with low Vcore on the stock cooler.

Comp :sol:

Message edited by CompuTronix on 12-17-2007 at 12:32:04 AM

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Thanks Comp, but I already have 4 GB of CORSAIR XMS2 DDR2 800 Ram ... and a couple of decent after-market coolers. Maybe I should just drop in the Q6600 - it's only money.

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Reply to Jake_Barnes

Again, you're goning to be FSB limited on that board due to the 9x multiplier, and I'm uncertain as to whether the Q6600 is compatible with the latest BIOS.

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Xigmatek HDT-S1283 | Push-Pull Fans
Core i7 and Core 2 Temperature Guide --> http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/ [...] ture-guide
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CompuTronix wrote :

Again, you're goning to be FSB limited on that board due to the 9x multiplier, and I'm uncertain as to whether the Q6600 is compatible with the latest BIOS.

Yeah, the Q6600 is compatible with this board with the F12 bios.

http://www.gigabyte-usa.com/Suppor [...] uctID=2428

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Reply to Jake_Barnes

Excellent. If you're OK with being constrained to a 3.0Ghz OC, then by all means go for it.

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The FSB wall on that board is not very low as many have stated. They "unofficially" support FSB1333 and my Gigabyte 965P-S3 has been running solid 1600 FSB for nearly a year, and it's my E6400 (8x multi, same as the E6750) that's running out of headroom; I suspect 450+ is achievable, as it was on many P965 boards. I was in the market for a new mobo when P965s were the shiz, so I am well researched in their overclocking potential.

If you're overclocking, which you should, the E6550 is not attractive due to its low multiplier. Assuming you can achieve 400FSB, which I am almost certain you can, that's only 2.8Ghz, with the plus being that temps and voltages will likely be able to remain stock. An E6750 will push 3.2Ghz at 400FSB with possible mild voltage increase.

However, if you're sticking to the dual core train and not ready to plunge on the quad, taking overclocking and price/performance into account, the E4x00 line is unbeatable. The dropped 2Mbs of cache is a small (~5%) performance hit, however, their high multis and low FSBs allow you to push them to the highest clock limit either your cooling or the chip itself will allow, typically 3.4~3.6Ghz or so with good cooling. The clock advantage overlaps the cache deficit, and the price of an E4500 + good air cooler is the same as an E6750 alone.

Edit: I have to disagree with Comp, if you go with the Quad, you should be able to go fairly higher than 3Ghz, 3.6Ghz tops though.

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Message edited by JuiceJones on 12-17-2007 at 02:06:02 AM

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zenmaster wrote :

The E6xxx series are not the Conroe.

Actually the E6xxx series IS the Conroe, except perhaps the 6320 and 6420. The 6300 and 6400 were Conroes with half the cache disabled (released BEFORE Alendale) but were mistakenly called Alendales anyway...the 6600's etc are all Conroes, even the quad-core Kentsfields consist of two Conroe cores.

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JuiceJones wrote :

The FSB wall on that board is not very low as many have stated. They "unofficially" support FSB1333 and my Gigabyte 965P-S3 has been running solid 1600 FSB for nearly a year, and it's my E6400 (8x multi, same as the E6750) that's running out of headroom; I suspect 450+ is achievable, as it was on many P965 boards. I was in the market for a new mobo when P965s were the shiz, so I am well researched in their overclocking potential.

If you're overclocking, which you should, the E6550 is not attractive due to its low multiplier. Assuming you can achieve 400FSB, which I am almost certain you can, that's only 2.8Ghz, with the plus being that temps and voltages will likely be able to remain stock. An E6750 will push 3.2Ghz at 400FSB with possible mild voltage increase.

However, if you're sticking to the dual core train and not ready to plunge on the quad, taking overclocking and price/performance into account, the E4x00 line is unbeatable. The dropped 2Mbs of cache is a small (~5%) performance hit, however, their high multis and low FSBs allow you to push them to the highest clock limit either your cooling or the chip itself will allow, typically 3.4~3.6Ghz or so with good cooling. The clock advantage overlaps the cache deficit, and the price of an E4500 + good air cooler is the same as an E6750 alone.

Edit: I have to disagree with Comp, if you go with the Quad, you should be able to go fairly higher than 3Ghz, 3.6Ghz tops though.

Do you think this ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro would be good enough to OC some of these chips? I have that cooler and an CM Hyper TX 2 ...

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Message edited by Jake_Barnes on 12-17-2007 at 07:40:48 PM

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Reply to Jake_Barnes

Jake_Barnes wrote :

Do you think this ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro would be good enough to OC some of these chips? I have that cooler and an CM Hyper TX 2 ...

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2 [...] _and_212/6

Here's a review of the TX2 compared to the Freezer 7. Looks like the Arctic Cooling is the way to go, a solid mid-range heatsink/fan that should keep your Core 2 at acceptable temps past 3Ghz.

Message edited by JuiceJones on 12-17-2007 at 08:08:31 PM

Reply to JuiceJones

If you ment to post a link to that review ... it's not there.

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Reply to Jake_Barnes

Haha, yeah. Fixed that.

Reply to JuiceJones

I don't think I'd buy a new cooler for a 3C difference.

Reply to Crashman

I've already got both coolers - so yeah, I'd probably use the AC Freezer 7 Pro. I got the CM Hyper TX 2 on a $.99 Newegg special. So I might use it someday, or give it away.

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