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November 25, 2007 3:03:58 AM

Alright, building my new comp and doing lots of research with it, this is still a work in progress and want to know what some people think, now i have one of 2 decisions, but ill list both builds... also taking into consideration i dont want to spend over 1 grand on it

Build 1:
(all prices are from newegg and are after rebates)

PSU- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... - 99.99
(for sli or crossfire if needed)

Proccesor- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... - 159.99
(would go intel, but dont want to overclock)

ram- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... - 94.99
(for right now im using 4x1 gig but ive heard 2x2 gig is better, is this true or not?)

gpu- x2 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...(crossfired) - 259.98
(the main reason im not using a dx-10 card is, ive heard it doesnt work with xp pro 64bit, is this true?)

motherbrd- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... - 69.99

total - 684.95

total isnt including a case, whats a good case, i want a mid tower with a window

now for my second build im going a little different route

Build 2:

PSU- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... - 99.99
(for sli or crossfire if needed)

Proccesor- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... - 159.99
(would go intel, but dont want to overclock)

ram- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... - 94.99
(for right now im using 4x1 gig but ive heard 2x2 gig is better, is this true or not?)

gpu- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... - 299.99

motherbrd- i havent really found a board a like, any suggestions, id like it to be under 150 if possible and sli ready would be nice

again any case suggestions would be nice

now as a final statement, my main question is to go to either xp pro 64 bit or vista 64 bit,

ive heard so many bad things about vista, and i cant really decide if its the right way to go, this is going to be a gaming comp and i heard that it usues full resources just to run it cause it preloads all your operations...

a little insight onto how vista works and if its good for a gamer would also be appreciated...

now i would just like to know your opinions on my build and any suggestions are welcome (i like criticiszm)

thanks for your time

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November 25, 2007 3:19:12 AM

Hmmm, tough choice, click all your links to see what you're talking about, or go to sleep seeing as it's midnight...
November 25, 2007 3:20:28 AM

I'm srry I really don't want to go to through the links... please just post the simple names. Not tired or anything just lazy... like 50% of americans. Even though I'm a 15 year old chinese kid in canada...
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November 25, 2007 3:30:29 AM

lol alright, give me a sec
November 25, 2007 3:35:12 AM

well its only 1134 here and im a night person so im antsy for advice lol

well anyways wouldnt let me edit so im reposting

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Alright, building my new comp and doing lots of research with it, this is still a work in progress and want to know what some people think, now i have one of 2 decisions, but ill list both builds... also taking into consideration i dont want to spend over 1 grand on it

Build 1:
(all prices are from newegg and are after rebates)

PSU- Thermaltake W0116RU Complies with ATX 12V 2.2 & EPS 12V version 750W Power Supply - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... - 99.99
(for sli or crossfire if needed)

Proccesor- AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ Windsor 3.0GHz Socket AM2 Processor Model ADX6000CZBOX - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... - 159.99
(would go intel, but dont want to overclock)

ram- OCZ Platinum 4GB(4 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Quad Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ2P8004GQ - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... - 94.99
(for right now im using 4x1 gig but ive heard 2x2 gig is better, is this true or not?)

gpu- POWERCOLOR X1950PRO512MBAC Radeon X1950PRO 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
x2 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...(crossfired) - 259.98
(the main reason im not using a dx-10 card is, ive heard it doesnt work with xp pro 64bit, is this true?)

motherbrd- ECS KA3 MVP (V1.0A) AM2 AMD 580X CrossFire ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... - 69.99

total - 684.95

total isnt including a case, whats a good case, i want a mid tower with a window

now for my second build im going a little different route

Build 2:

PSU-Thermaltake W0116RU Complies with ATX 12V 2.2 & EPS 12V version 750W Power Supply - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... - 99.99
(for sli or crossfire if needed)

Proccesor- AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ Windsor 3.0GHz Socket AM2 Processor Model ADX6000CZBOX - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... - 159.99
(would go intel, but dont want to overclock)

ram- OCZ Platinum 4GB(4 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Quad Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ2P8004GQ - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... - 94.99
(for right now im using 4x1 gig but ive heard 2x2 gig is better, is this true or not?)

gpu- EVGA 512-P3-N802-A3 GeForce 8800GT Superclocked 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... - 299.99

motherbrd- i havent really found a board a like, any suggestions, id like it to be under 150 if possible and sli ready would be nice

again any case suggestions would be nice

now as a final statement, my main question is to go to either xp pro 64 bit or vista 64 bit,

ive heard so many bad things about vista, and i cant really decide if its the right way to go, this is going to be a gaming comp and i heard that it usues full resources just to run it cause it preloads all your operations...

a little insight onto how vista works and if its good for a gamer would also be appreciated...

now i would just like to know your opinions on my build and any suggestions are welcome (i like criticiszm)

thanks for your time
November 25, 2007 3:36:24 AM

and im kinda lazy to say i just copied and pasted the part names so u might still have to click links lol
November 25, 2007 3:39:06 AM

The main parts all fit well it's a solid build. and Asus Crosshair is a good board. I believe Vista SP1 fixes ALOT of game problems. as in more frames per second vvise. Vista? Does nothing that XP can't do besides DX10 which even XP can do but Mircosoft wants more money. Besides DX10? Eye candy! lots of and lots of eyecandy. And the supposed ability to report you to the FBI for having illegal music.
November 25, 2007 3:44:22 AM

lol well then maybe vistas a bad idea ; )

but then what would be better, build 1 or 2 taking in mind that i might use vista now
November 25, 2007 3:50:13 AM

it's basically 1950pro 880GT obviously 8800GT wins so builld 2
November 25, 2007 4:03:05 AM

I just ordered an XFX 680i SLI mobo from amazon..... $110 shipped, and picked up an antec nine hundred case for $100 before rebate and I love the case, it's awesome for gamers.
November 25, 2007 4:12:01 AM

Yeah, 8800GT beats the x1950Pro by a large margin.

BTW, www.ncixus.com has a BFG 8800GT OC2, same price as your eVGA, but it's in stock.

2x2GB is better than 4x1GB because you only use 2 DIMM slots and you can get to 8 GB later.

Antec 900 is not very expensive and has great cooling. The 8800GT needs that.

:lol:  Vista won't report you to the FBI. it will just make your expensive high-def equipment run in crappy mode if it thinks you pirated the movie. And apparently they messed up, it thinks that a lot, even if you didn't pirate the movie.
They'll probably fix that at some point, even if it annoys movie companies, because annoying the customers is worse. I'm sure SP1 will have some changes to that area.

November 25, 2007 4:17:36 AM

djlazlow said:
I just ordered an XFX 680i SLI mobo from amazon..... $110 shipped, and picked up an antec nine hundred case for $100 before rebate and I love the case, it's awesome for gamers.


That's a very nice deal. monste4321, if you get the same mobo just add an E6750 for $190. It's a better deal than X2 6000+ at $160, IMO, even without overclocking. Play with these benchmarks to decide:
http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu_2007.html?modelx=33&model1=921&model2=873&chart=421
November 25, 2007 4:29:28 AM

Or you can do what I'm gonna do.....eat noodles for a week and get a Q6600 for $280.....I think it's worth it.
November 25, 2007 4:47:36 AM

lol its not that i couldnt spend 5 grand on a computer, its that i dont want to, my budget that ive set aside for a comp is 1 grand, the rest is going to my new motorcycle, and why may i ask would a 2.66ghz e6750 be better then a 3.0 ghz 6000+ (not criticizing, truthfully asking) and since much of my movies are not on true dvds and i have a nice big monitor and like watching movies on it, how badly does it really affect the video using vista and i coulda gotta the antec 900 for 50 shipped during neweggs thanksgiving deal lol, to late now
November 25, 2007 5:17:10 AM

....and before I forget, DON'T NEVER EVER spend $5k on a rig, unless of course you're filthy rich.
November 25, 2007 5:21:45 AM

lol i didnt really plan on it, motorcycle is more important then comp games imop haha...chicks dig wheels not ur nerdy gaming abilities, (dont want to offend anyone, just a joke)
November 25, 2007 5:26:13 AM

no wonder I still live with my mom... :S
November 25, 2007 5:26:17 AM

ok, i was reading the link u gave me djlazlow and what exactly are those benchmarks testing for, and while im at it, i know u only need around 2.5ghz to run most games, but what does that extra ghz do you when ur not in the gaming world, and will the extra ghz help u in the future, and i really dont wanna overclock a cpu beause then ill have to get a aftermarket cooler, and i dont feel like it lol
November 25, 2007 5:27:12 AM

haha it dont matter if u live at home, its how much time u spend at the girls house ; )
November 25, 2007 5:36:33 AM

Well if you look below where you choose the 2 CPU models u can choose the benchmark to see how they perform in that particular test. The requirement of 2.5ghz is usually the "minimum required", but for the "recommended"(the experience the game developer intended) they usually recommend faster processors.....like 3.0 ghz or an equivalent dual core. I've also heard that a slow processor could bottleneck your GPU, but I don't think this will be the case cuz it looks like they're pretty equal. But if you go with the e6750 you can pair it up with the 680i SLI mobo I was talking about. http://www.amazon.com/XFX-NVIDIA-nForce-Intel-Motherboa...
November 25, 2007 3:15:36 PM

is there any advantages going for an intel motorbrd over an amd one, and do intels get hot at all
November 25, 2007 4:48:55 PM

monste4321 said:
is there any advantages going for an intel motorbrd over an amd one, and do intels get hot at all


Well I'm particularly attracted to the Core 2 Duo's, wanted one ever since they came out. I really can't tell you much about AMD processors, I only have one in a laptop which I don't use. Right now the Pentium D 945 I have in a cheap case and with stock heatsink idles at 35 C.
November 25, 2007 7:52:24 PM

You can't compare Intel and AMD processors based on GHz, because they use different architectures. Intel's Core 2 processors do more work than AMD's X2 at the same clock, that's why the E6750 gets better results than the X2 6000+ even if it runs at a lower GHz.

Totally agreed about the Q6600, it's a smarter solution for the long term than either E6750 or X2 6000+. I didn't suggest it because I thought that $1K budget was fixed, but if you can afford another $80 it's worth it.
November 25, 2007 9:20:38 PM

well actually i would like to go cheaper lol, whats the cheapest intel cpu i could go with that i could overclock to aprox 2.8ghz- 3.0ghz also i would prob then need a good cooling solution for it, any good heatsink recomendations? the whole reason i went with amd in the first place is cause its cheaper
November 25, 2007 9:59:05 PM

E2180, $90, Arctic Cooling Freezer 7, $27
November 25, 2007 10:09:29 PM

well doesnt the lower fsb hurt it at all, (i dont know what u actually overclock when overclocking, do u change fsb as well as ghz, or what)

what exactly are you overclocking when u overclock a cpu
November 25, 2007 10:36:46 PM

aevm said:

:lol:  Vista won't report you to the FBI. it will just make your expensive high-def equipment run in crappy mode if it thinks you pirated the movie. And apparently they messed up, it thinks that a lot, even if you didn't pirate the movie.
They'll probably fix that at some point, even if it annoys movie companies, because annoying the customers is worse. I'm sure SP1 will have some changes to that area.


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November 25, 2007 10:39:49 PM

aevm said:
E2180, $90, Arctic Cooling Freezer 7, $27



Yup, very true. E2180+Arctic Cooling Freezer 7(or better)= Awsome proformence for <$110
November 25, 2007 10:44:51 PM

would you get the same preformance from clocking a e2180 to lets say 3ghz or by overclocking the e6750 to 3ghz, or would you get the same preformance
November 26, 2007 12:43:47 AM

I think the E6750 would do better because it has more cache.
November 26, 2007 12:59:11 AM

can u over clock cache, and what does cache actually do
November 26, 2007 1:19:06 AM

Cache is a fast type of RAM, it stores frequently used things so they can be found faster. You can't overclock it separately, it's part of the CPU.
November 26, 2007 1:34:14 AM

does the cache increase when u overclock a cpu at all?
November 26, 2007 1:58:46 AM

Nope.
November 26, 2007 2:12:17 AM

what does fsb do for a cpu and is that overclockable
November 26, 2007 3:08:12 AM

alright im gonna read through that, thanks for the link
November 26, 2007 3:26:26 AM

Intel Q6600@ @newegg.com $300
XFX 680i SLI Motherboard @amazon.com $110
Antec Nine Hundred case @newegg.com $130
OCZ GameXstream 700w SLI Certified @newegg.com $140
OCZ Platinum 4 gb (4x1G) @newegg.com $145
BFG 8800GT OC (sold out everywhere) @compusa.com $275

Total price including shipping and taxes and before rebates= $1100

Minus rebates - $120

Price after rebates $980
(not including OS, CD-ROMs, and hard drive)

As a good alternative you can replace the Q6600 with an E6750
and slash another $100 off the total price = $880

This is something similar to what I'm gonna do, and I think anyone will agree this is a strong mid-ranged system and it leaves open the possibility of dropping another 8800 GT in the future ( The PSU is certified for dual 8800 GT's).
November 26, 2007 3:43:53 AM

alright well i was gonna go with the e6750, and the nvidia mob and nvidia gpu, and prob the ocz platnium 4x2 but otherwise its pretty similar
November 26, 2007 3:48:27 AM

whoa....that's a lot of RAM.
November 26, 2007 4:07:04 PM

i mean 2x2
November 26, 2007 5:16:27 PM

all get amd!!! dont let them go down!!!! i got my x2 4000 to 3.33ghz comon guys!!!! and get the hd 3750 for a little more help for amd!! ahhhhh!!!
November 26, 2007 6:36:20 PM

lol well im kinda set right now on the 8800 gt, and really im prob just gonna wait till the new year and see what happens to the prices, hopefully they go down in my favor, ive waited this long already, another month wont hurt, now im just looking into more specifics and overclocking, but thanks for all the info so far
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