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November 28, 2007 2:37:56 AM

Hello :) 

I see there are tons of posts on this sort of thing, hate to start a new one, but each person's plans are different, so here it goes.

I'm planning on building a new system, but I've been out of the 'loop' for a while, so I was hoping for some suggestions on hardware.

I'm expecting to have to upgrade Motherboard / CPU / GPU / memory / PSU / hard drive, possibly CD drive too.

Here's my current system for reference (don't laugh.. okay laugh) :) 

Windows XP home (happy with this, but vista is a possibility if I can get upgrade prices from xp?)
Asus P4S533 motherboard mini (I fried my better board by ... well nevermind... it's fried ) :ouch: 
P4 2.53 ghz cpu
SB XFI Xtreme audio

VisionTek ATI radeon x1950pro AGP (Just got this upgrade, noticed almost no increase in FPS ) :sarcastic: 
Onboard LAN
1.5gb DDR RAM

Maxtor 200gb hard drive (not sure on the speed, but it's nothing fancy)
Sony DVD rom R/W
350 watt generic PSU
Linksys BEFSR41 router



The games I'm currently playing are World of Warcraft, and Battlefield 2142

WoW runs pretty well, but gets very high latency in highly populated cities, and gets 30 - 60 fps average, but as low as 10-12 in busy places. My brothers PC doesn't have this latency problem on the same router and server, so I suspect it's hardware related.

BF2142 works, but only on small maps, with all the settings all the way down, and even then I rarely break 15 fps, usually 9 to 11 fps. I'm actually amazed I can play it at all.

Also, I'm hoping to be able to run at least some of the yet-to-be-released games in the future.


I've got about $1200 to $1500 to spend (cheaper the better obviously, but this new system needs to last me for 3-4 years minimum, so i'm flexible)

I'm thinking about a dual core with 2gb ddr2 min. I'd like a motherboard with at least 2-3 PCIe slots, and I understand some come with one slot at 16 bit for video cards. I am interested in SLI as an option as well.

The problem is, I really don't know much about the multi-core processors, or higher end hardware, especially when it comes to brand name stuff compared to 'generic' brands. If you have brand name suggestions, I'm all ears.

What would you go with if you had my budget?

Thanks a bunch!

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November 28, 2007 3:01:49 AM

Firstly, welcome to the forums.

Secondly, the build(As it's late I won't link to the actual products):

-It seems like you are an OCer. Fried Mobo, 5.33 clock, etc. Would you be looking to OC on this system? If so, I might suggest the Intel E6750. It can be OCed to some very high speeds, but comes with a very respectable 2.66GHz clock...at ~$190.00

-Do you have any specific needs for the computer? Dabbaling in firewire? Looking to RAID the HDDs? If not, a very good basic board with excellent OCing capabilities. Even if you aren't going to OC, I would go for this one: Gigabyte P35 DS3L

-Hdd is personal preference, really. For you I would think a standard Western Digital or Seagate 7.2k RPM HDD would suit you...say 320GBs?

-Optical Drives are really personal preference. You can stick a DVD writer in for just about $30.00 now-a-days.

-Power supplies. Said to be one of the most important components of a system(won't boot without one ;)  ). You could probably get away with 500W on this build, but you could go higher for more efficiency. If you check out this: http://www.tomswiki.com/page/Tiered+PSU+Listings?t=anon , you should try to pick one from tier 3 or higher.

-Quite a few options for a GPU as of late with the release of all the new cards. Stuff that looks like it may be in your budget: 3870. 8800GT, possibly the G92 8800GTS refresh w/ 128 sp...which will come out ~a week or two. I personally just ordered a 8800GT.

-Ram...really is affected by which OS you choose. Xp runs fine with less ram, vista likes to have 2GB+...If I was in your shoes, I would most likely go for 4x1GB or 2x2GB of pretty much any ram. Prices are very cheap on ram right now.

-OS is really a personal choice. Remember though...32bit OS can only use ~3gb of ram, whereas a 64bit could use more.

Hope I helped,
-Adam

P.S. Sorry that I tapered out towards the bottom, have to leave.
November 28, 2007 3:05:02 AM

I'm actually in the rebuilding process and this is what i'm gonna do....
Antec Nine Hundred case $100
XFX 680i LT SLI $110
Intel Q6600 $290
OCZ Platinum 2 x 1GB (for now)$85
OCZ GameXstream 700w SLI Certified PSU $140
Re-use dual Lite-ON DVD-RWs
Re-use 250g WD SATA HD
and when it becomes available i'm getting a 8800 GT for around $280

all for $725 including taxes and shipping and before mail in rebates ( like $120 worth) and with enough PSU power and motherboard do drop a second 8800 GT if the need arises.
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November 28, 2007 3:10:14 AM

Thanks for the replies guys :) 

Ya, that p4 2.53 ghz chip is overclocked to 5.33, I've got a radiator and cooling fan from an 82 Chevy Chevette taped on top of it for cooling.

I didn't mean 5.33 ghz.. that's supposed to be 2.53ghz - lol - that's one helluva overclock!

I'm looking over prices for the hardware you guys suggested now. I do have a couple weeks till I can start ordering, so that yet to be released card is interesting.

I'm aware of the RAM limits on XP, but 3gb usable by XP should still be plenty, not?
November 28, 2007 3:17:15 AM

I say 2 gb of good quality RAM in dual channel is plenty for XP, but that's just me.
November 28, 2007 3:45:41 AM

Okay his a quick and dirty setup to keep you in budget.
q6600 - $280 Loads of power for present and future games.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU - 8800gt or AMD 3870 Either will do you well. 8800gt is better, but not currently available.
8800gt ~$270 when in stock, should be around $250 when supplies come back.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
3870 ~$270 when in stock, should be around $230 when supplies come back.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

mobo - $90-$140 SLI I believe is over-rated, unless your using a 30" monitor or using high resolutions. I'd go with a p35 based mobo, Gigabyte DS3L (no RAID), Abit IP35-e (no RAID), or their siblings with RAID (DS3R/IP35). Make sure these boards have the options that you want.
DS3R - $137 shipped
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Abit IP35 - $137 shipped
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Memory - $60 for 2x1 Crucial Ballistix at newegg.com. Make sure you get the Cas 4 stuff (4-4-4-12). These like to be OC'd and don't cost an arm and a leg right now!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case - $120 - $50 MIR = $70 Antec 900 is on sale at newegg.com w/MIR. This is a solid case and quite cool = good OC'ing :) 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU - PLEASE don't skimp here. This will be the most important part on your build, especially if you want to upgrade your GPU later.
$130 shipped
PC Power & Cooling Silencer 610 EPS12V EPS12V 610W Continuous @ 40°C Power Supply 100 - 240 V UL, cUL, CE, CB, TUV - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or
$101 shipped - $10 MIR = $91 Minimum that I'd get for a possible SLI setup.
Corsair HX Series CMPSU-520HX 520W Power Supply Retail
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...
or
$70 shipped - $10 MIR = $60! Minimum for single GPU setup on 8800gt
CORSAIR CMPSU-450VX 450W Active Power Supply Retail
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

HD - $80 shipped Minimum size to build with these days.
Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD3200AAKS 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

DVD Burner - $38 shipped Retail version w/software. PLUS it's a SATA drive!!!
LITE-ON Black 20X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 20X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA DVD Burner with LightScribe - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total with ~$270 for GPU and using PCP&P PSU = ~$1125 - $50 Antec 900 MIR = $1075!!! Not too bad. Obviously there are other ways you can go with this, but this should be a sound and solid setup. If you change the PSU/mobo options you could even save up to ~$90 on those along, thus putting you under the $1k mark. It's all up to you, but I'd use that $200-500 savings on the next GPU upgrade later.
November 28, 2007 5:03:24 AM

My research led me to this set up.

Q6600 SLACR, Corsair Dominator PC-8500 1066Mhz, Foxconn X38A Motherboard, Asetek LCLC Cpu Cooling, Samsung DVD 20X DL DVD Burner, Ultra Gladiator ATX Tower, HIS HD 3870

November 28, 2007 5:09:33 AM

iStoke said:
My research led me to this set up.

Q6600 SLACR, Corsair Dominator PC-8500 1066Mhz, Foxconn X38A Motherboard, Asetek LCLC Cpu Cooling, Samsung DVD 20X DL DVD Burner, Ultra Gladiator ATX Tower, HIS HD 3870

How much did this setup cost you? Was it $1200 or less, including all the parts?
November 28, 2007 5:19:06 AM

That portion did, yes! Under 1100 actually... I can give links to products if you are interested....
November 28, 2007 6:50:07 AM

iStoke said:
That portion did, yes! Under 1100 actually... I can give links to products if you are interested....

Yeah, but I was talking about the whole PC, not just that portion. You already were over $200 more on just the Mobo and the memory, so can't see how your were under $1100 for the completed PC.
November 28, 2007 1:09:58 PM

Great information everybody, I'm still checking out everything you have posted.

One question though. Since the 8800GT and GTS aren't in stock anywhere yet, if it should come time to order and I still can't find any available, what would your next GPU recommendation be for a little more money?

Thanks !!
November 28, 2007 1:20:01 PM

Errr...ATI 3870. Although, that is bound to be out of stock also.
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