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hey guys, I just over clocked my E2160 for the first time tonight. My PC is running much faster but I need to know if I did everything right, Could I post a screen shot of CPU-Z for you to be able to tell if all is set right or would I need to take a picture of my BIOS?

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CPUz should be fine.
 
Host a pic somewhere we can tell you if anything looks a bit off.

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ok here it is, I read somewhere online that I am supposed to change the PCI-E to 100. I did that not knowing much about it, would that be a loss of graphics from my GeForce 8800?
 
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2258/clock2te6.th.jpg

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Setting your PCIE bus to 100 is to ensure that your motherboard doesn't automatically overclock it.  100 is the standard and stable.
 
You should be able to push your FSB to 333 reliably.  I have that going at home, at stock voltage.  If your cooling is adequate, do that.  Just be sure to set your RAM multiplier accordingly.
 
What RAM are you using?

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Depending on your board and chipset 400fsb is pretty easy to obtain but at 400x9 your getting 3.6ghz which may be a bit extreme for you.
 
Assuming you have DDR2 800 memory it should be pretty stable with a 1:1 fsb:memory ratio; may say 1:2 in your bios.  However, I'd recommend setting the CPU at 6x multiplier as you test for FSB stability then raising the multiplier later.  400x8 for 3.2ghz is still pretty fast though.

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Hey, can you do me a favor and DL core temp version 0.96.1 and run it, look at the VID field, note it, then run prime 95 or some other powerful program and watch the VID area and make sure it doesnt change, then post that VID here, please?
 
Every single e 2160 I checked was a 1.3250 chip.
 
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thanks for your help guys. I only have the heatsink fan that came with it so I wont be clocking it anymore til I get the Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro. I dont have DDR2 800. I think its DDR2 667 or something. I have no idea how to set the RAM multiplier..
 
@ Lupiron I will have a chance to do that later tonight even though I dont understand one bit why I am doing it lol. I will post as soon as I can.

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Thanks! The VID effects your overclock greatly, as it is your CPUs' starting voltage at stock!  
 
For instance. If you had a 1.2500 VID chip, it would OC greatly over a 1.3250 one.  
 
Memory. You have a FSB of 270 to get that OC, DDR2 works on a x2 multi, so if your FSB is 270, 270 x 2 = 540 DDR2 at a 1 to 1 ratio. You prolly have it set at a weird ratio to go over that. No big deal as long as it isnt much past 700 Mhz.
 
I would recommend you test to see if its stable a little faster with decent temps. Try setting the CPU multiplier to 8. (Unless its locked!) Then the FSB to 333, then your memory divider to Sync mode, or 1:1.
 
Thats 2664Mhz of the Processor, and 667 on your RAM, in sync. That will gain you the most performance. Its a decent OC of your processor, and full use of your RAM, without a low FSB and a divider to make up for it.
 
Keep this in mind. FSB = The pathway for data going to and from your RAM! If that is running as high as your ram, you get full potential from your RAM.  
 
For instance, I have ddr2 1066 and at stock my q6600 FSB is 266. If the ram is 1066 and the data pathway between the ram and everything else is 532. So I have ddr2 @ 1066, though the bandwidth is only half that.
 
While you can gain a little extra performance, its nothing compared to upping the FSB. I have mine in sync at 951, and thats way faster in testing than a low FSB and a high divider to give me 1066 again.
 
Hope that helps a bit!
 
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Lupi,
 
Are you then saying that I should go from my current 333x9 to 400x7 on my 2160?  With my current 333x9, I'm getting 3.0 gHz, and using DDR2 800 with a 5:6 divisor to get it at 400 mHz.
 
Are you saying it would be better to go to 400 and back to a 1:1 (in sync)?
 
I'll also check on my VID, but until you explained what it was, I had no idea what I was seeing.....

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You should always get a decent FSB if your gear can do it. It looks pretty straight forward to me. If all RAM data has to flow through the FSB, because thats what FSB is, Ram to processor and vice versa, then having a FSB of 333 which is DDR2 666 means you are using 666Mhz of your RAMs 800 or more.
 
How can you push 400 Mhz worth of data through a 333 Mhz pathway? Just doesnt work. (Well, it does so a minor degree in semi-fake ways!)
 
So if your board can do it. Might as well get the speed you paid for! And you'll notice the quickness of doubleclicking on junk prefetched! No screen fade-in refreshes. (Like when UAC asks for permission, the screen is instant, not pause/fade in.)
 
Thats because the FSB speeds up your ENTIRE computer. Everything uses ram, so everything uses the FSB!  
 
Wait till you try 475 FSB on Vista 64 with no swap file @ 3.8 Ghz quad! Yee haw! (And Flame on!)
 
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When my divider is 5:6, isn't my RAM operating at 400 mhz?  If it's still running at 333, then why have dividers at all?

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ok Lupiron I did the test with prime95. I couldnt get Core Temp 0.96.1 every place I searched for it at would always give me 0.97.1 The VID was at 1.3250v before and after I ran Prime95 core#0 and core#1 wouldn't go past 55c

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Just like I am telling everyone. ;)  Intel may be hip to the VID thing, lol.  
 
And for P3matty. To fool you into thinking you can use better RAM? I dunno. But You tell me if you can squeeze 400mhz through a 270 mhz pathway!  
 
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Luporpn could you tell me step by step what im supposed to do to clock my Ram please? I am so confused. Maybe do you think I should wait til I am ready to clock my CPU the rest of the way when I get my heatsink fan?

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::chuckles.:: Okay, here is the speeds in a nut shell! FSB x CPU multiplier = CPU frequency.  
 
For instance, a q6600 has a FSB of 266 with a x 9 multiplier. 9 x 266 = 2400. Thats how you get the speed.  
 
Then you have your DDR2 RAM. Double data rate. So your 800 Mhz is really 400 x 2. The speed of the ram is 400 x 2 for 800. The speed of the FSB would only be 266. In order to run your ram at its natural speed of 800 mhz, you need a 400 FSB. 400 x double data = 800 mhz.
 
I dont know how else to explain this... again. How could you get 400 Mhz worth of data through a 266 mhz pathway at the same time? You cant. So whatever your mem divider is telling you is a bunch of trash. So its at 400, it still has to wait to send that data through a 266 mhz bus. I dont believe RAM is being developed that can Multiplex, so it would be impossible.  
 
Does that preclude other tricks for giving it the speed of a bit more than 266? No. Could it ever bee 400 mhz? No.  
 
So if a q6600 is 2400 at a x 9 multiplier, when you set the FSB to 400 its now 9 x 400, so thats 3.6.  
 
If I reduced the multi to 8, and not 9, its 8 x 400 for 3.2, and x 7 would be 2.8.  
 
In that manner you can control your processors speed until you get your better cooling, and still test the ram. (really yer testing the boards ability to go up to 400 fsb. Its common today.) And watch the difference when you click on things and UAC has to ask for permission.  
 
If you dont like it, dont keep the settings.  
 
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thanks alot for all your help Lupi, I am so lost. Will have someone do it for me that understands so I dont mess things up. Will be back here to post my results when I get my heatsink..

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from your cpu-z cap screen the voltage seem very high.did you overvolt it or something?
 
here is what you need to do disable all the CPU and mobo clever feature like speedstep,EIST,Qfan and so on.set the FSB to 400 and select a multiplier of 7.set ram to 1:1 ratio.increase the PLL/VTT/FSB termination voltage(which ever one you see) and NB to 1.55V to be on the stable side.and i dont think you will need a voltage increase more then 2 or 3 notch above default.but it all varies.
 
what i gave you is what you can start on as a guideline.
 
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awesome thank you iluv I will try it out and no I didnt mess with the voltage at all

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make sure you manage all the voltage yourself.your bios seem pretty "optimistic" about voltages!so dont let it go wild!lol PM me if you need further help.got msn?

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LOL, sorry. Yeah, its a little hard to understand at first. Take your own chip. Look at the CPUz shot you have on the top of this post.

 

The bus speed is 270. Thats your FSB.

 

Your CPU multiplier is x 9.

 

So 270 x 9 = 2430. The speed you have your processor at.

 

270 x 2 = 540.

 

Thats the true speed of your ram right now. 540. (double data rate, so 2 x 270.) And since FSB is the pathway your ram takes, how can it be operating at 400 Mhz? It just cant. No matter the devider.

 

So if you wanted a FSB of 400 to make your ram sync with the FSB like it should, yet wanted to keep your CPU speed the same because of the lack of that good cooler it would be like this....

 

Reduce your CPU multiplier to 6. So that will be 400 x 6 = 2400 CPU speed. Very near what you have it at in that pic.

 

Set your ram divider to Sync mode, or 1:1. That will be 400 x double data rate = 800 Mhz! Thats your ram target speed.

 

In case no one told ya, disable all the spread spectrum junk, disable all but internal cache on the CPU. (disable speedstep, c1e, Vanderpool, disable bit, etc.)

 

Up your North bridge voltage to 1.40 or 1.45. Up the FSB termination voltage a step or two...

 

Its a common setting now a days.

 

And when you wanna get back to OCing that processor a bit more, Just up the CPU multiplier by 1. That will add another amount equal to the FSB speed. Since we have 6 x 400 for 2.4 Ghz, if the CPU multiplier is changed up by one, you just add 400. That will be your new speed. 400 x 7, and not 6, makes your CPU speed 2.8 Ghz.

 

Its quite simple really.

 

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Message edited by Lupiron on 04-16-2008 at 06:56:38 PM

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