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November 28, 2007 6:05:22 PM

Pleeeeeeeeeease correct me if I’m wrong but....

I believe it is utterly pointless to buy a computer right now. I was looking forward to a awesome gaming computer this xmas but sadly after some research I realized the time wasn’t right.

I believe this to be true because there are no good sli motherboards out there that support pci express 2.0. What would a good gaming computer be without the latest expansion card interface?

Is anyone else out there having this problem? Also does anyone know whennn a good SLI pci express 2.0 motherboard will be available? Or when the nvidia 9 series will be obtainable?



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November 28, 2007 6:19:51 PM

But then think, how many video cards are using the full pontential of pci express 1.0? So if you do get one with pci express 2.0, how usefull does that feature become? Or does it only become useful when you are ready to upgrade again?
November 28, 2007 6:33:14 PM

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But then think, how many video cards are using the full pontential of pci express 1.0? So if you do get one with pci express 2.0, how usefull does that feature become? Or does it only become useful when you are ready to upgrade again?
Yeah, most cards aren't in danger of exceeding the PCI-E 1.1 restrictions (8Gbps) - PCI-E 2.0 will just double the transfer rate.

Article for proof: http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/01/16/PCI-E_2_announc...

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In order to compensate, PCIe 2.0 has modified the power standard. The previous 6-pin 75W connector has now been retired, moved instead to an 8-pin 150W connector (see the Inquirer for a picture). Bus speeds have also increased to 5Gbps, meaning that a 16x card can now potentially pull up to 16Gbps. Of course, current cards are a long way from even maxing out the PCIe 1.1 interface, so this is much more of a theoretical improvement.
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November 28, 2007 6:43:39 PM

Remind me again... what good is SLI anyway?

There is nothing official at all on any nVidia 9 series.

So tell me again, why is this a bad time to build a computer? SLI is useless. Get a P35 board and an 8800GT, save yourself upwards of $1000 and quit crying.
November 28, 2007 6:50:51 PM

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Remind me again... what good is SLI anyway?


I hear you there. The only thing that impressed me so far was the 3870's in cross-fire. They gave nearly a 40%+ boost across the board. On that note, I still don't see my self spending the money on it. I see far too many individuals that are buying SLI and Crossfire to run at 1280x1024 (sometimes even less) resolutions. So sad.
November 28, 2007 6:58:58 PM

No way! This is a great time to build a new gaming machine with much upgrade potential, regardless if you build Intel or AMD.

SLI using pcie 1.1 was a joke let alone using pcie2.0...puh-leez, give me a single high end card over sli anyday!

A fantastic budget gamer would be something like an Asus M2N32 SLI-Deluxe, an AMD AM2 X2 6400, 2GB of nice RAM, and an 8800GT or ATI 3870.

Or something like a an Asus P5B, an Intel Skt775 E6600, 2Gb of RAM, and also an 8800GT or ATI 3870.

Either one would make a kick-a$s gaming machine for a very reasonable price.

Spend a few more bucks and get and AM2+ or X38 mobo and then just swap/upgrade the memory and proc as you need it.
November 28, 2007 7:08:33 PM

I should add that just about the only reason you'd want to wait to buy right now is in hopes that there is some sales to get rid of old inventories after Christmas. Then you may be able to snag some stuff real cheap! Anyways if you're a doomsayer or always play the waiting game, there is almost always something new or better in development and there's nothing you can do about it... so just buy when you think the time is right. (Granted there are wrong times to buy... like people who bought GTS's just weeks or days before the 8800GT hit the sores... ouch)
November 28, 2007 7:33:38 PM

I'm waiting for something better than what I have now. It’s something to do with the family during a dreary winter night. I guess I’ll have to wait for February 2009.
November 28, 2007 7:40:21 PM

It is always better to wait. Unless you dumb yanks finally crash your country, like you seem to be getting close to doing.

So anyway, if you wait you will get something better and for less money, but if you wait you wont have a good pc, so it is all up to you.
November 28, 2007 7:44:51 PM

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November 28, 2007 8:03:25 PM

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It is always better to wait. Unless you dumb yanks finally crash your country, like you seem to be getting close to doing.

So anyway, if you wait you will get something better and for less money, but if you wait you wont have a good pc, so it is all up to you.
You contradict your self in your very own statement. So think twice before posting. Also, why do you have to bring politics into buying PC equipment?
November 28, 2007 8:23:30 PM

What TimeZone is the poster in that would make the current year 2008?
November 28, 2007 8:23:41 PM

Now is a great time to buy because of the performance you can get for relatively cheap. Just from last year my CPU, GPU and RAM cost a total of $1000. Today you can get a more powerful CPU, more/faster RAM and a comparable GPU for less then $600.
November 28, 2007 8:34:45 PM

Rabidpeanut said:
It is always better to wait. Unless you dumb yanks finally crash your country, like you seem to be getting close to doing.

So anyway, if you wait you will get something better and for less money, but if you wait you wont have a good pc, so it is all up to you.



Well our country is attached to earth and so is yours, so don't think you won't feel the repercussions of any crash. Effects of an US economic colapse would be felt globally... so we're in the boat together mate. :whistle: 


I think it's a good time to build a pc... maybe wait just a little while longer til 8800GT's crop up again... other than that what is there to wait for? PCI-e 2.0 is just another spec of the future and will not make or break any decision right now.
November 28, 2007 8:40:14 PM

Rabidpeanut said:
It is always better to wait. Unless you dumb yanks finally crash your country, like you seem to be getting close to doing.
When we crash so does the rest of the world. :kaola: 
November 28, 2007 8:47:25 PM

Let's see...it is said a pc is outdated every 18 months. On average, every 6month there is a better pc for the price. To get the best deal for a pc is to never buy it...which is pointless. Buy what you think is worth your money.

Anyways, I agree with others that putting cards into SLI or Crossfire isn't worth it. Some notable exceptions atm is 2x8800GT cause it is worth it. Other than that, I recommend you staying away from SLI.
November 28, 2007 8:48:59 PM

purplerat said:
Now is a great time to buy because of the performance you can get for relatively cheap.


This is true, rumor has it that almost everything (mainly memory, CPUs, cases) will be going up in price next year, be sure to buy now before the price skyrockets.[/sarcasm]
November 28, 2007 8:57:11 PM

wow thanks for all the great input guys!

and yeah i dont know why i put 2008, i ment 2007, i guess im thinking about the future already!
November 28, 2007 9:36:53 PM

A couple of things to note. I think SLI/Crossfire can be worth it if you have a large monitor, like a minimum of a 22" widescreen. Otherwise, its not worth it. Back in the days of the 6600, SLI might have been worthwhile, but not now.

The only really good reason I see for waiting on building a new computer, other then lack of money, is if some new piece of hardware is coming out in the next couple weeks. Then you might want to wait and find out if that new hardware is really better and within price constraints. Like I put off a new build for a few weeks so I could see if Phenom was going to be good or not. Now I can build an Intel machine knowing that I won't kick myself for not waiting for something good out of AMD, which Phenom was not.
November 29, 2007 12:00:39 AM

If you can postpone your purchase into 2008 then do so 'cause new tech is always coming out. Specifically, I'm talking about Intel's Penryn CPUs that will replace the current Conroe generation in their Core 2 Duo CPUs. Video cards, I'm not really sure.

XFire or SLI isn't really worth and is also pretty expensive. SLI two mid range cards and you will get really good upper mid-range performance that will be less than a single performance card like the nVidia 8800GTX. If you owned a 8800GTX then the only way to increase performance is to buy another 8800GTX. Considering the 8800GTX and Ultra held the performance crown for nearly a year, I'm sure a good number of game enthusiasts with money to burn did so.

One or two video cards will also depend on what resolution you want to play at. If you like playing FPS games (aka Shooters) at high resolution on a 24"+ monitor with every eye-candy turned up to the max, then yes you will need XFire or SLI (with high end cards).

Buy before the end of the year and you'll probably save money from sales while still getting a very capable PC (depending on how much you are willing to spend).
November 29, 2007 1:01:23 AM

Rabidpeanut said:
It is always better to wait. Unless you dumb yanks finally crash your country, like you seem to be getting close to doing.

So anyway, if you wait you will get something better and for less money, but if you wait you wont have a good pc, so it is all up to you.


I love it how you class all Americans as the very same. You refer to us as dumb as though you are better, but according to god, all man was created equally. May I ask, what thing has each and every American citizen done to you to cause you to make general statements containing derogatory terms? Better yet, what have you done so much better to make you superior? Did you not vote for bush? Coincidentally, I did not either.

[/end sarcasm]

Meh.
November 29, 2007 5:29:17 AM

Rabidpeanut said:
It is always better to wait. Unless you dumb yanks finally crash your country, like you seem to be getting close to doing.

So anyway, if you wait you will get something better and for less money, but if you wait you wont have a good pc, so it is all up to you.


Will that be before or after the economy of your socialist European country crashes because no one will work?

(Off topic, sorry, but cheap shots need retribution.)
November 29, 2007 6:48:40 AM

i just pulled my thumb from my bung!!! learn take a joke, serious keep the politics out of a tech forum....its about as relavent my first sentance to pc's.

as for waiting on pci-e 2.0...not a horrible idea if you game at high res like myself with two gtx's...but to be honest they aren't maxing out my 8x lanes so take it as you will. i am kinda waiting on the 780a's to hit the market if amd can straighten out the phenom mess soon and or get the there next gen vid cards beating nvidia i might consider a crossfire solution...that or i am waiting tell nethlem...775 is nearly dead if u want to upgrade a cpu for more than 10 months.
November 29, 2007 8:02:15 AM

deuce271 said:
Remind me again... what good is SLI anyway?

There is nothing official at all on any nVidia 9 series.

So tell me again, why is this a bad time to build a computer? SLI is useless. Get a P35 board and an 8800GT, save yourself upwards of $1000 and quit crying.


what he just said :D 
November 29, 2007 9:15:36 AM

if he's like me and running a resolution 1080p or somewhere thereabouts....sli (or crossfire, though admitingly i haven't used a dual ati personally) does help i have to disagree. yes you pay through the nose for it but the more games start pushing higher resolutions, the more its gonna be in demand from all the nay sayers. i mean think a head a bit what kind of hardware you think the next gen consoles are going have to support the next hd tv jump to 1440p...heck they hardly support 1080p now maybe will get lucky next round, most titles are 720p on xbox 360 (souped up x1900xtx with a tri-core cpu) and ps3 (souped up 7800gtx with single core cpu but sporting 8 spe's to stream ). monitors are only gonna do the same thing with pixals. i can remember how awsome 800x600 looked the first time. point is computing is heading further and further into the parrallal to fill our endless craving for more realism which requires power, not to mention thanks to the evils of microsoft's bloatware clogging up system resources with each succeeding?? OS they release ...just think if intel gets that terascale CPU to the maket with about 16 gigs of ram with six video cards vista just might make a decent gaming platform!! of course we could always go back to atari 2600...i was pretty killer at sea quest back in the day.
November 29, 2007 11:29:12 AM

atomicWAR said:
point is computing is heading further and further into the parrallal to fill our endless craving for more realism which requires power, not to mention thanks to the evils of microsoft's bloatware clogging up system resources with each succeeding?? OS they release ...just think if intel gets that terascale CPU to the maket with about 16 gigs of ram with six video cards vista just might make a decent gaming platform!! of course we could always go back to atari 2600...i was pretty killer at sea quest back in the day.


Endless craving for more realism which requires more power, terascale cpu, 16 gigs of ram and six video cards? Can you imagine the size of the PSU that would requires, or should I says multiple PSUs? But you do have a point. We demand ever increasing detail on our screens and speed from our CPUs, so that does have a price. The only question is, do we want to pay that price?

As for going back to the days of the Atari 2600, you aren't thinking far enough. Why not that old favorite, Pong?
November 29, 2007 12:50:26 PM

Why would it be useless? As mentioned, go for a P35 board and a GT card and just upgrade those when the time comes. The rest of your rig (HDs, PSU, case, etc.) can be built to handle the next gen of mobos and video cards.

On that note, as a guy who wastes money on his computer, I also agree that SLI isn't a worthwhile investment... dollar|performance ratio just isn't there.
November 29, 2007 2:19:11 PM

Prices are great. Now that intel definitely has the lead over AMD's quad-core, they can charge more for their next CPUs coming out. Let's hope AMD give them a ride with price cuts. :) 
November 29, 2007 4:11:10 PM

The only thing that's ticking me off at the mo on the buying front is not being able to find a mobo that takes ddr2/ddr3, has 1066 ram MHZ support and supports 45nm chips. Any ideas for my xmas wish list?
November 29, 2007 5:12:11 PM

Imagine how cheap we can get computers for when our economy crashes! 5-Finger discount!! So I guess we'll be paying the same price for vista as we are now, huh? ;]
November 29, 2007 7:57:20 PM

sailer said:
Endless craving for more realism which requires more power, terascale cpu, 16 gigs of ram and six video cards? Can you imagine the size of the PSU that would requires, or should I says multiple PSUs? But you do have a point. We demand ever increasing detail on our screens and speed from our CPUs, so that does have a price. The only question is, do we want to pay that price?

As for going back to the days of the Atari 2600, you aren't thinking far enough. Why not that old favorite, Pong?


i rock at pong!!! or did...back to the subject of do we want to pay such a price...the better question is will we have a choice? i mean just think analog TV goes off the air in a few short years and everything switches to HD, did we get an option or vote with the FCC, nope they told us when and where while eletronic manufactures laughed all the way to the bank. in the end our goverment (pic a country doesn't matter in this context) wants to encourage finiacal growth though techonological advancement and adoption as we have throughout history...though i agree a kiss and some lube would be nice every once and a while!!!
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