8800 GT vs HD3870 Interesting Video

Yeah, but looked like a legit review.

No reason to fake benchmarks, unless it's a payed review...which I doubt it is.

Yes these reviews from tigerdirect are legit.

IMO crap review, the guys reading specs without knowing what they mean to anything.

"It's a 256bit card , so the bandwidth on this thing is insane" Jeez guess he never heard of 512bit, 386bit, 320bit cards with similar clocks.

'when you turn the filters on it runs faster'

I've seen those benchies elsewhere (I remember the charts but not the sitename [but the results are similar to those of Computerbase's 8X results) and really that's cherry picking. Running at 8X is very high and really only playable at 1280x1024, so it's not an option most people would use since they'd likely be running at higher res with lower AA if they're selecting a card like this. Also it depends on the game, look at the different benchies in the computerbase review and you see when the games are more texture bound or shader bound as well.

IMO this guy is reading some other (non-telegenic) guy's benchmarks and picking the things that will make the card look good and worth talking about so people will buy them. Being based on TigerDirect I'd say treat this guy like a car salesman, he's probably have told you how great the GeforceFX or XGI Volari V8 Duo was if he or his overlords thought it would sell more of them from their site.

edit: updtd computerbase link

somewhere around 30-34th second of the "review"

"they released a new card based on the 55nm process so it's a SMALLER CARD"

LMAO

Those results are not cherry picked. Go to any forum about OCing the hd 3870 and people get to those OCs and faster all the time. It's not cherry picked like the Phenom. Those cards really do OC that fast, that easily. I am fixing to have to leave for work, but when I get back, I will throw you some links to back up what I am saying.

Here we go again ... arguing if this or that test is biased because a certain company made the card ... stop it ! Do ya notice when ATI wins ya get all this b*llsh*t from nvidia fanboys . Ape you're the guru genious .... put the trillions of dropped frames back into the video output of the benchies on nvidia's and see what the tests show ! And then the NV trolls cry when someone runs the speed up on the ATI ram and bawl all over the forum . Then they cry like babies when they"re overclocked .... as NV cards are all maxed on OC"ing . Like I said put back the millions upon millions of dropped frames ..... NO YOU CAN'T ... You say .... then don't even try to compare the companies . Christ if anyone could eliminate trillions of frames in any test .... any lousey card could win a framerate test and you know it ! I don't know if these experts are dumb or can't realize what NVIDIA is doing to trick people . Tell the D*M truth ..... Our programmers said it's like having a race and one team eliminates hundreds of laps or miles from it to win "NVIDIA " and the other has to run the whole mileage to win " ATI " ..... NO race ... No win ! False .... phoney statistics . Those benchmark tests and any whatsoever are a joke . Tell the truth .... stop backing up an inferior company . What are you saying the guys at Tiger are liars ??? I'd trust them more than a so called guru here . And they did'nt even mention the dropped framerate issue .

Why would tigerdirect fake benchmarks? It has to sell both the 8800 GT and the 3870, so why would it promote the sale of one over the other? I believe those benchmarks are true. I'm not a fanboy either, I'm the owner of a 9800 Pro and a 7900 GS. I believe the reason why the 8800 GT has higher performance is because it sacrifices picture quality. Between my old x850xt and my 7900 GS, clearly my x850xt has a much better picture quality that is very noticeable, to me at least.

The 3870 also runs cooler, is a better investment, and based on a smaller die process (hence why it runs cooler). IMO the 3870 is a better card...but that's just my opinion.

Skittle...on the tomshardware review of the 3870 vs the 8800 GT, it STATED that the 3870 had better picture quality than the 8800 GT. Not only that, but on other reviews as well.

trooper1947 and skittle, please don't start a flame war here, be nice please.

1. Used the HL2 engine which is one of the very few games comparable to the 8800GTX.
2. Used clock speed numbers over and over and over again.
3. Compared Crysis at 40fps to.... nothing.
4. Stated idle power usage but no load usage (they must be thinking people aren't going to game with this?).

They are selling you this product and raping it's advantages. Can't see why you'd watch this joke from Tiger after they compared HL2 twice to the GTX and then went straight to idle wattage if your a informed gamer. Watch a few of their other reviews and you'll rofl.

No, not quite, 8800GT is still better on average.

Even if the 8800GT pops out more frames per second than the ATI is anybody really going to notice? I play COD 4 with an old 7800gt and it seems to work just fine. Go for the bang for your buck or your personal preferance. Yes the guy in the video seemed to be a moron in my opinion but the fact is the 8800GT and the 3870 are both good cards, bother offer good performance, and both make the 8800gtx look like a bad investment at twice the price.

Benchmark(s)? As in more than one?
It's obvious they used what they could to promote the product. Don't get me wrong, nothing against the 3870 (love to have one) - but these guys seem to tell a one sided story for which ever side they need to promote, know what I mean? Telling you it runs at "xx watts idle" and neglecting load (how many people aren't going to want to know the load score?) which, as I've seen from numerous benchies, is higher than the 88GT. It's not just this review, check out the others. Reminds me of QVC.
And, c'mon, 40fps in Cry compared to what? Oops... we forgot.
I'd still buy from Tiger, but consumers don't deserve to be detoured by this tard.

At the end of the day its all down to individual preference isn't it i have gone on record before as saying that i have never had a Nvidea card Why? I personally prefer ATI rendering over Nvidia when i first had to upgrade a Graphics card i went look at some mates systems/checked out some display rigs in the shops and decided i liked ATI better.
That was years ago and i have never had anything but ATI since, now having said that if i had got a new card or system in the last year it would definitely have had a GTS 320/640 in it as the ATI performance was so bad price/power/heat all taken into account.
I have discussed what trooper1947 is talking about with the missing frames and how the ATI cards do more processing than the Nvidia card with some very knowledgeable people on other forums and while it really is like trying to compare oranges to apples the reviews are only trying to show what the cards can do at approx similar settings (in an unbiased review anyway).
Maybe they should do a extra part in reviews let the cards really shine, optimise each card so people can see what the cards are really capable of then let personal opinion worry about image quallity?
Mactronix

Why are some reviews biased ? put simply someone is getting something out of it.
They may well have a very similar review boasting about all of the 8800GT good points, i dont know but at the end of the day every body promotes one product over another dont they?
How many adverts do you see that finish with, Also try this or its not bad but this is just as good ? You dont do you its how adverts work and thats all this is a long winded advert for the 3870/3850.
Mactronix

If your going to throw your money away you might as well save $50

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814143055

Okay but all the other reviews I've seen showed that the 8800GT is remarkably better than the 3870 on average.

Also if the 3750 is better than the 8800GT, why the hell would AMD price it at $229, approximately $50 lower than the 8800GT? The company isn't in great shape you see...

Trooper

Nobody ever forced people to buy a 8800ultra. It was there own decision so you can't base an argument on that.

First off the price of the HD3870 has gone up to $270 for most of the HD3870's, some have fallen to $250, and a few etailers are selling it for $220, They scale very well, and to be honest, Nvidia always seemed to overprice their cards back in the day when the infamous 7900GTX was a whopping $600 I benched it with something as simple as HL2 Lost Coast got 96 fps, then a friend of mine was telling me to try out the X1900 AIW, I was skeptical at first, b/c it cost a fraction of that $600 premium, at $250 the X1900 AIW card got 89 fps. Now Nvidia is doing a good job at coming off their high horse but at the same respect (the 8800GT), ATi is at least holding their own. I hope do well b/c the consumers need good healthy competition, or else we all lose...So fanboys, do a little research, a few fps really isn't going to change much, and just go with w/e gives you the best bang for your buck given w/e budget you have...
- nuff said mothafuckas

Tell you what i would love to know and thats how much all in. Research,development,transport,factory running costs etc that it actually costs to make a Graphics card. It seems to me that it must be a lot less than they ask or they wouldnt be able to cut prices the way they sometimes do.(I think i can just about remember when the prices didnt automatically go up)
Point is i dont really understand why they price so high the GT came out and the price went up ok so its supply and demand but why then when the 3870 came out did it do the same,If AMD/ATI really wanted to get back some market share why didnt they fix the prices. I dont really see a lot performance wise between the two cards so for my money 30-40 $/£ would be the deciding factor.
Or is it the partners that control the prices i guess that would make more sence if ATI/Nvidia sold to X/Y/Z company for a fixed price and stood back and let them get on with it.
Mactronix

i did'nt base any argument ... just a reply .... Evilonigir said " Also if the 3750 is better than the 8800GT, why the hell would AMD price it at $229, approximately $50 lower than the 8800GT? The company isn't in great shape you see...

It has nothing to do with what shape a company is in ... christ the guys at ati did'nt even know what their future was when they were bought out ... cut them some slack ! They offered us a descent all around good card for less and some still bitch and moan . It would'nt matter if they came out with a dual gpu card that smokes the competition these nvidia ball suckers would still come across with that kind of reasoning ! I may end up buying nvidia when the next gen comes on the shelves .... but I'm not going to preach they are god almighty in the industry . In my opinion ATI could have made the framerates much better .... and did'nt .... and nvidia could have made the video quality higher and added the new dx 10.1 and did'nt . I bought the 3870 only because it's a generally a much better all around card and has future capabilities where the g92 is still last year's design . I'm not real happy with either company ! Besides that ati did'nt price the 3850 at $229.00 ----- they priced the 3870 at $219.00 retail .... the jerks we have to buy from inflated the prices . That really pisses me off ! Don't they call that price gouging ?

There are no 386 bit bus cards. But i know you know that.

True skittle .... it's just that nvidia could of added it for 85 cents on their boards and did'nt . Another thing that burns my knickers is when companies have capabilities on cpu's and gpu's and disable them to get a few more bucks . Same old corporate ripoff by both firms . I was'nt saying the dx10.1 would increase quality .... maybe that came out wrong . I bought the 3870 and am in no way impressed ! It's better than what I had but far below my expectations . Yea I worded that wrong ! went back and edited that .... thanks for telling me my typing mistake ... that was completely wrong . Yes ... I do admit mistakes and please call me on them . And I appreciate not being called names this time .... LOL

Because the 8800 GT's were going out of stock fast. When you're in the market for buying a video card and you're in a hurry, would you buy the ones that are currently in stock, or wait for the ones not in stock to be in stock? Ati knew this so they priced theirs higher to take advantage of the situation and make a few extra bucks (IMO). You need to apply your logic in these situations...

The only thing I can see Amd fixing in the 3870 lineup are their shader clocks...why are they clocked so slow? I think that's what's holding them back...Other than that, the card is perfect.