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December 9, 2007 7:57:27 PM

:hello:  I am new to the forums :hello:  , I have read all other threads and replies and i want help on my problem.
I currently have a HP pavilion m7580n
Proccesor:
AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual core Proccesor 4400+

Graphics Card:
NVIDEA GeForce 7300LE
Memory:
2048MB
Hard Drive:
320GB
Optical Drive:
Super Multi DVD Burner with Lightscribe Technology
Most Importantly my PSU:
300 Watt



I have been recenly searching for a Graphics card because i want a high performance computer(just on high results) so i am currently buying the nVIDIA XFX GeForce 8600 GT FATAL1TY 256 DDR3 :bounce:  ( Can you also tell me if this is a good card?) and it says specifically on the label on Minimum Requierments that it needs a 350 watts, I was wondering if its ok to continue my purchase or do i really need a new psu thats at least of 350?
Are there any backsides to this or consequences if i try to use a 350 minumum watt on a 300 watt psu?
-Thank You In Advance.
Ps. This is my first Post :D 

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December 9, 2007 8:16:06 PM

please somebody help me, i need the response by tomorrow :S I juust wanna know if it'll be enough.
a b ) Power supply
December 9, 2007 8:25:44 PM

You defenently need a new PSU. Probably a 500W Antec(?) or better.
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December 9, 2007 8:28:56 PM

can you help me on the price range because the most i want to spend is 40-60 dollars :/  thank you for your help
December 9, 2007 8:35:30 PM

300 is not really enough your risking overloading your power supply, and damaging your computer you can pick up a good 450-500 watt power supply from newegg for $50-60 I would also drop the 8600GT, and pick up a Radeon HD 3850 the 3850 has a sweet price/performance curve.
December 9, 2007 8:36:20 PM

Ohh wait, How cna i make sure it will fit and be compatible with my other harddrives and/or other computer components,(yes i am new to these comptuer technical things)
December 9, 2007 8:36:52 PM

I don't know much about HP power supplies, but with that card, you may be okay. While way better than what you have, it is only qualifies barely as mid-range gaming card with "acceptable" performance. If you want to get serious, you will need a new power supply and an 8800gt, or if they are too pricey, an ATI 3850/3870 would do you a very nice job as well.
December 9, 2007 8:43:28 PM

caution_sign said:
Ohh wait, How cna i make sure it will fit and be compatible with my other harddrives and/or other computer components,(yes i am new to these comptuer technical things)

The power supply or graphics card?
December 9, 2007 8:44:44 PM

What Games do you want to play with the 8600GT?

That is not really a very high-end card.
Something like the 1950pro would do much better and is not too much more.
December 9, 2007 8:45:44 PM

I was basically talking about both :/  (then again i am whats called a noob/newb/retard at comptuer spec and information
December 9, 2007 8:46:25 PM

The games that i want to play with the card is like a hmm, lets say Counter Strike source, or quake 4(or is tat too much to ask >.>)
December 9, 2007 8:48:14 PM

If you buy a new power supply its simply unplugging the old one and plugging the new power supply its real easy, and if you buy the ATI 3850 it will plug in the PCI express x16 slot the same as the 8600GT.
December 9, 2007 8:50:15 PM

ohh god, i hate so much asking and it also probably irritates you guys but i also dont know if my mobo will actually support such kinds of cards that you guys mention :l(sry)
December 9, 2007 8:51:27 PM

caution_sign said:
The games that i want to play with the card is like a hmm, lets say Counter Strike source, or quake 4(or is tat too much to ask >.>)
The 8600GT should be ok for those games but the 3850 would give your system more headroom for newer games like COD4, etc.
December 9, 2007 8:53:15 PM

3850? May you please give me the full name of that brand, i searched google but it came up with something i dare not mention -___-
December 9, 2007 8:53:45 PM

caution_sign said:
ohh god, i hate so much asking and it also probably irritates you guys but i also dont know if my mobo will actually support such kinds of cards that you guys mention :l(sry)
Its no problem you computer has 1 PCI Express x16 slot so your good.
December 9, 2007 8:55:43 PM

Look in the manual or on hp's site first to ensure you can fit a new video card/ psu. Next, take of the side of your case and look at the label on the psu for how many amps you have on the 12vrail.
You have a few choices

If you cannot fit a new psu/ video card in your case, your outa luck unless you want to buy a new case.

If you can fit a new video card/psu...
2. If your psu has over 20a on the 12v rail you can go with your 8600t, you should be fine. Not the best option though, 8600gt isnt the greatest card.

3. if you have under 20a on the +12v rail(s) you need a new psu before you can buy a new vid card. This is a good psu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
you can than get a new video card. I would recommend a 8800gt or pic one from your price rang using this guide, I prefer nvidia. http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/12/03/best_graphics_ca...
December 9, 2007 8:59:26 PM

Omfg Guys. Thank you so much!!! Thanks for wasting your time on me :/ . Now i wont have to be looking all over te place when i can just ask teh prs :D :D 
December 9, 2007 9:30:01 PM

Why thank you Homer Dog. I actually might cinsider on saving up some money :p  for that 8800 GT or wutever ya calls it :D .
December 9, 2007 9:52:31 PM

8800GT = Best performance for the dollar imo

basic GTX Performance (minus 5-10fps) for 250-300 bucks
December 9, 2007 9:58:03 PM

Did you find out your psu +12v amps? Also find out if you can fit a new video card or psu in your case before you look into buying one, or do buy one. You can get a 8800gt and antec psu for under $350, a very nice upgrade without costing too much.
December 9, 2007 10:21:20 PM

Ok What i see on my psu is this
300W MAX
Output +12v / 19A / -12v
300W MAX / +5v/ 30A / +5vSB
December 9, 2007 10:22:24 PM

how do i know if i can fit them both? I am talking about the GFX card and the psu, Where can i find this info because this is really too much for me to find out because i dont know much :/ 
December 9, 2007 10:59:02 PM

please respond :( 
December 9, 2007 11:13:46 PM

As long as you aren't using a miniature case any standard power supply such as the three I mentioned above will fit.

Graphics cards can be problematic sometimes due to their excessive length. Some motherboards aren't designed to accommodate really long GPUs. A long card can block important things like RAM slots or SATA ports. I have an 8800GT and it barely misses the Northbridge cooler on my motherboard. I believe the HD3850 is slightly shorter than the 8800GT, so that's something to consider.
December 9, 2007 11:33:48 PM

I thought HPs had non-standard power connectors to the motherboard and/or are not phsycially the same size?
December 10, 2007 12:01:51 AM

nickbits said:
I thought HPs had non-standard power connectors to the motherboard and/or are not phsycially the same size?

Wow, I've never heard that. Are you sure you're not thinking of Packard Bell? Those things were a joke.
a c 83 ) Power supply
December 10, 2007 12:15:38 AM

HP uses Asus boards :p  So power connectors are fine

19 Amps will run a surprising amount..... Thats more like what most 350-400 watt PSU's offer.....The 3850 does not take allot of power to be honest.....

If you do decide to get a new psu look for an 80+ model since it will save you power and run cooler and quiet.....

Just so you know i ran a E6600 + X1900(power hungry) off a PSU with 18 amps MAX with no problems......
December 10, 2007 12:26:14 AM

So yea your fine for a 8600gt, but you should honestly get a 8800gt. I agree with the 80+ efficancy like nuke said, the psu link i sent you is 80+.
a c 83 ) Power supply
December 10, 2007 12:49:04 AM

Yeah to reiterate that......
I have a E6600 Stock X1900XT 1 hard drive 1 CD/DVD drive 2 gigs of ram - 402 watts from the wall[Prime + 3d Marks](PSU Antec TP 380s)

My Q6600 @ 3.0 with a 8800GTX + 6 hard drives + 1 DVD/CD + WinTV + Audigy 2zs - About 330 watts at the wall[Prime + 3dmarks](PSU OCZ GSX700) This is why i say that 300 can be allot of power with enough 12 volt amps on it.... 19amps @ 12 volts is 228 watts

Looking at a FSP Zen 300(85% efficient @ the 130-150 I need for my A64 system)
December 10, 2007 6:29:09 AM

Replacing the PSU is always challenging and time-consuming.
I remembered the first time I replaced my PSU. I almost dismantled the whole system.
As PSU is connected to all parts of the system, I needed to separate most of the parts from the case...
It was hot and humid, and I sweat like hell.
caution_sign, hope your attempt will not be too tough.
December 10, 2007 11:04:06 AM

Just remember to touch any metal part of the case occasionally so you don't cause any damage to your components from ESD ( elctro static discharge)
December 10, 2007 6:17:02 PM

Nuke how is the oc'd q6600, 8800gtx and 6 hds system drawing less power than the e6600 system?
a c 83 ) Power supply
December 10, 2007 7:02:39 PM

My antec PSU has a low efficiency(its old, thats why)....VERY low....and my OCZ(FSP) 700 watt has a higher efficiency.

So in other words my Antec 380 takes close to 20% more power to make the same output.....And i think the G0 helps too :)  . My Q6600 runs on 1.2 volts vs the 1.3 for the E6600
December 10, 2007 7:46:28 PM

homerdog said:
Wow, I've never heard that. Are you sure you're not thinking of Packard Bell? Those things were a joke.


I thought that was an issue with all prebuild computers. But then again I haven't bought one in a long time so maybe they've changed. But I was able to find a reference to a recent model HP with asus motherboard that didn't have a normal ATX plug.

http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/power-supplies/103000-my-motherboard-has-non-standard-24-pin-power-connector.html
December 10, 2007 10:46:45 PM

Weird, but I don't think that's much of a problem these days. I can't say for sure though because the only motherboards that I ever see come from Newegg.
December 10, 2007 11:56:28 PM

oh is see nuke thats very interesting.
a c 83 ) Power supply
December 11, 2007 12:16:22 AM

I grabbed some examples from SPCR

Antec TP 380s - DC Load 150watts AC Load 220watts | 68% efficient
Antec SP 2.0 450(The psu everyone hates :( ) - DC Load 150watts AC Load 186watts | 81 % efficient
FSP Zen 300 - DC Load 150watts AC Load 179watts | 84% efficient

Note: Efficiency changes with load. Most power supplies reach there max efficiency around 50-60% load....

http://www.silentpcreview.com/ does some good test on PSU's and other computer items.
December 15, 2007 10:29:34 PM

Yeah.... but how do i get rid of esd? anything that has to be bought?
December 15, 2007 10:29:53 PM

Yeah.... but how do i get rid of esd? anything that has to be bought?
December 15, 2007 11:03:11 PM

homerdog said:
Wow, I've never heard that. Are you sure you're not thinking of Packard Bell? Those things were a joke.



Packardbell! My first computer. Wow that thing powned back in the day. They went belly up right after I got it though.

If you HP is shot length wise and hight wise it can be a pain to change things in there. Especially the PSU. Lots of obsticles in the way.
a b ) Power supply
December 16, 2007 3:19:47 AM

caution_sign said:
Yeah.... but how do i get rid of esd? anything that has to be bought?


Touch the case before you pick up any parts. Touch only the edges of any parts if possible.
You can buy a wrist strap for a few bucks if you want to be even safer.
December 16, 2007 4:17:53 AM

Don't worry about a PSU upgrade yet, your total system draw is likely to be around 100-150w under load. The 8600gt is a fine card, as long as you spent under $100 for it. In that price range it can't be beat. It plays games fine if you don't have a 20+ in monitor, which I'm sure you don't. Quake 4 and CS:S run beautifully. Crysis even plays well at 1024 X 768. Save up for now and ebay that card when you can afford an 8800gt. At that point you can use the money from the card to buy a better PSU.
January 4, 2008 1:30:20 AM

ok guys, i found out something, i will buy the XFX GeForce 8800 GT XXX version.
Although i have seen the logan @ tigertv review, he shows it and it is extremely big compared to the motherboard, i was wondering if i should do anything to make sure that my computer will be able to fit it xD, so please help me out in the dimensions etc.
January 4, 2008 1:54:56 AM

I believe its actually the whole length (front to back) of a whole standard sized motherboard. (ATX)
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