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December 17, 2007 2:25:11 AM

hey guys!
i'm graphic designer, using photoshop illustrator indesign afterfx premiere and core...
and i wanna upgrade my pc...
aaand... i like pro evolution soccer :D 

i want:
amd 5600+ am2
4gb corsair 800mhz
asus m2n-x
gf 8500

is this a good pc for me?

thank you! :) 

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December 17, 2007 2:41:06 AM

No quad for you?

What about overclocking? If you are, Intel would be a much better solution. A ~$85 E2180 overclocked can destroy the 5600+ overclocked or not...well that's assuming if you push it to 3.6ghz+. If you're not going to overclock, that cpu is fine.

Although you may not play intense games, that video card is pitful. If you can squeeze the ATI HD3850 256mb into your budget (~$180), you'll see a large performance boost.

One last thing. Are you running a 64bit OS or 32bit? If you are running a 32bit OS, a 2x2gig ram won't work...assuming that the one you have listed is 2x2gig ram instead of 4x1gig ram.
December 17, 2007 2:54:35 AM

but intel are too expensive man, and i wont overclock
wanna a cheap and good pc :) 
and ill play light games, like pro evolution, diablo II :D 
and i'll run win xp sp2 32bits
about the the ram, ill buy 4x1gb..

thank for now buddy!
:) 
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December 17, 2007 2:59:24 AM

With a 32bit XP, you'll only be able to use 3.2 GB of your 4 GB sticks, so unless you buy 64bit, you'll be better off buying three sticks instead of four.

And that graphics card is really quite bad. buy a 3850 for $170
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December 17, 2007 3:15:18 AM

What is your budget for this upgrade? What parts are you needing and what parts are you transferring over to the new setup?
Ideas:
CPU
e2180 ~$90 with slight OC to 2.8~3.2gig or
e6550 ~$170 or
x2 6000 for $160 $5 more than the x2 5600 and no OC'ing needed.

mobo
p35 mobo ~$100 DS3L, Abit IP35-e, Asus p5k-se
690G or AM2+ ~$65-$100

Memory
2 x 1 gig DDR2 800mHz ~$60 with a 32bit OS
2 x 2 gig DDR2 800mHz ~$100 with a 64bit OS

GPU
Minimum
x2600xt ~$100
Better
3850 256mb ~$180
Better
3870 512mb ~$270ish
8800gt 512mb ~$300ish
Best
2 x 3850's ~$360 <---cheapest option, but requires a Xfire rated mobo, which would be a P5k mobo, which is ~$133 shipped
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or
Asus M3A - $90 shipped Supports Phenom chips!
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

2 x 3870's ~$540 <--- Nice option, but probably too much for this build?

Intel cheaper build w/1 GPU:
$350 w/e2180 (OC'd to 2.8-3.2), p35 DS3L or others, 2 gig's DDR2 800mHz, x2600xt
Intel better build w/1 GPU:
$430-$510 w/e6550, p35 DS3L, 2 gig's DDR2 800mHz, x2600xt or 3850

AMD cheap build w/1 GPU:
$385 w/x2 6000, AMD 690 mobo, 2 gig's DDR2, 2600xt
AMD better build w/1 GPU:
$410-$490 w/x2 6000, AMD AM2+ Phenom mobo, 2 gig's DDR2, 2600xt or 3850

Now since your using PSI and things that are quite CPU intensive, I'd opt for a quad core (maybe). Not sure if you can fit this into your budget, but the quad core might make things better for you. Now if your going to do more intensive games (Crysis, CoD4, etc.) than I'd stick with the x2 6000 or e6550 and get at least the 3850 GPU. Not sure how much you can afford or have budgeted, but I listed a few options to consider.

Edit: didn't see your previous post about XP 32 bit, so I'd stick with 2 x 1 gig DDR2. Since you said your not OC'ing than I'd stick w/x2 6000 and whichever mobo/GPU combo you can afford.
December 17, 2007 3:17:31 AM

i dont like ati cards :/ 
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December 17, 2007 3:21:32 AM

pedrohxn said:
i dont like ati cards :/ 

Okay? If your sticking w/nVidia, than a 8600gt is about the same as a 2600xt. And the 8800gt 256mb should be close to a 3850 GPU.

So what is your budget for your build/upgrade and what parts are you needing?
December 17, 2007 3:23:15 AM

hmmm...
thank you for your time buddy...
and im planning ind spend 500$...
i need a new mobo, vga, processor and much ram as possible in xp 32bits :D 
December 17, 2007 3:44:40 AM

Whadda mean Intel's too expensive?! $85 E2180 vs $140 5600+???

Anyhow if you're not going to overclock, AMD should be fine. I'll recommend the 5200+ 65nm one (2.7ghz). It's ~$25 cheaper and only performs slightly less (2.8ghz vs 2.7ghz).

Ram...they're all the same pretty much. Since you're not going to overclock, buy the cheapest ones you can get from a trusted name like Patriot, OCZ, Crucial, Kingston...etc...also buy 4x1gig and not 2x2gig.

As for vidcard, currently ATI holds the midrange spot. The 3850 is the best bang for your buck at $169.99. The closest Nvidia has got for that price range is the 8800GT 256mb, which is around $210. It does perform better than the 3850, but the 3850 is more valuable. In higher resolutions, the 3850 512mb can beat the 8800GT 256mb.

As for mobo....sorry not familiar with AM2 socket mobos....
December 17, 2007 3:55:59 AM

only 85$?
wow, sorry man, i didnt know :D 

thank you again!
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December 17, 2007 4:37:11 AM

Evilonigiri said:
Whadda mean Intel's too expensive?! $85 E2180 vs $140 5600+???

Anyhow if you're not going to overclock, AMD should be fine. I'll recommend the 5200+ 65nm one (2.7ghz). It's ~$25 cheaper and only performs slightly less (2.8ghz vs 2.7ghz).

Ram...they're all the same pretty much. Since you're not going to overclock, buy the cheapest ones you can get from a trusted name like Patriot, OCZ, Crucial, Kingston...etc...also buy 4x1gig and not 2x2gig.

As for vidcard, currently ATI holds the midrange spot. The 3850 is the best bang for your buck at $169.99. The closest Nvidia has got for that price range is the 8800GT 256mb, which is around $210. It does perform better than the 3850, but the 3850 is more valuable. In higher resolutions, the 3850 512mb can beat the 8800GT 256mb.

As for mobo....sorry not familiar with AM2 socket mobos....

If he's not going to OC (which he should, unless not comfortable with it) than the Intel option is generally more $. Yeah the 65nm 5200+ might be a better option, since he's only got $500 do spend.
December 17, 2007 4:42:26 AM

u need less than 4gb with xp32
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December 17, 2007 5:18:06 AM

Okay here's the $500 upgrade:
CPU - $280 shipped! Probably the best you can get for CPU intensive programs for the $.
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Quad-Core Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mobo - $90 shipped!! One of the best p35 mobo's out there. OC's well and can take up to 8gb of DDR2!
GIGABYTE Intel® P35 + ICH9 Chipset DDR2 1066 ATX GA-P35-DS3L Motherboard Retail
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

GPU - $110 - $20 MIR = $90! Nice and decent budget GPU for the $. You can use the eVga "Step up" program w/in 90 days, if you want something more later and only have to pay the difference :) 
EVGA 256-P2-N751-TR GeForce 8600GT 256MB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM - $55 shipped - $15 MIR - $40! Nice CAS4 800mHz DDR2. Hard to beat at this price.
A-DATA Extreme Edition 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total ~$535 - $35 MIR's = $500!!! Right on the nose! You would benefit the most with the Quad core for your CPU intensive programs, but you could also downgrade to a e6750 for about $100 less. This would allow you to get a better GPU or maybe some other component that you want. You can decide, but I think this best fits your current needs. You'll have the option to upgrade the CPU late next year to a Penryn (45nm) chip, if you like. All you'll have to do is just pull the old one and drop in the new one, but I don't think you'll need to do that for quite some time.
December 17, 2007 5:49:22 AM

Using Photoshop, Illustrator, Premier etc. is very intensive on the system. These applications would benefit greatly from a quad core CPU. The Q6600, a nice Intel P35 motherboard from ASUS/Gigabyte/Abit etc., 4GB memory and a Geforce 8600 GT or Radeon 2600 XT as a minimum for the video card would be a great system.
December 17, 2007 8:39:43 PM

what about 3gb ram?
2x1gb 2x512mb ?
December 17, 2007 8:45:51 PM

2x1gig and 2x512mb wouldn't run in dual channel. Just get 4x1gb, that way you can run in dual channel.
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