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Asus' G51J: Affordable Core i7 Mobile Gaming?

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November 20, 2009 5:28:17 AM

Can't wait to see what Asus comes up with next!
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November 20, 2009 5:36:40 AM

Wow, Asus seems to be churrning out good gaming laptops... Not bad for the price of $1500. The other i7 msi gaming laptop seemed like a good price but with mobile nvidia 280m is too costly and the gtx260m isnt all that bad i guess but at$1600plus.... the 4850m Ati gpu is supposed to be closer to its actual full pc part thus making it a sure bet for gpu power on a small laptop.... Interesting stuff we are seeing... Now we can wait 6more months for larrabee to come out for the laptop mobile market....

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November 20, 2009 5:39:09 AM

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We almost got there in 2004 with ATI's Radeon 9600 XT-based Mobility Radeon 9700.


Was it only that long ago? It feels like forever.
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November 20, 2009 6:08:00 AM

"With a single intake vent, G51J users should pay special attention to leg position when using the unit as a laptop."

WRONG!!!
That circular 'vent' does not go through. It is not used for cooling, it is only aesthetic.

The intake vents are those slits around the RAM , the 2 hard drives bays and around the video card. Thus leg position is NOT important. The cooling system is very good.
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November 20, 2009 6:08:27 AM

Does this laptop not support RAID like it's predecessors?
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November 20, 2009 6:18:30 AM

the cooling is NOT good, and these are known for running VERY hot

That said, the Asus G51 series is by far the most common gaming oriented laptop as its performance is stellar for the price

A better cooled system would be the Alienware M15x or the Clevo W860CU (both also 15"). Clevo also offers a comparable 17", the W870CU

Good cooling means that each heat producing thing has its own fan and set of fins/heatpipes (which takes a larger notebook)
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November 20, 2009 6:37:41 AM

www.rjtech.com - Clevo D900F = $1759
Microcenter i7 920 = $200
250GB 7200 RPM = $65

Total = $2024
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November 20, 2009 7:21:58 AM

scook9Good cooling means that each heat producing thing has its own fan and set of fins/heatpipes (which takes a larger notebook)


So, then does this notebook have good cooling for it's size? It is having to dissipate quite a bit of power when both the CPU (45 watts TDP) and GPU (75 watts) have their pipelines full. Yes it can run hot internally, but the underside of the case stays out of roasting-balls and/or pubic hair range because the motherboard is screwed into the laptop from the underside of the keyboard instead being attached to the bottom of the case.

I do agree that a second fan would be an awesome improvement, or have the one replaced with one that can move more air.

I would venture that few laptops can dissipate that much heat as well as this one of this size. One that may have better cooling would be the HP envy 15, and some of the exotic laptops.. imo
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November 20, 2009 7:33:42 AM

Hey everyone! Look at the first picture on page 3. Do you see the battery slider to the right of the battery? When that slider is open (so battery in unlocked from that end), it uncovers red plastic, as shown in that pic.

This slider I suspect is NOT spring loaded but the left slider IS.
I have the G50VT (predecessor), and this is the case with mine and often the battery has been dislodged in my computer case as I walk from class to class, cutting power to the RAM when in sleep mode.. I ended up taping my battery in with scotch tape! Worked like a charm.


http://s909.photobucket.com/albums/ac295/danwat1234/g50...
I venture the guess that this issue has not been fixed.
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November 20, 2009 8:07:48 AM

danwat1234, that's not a design defect, it's a feature. If both switches were spring loaded it'd be a lot harder to remove the battery.
My HP laptop is built the same way, and it hasn't caused any major problems... just be careful how you carry it!
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November 20, 2009 9:19:15 AM

@danwat1234 if both latches were spring-loaded, you'd need three hands to remove the battery!

That said, those latches do look pretty weak, so you do have a point.

Scotch-taping the battery down the way you did is also overkill - taping the latches into their locked positions would have sufficed.
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November 20, 2009 9:22:41 AM

OK guys, here's the deal:

1.) The "Fake" intake is the real main intake. If it's blocked, there's enough space between the fan and the hole to draw air from other places such as the slits over the RAM.
2.) The bottom doesn't get hot, but you can almost roast vienna sausages from the side outlet.
3.) In the photo, the battery is unclipped on one side. It is a design feature to make battery removal easier. It did not affect testing.
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November 20, 2009 11:00:43 AM

hmmmmm
the real thing is desktops are still better for gaming...who agrees with the article and me there?
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November 20, 2009 11:50:16 AM

Anyone know if this thing is much faster for games than the Asus G51Vx-X3A?? Seems like the X3A is a better deal at $1300.
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November 20, 2009 12:03:00 PM

danwat1234"With a single intake vent, G51J users should pay special attention to leg position when using the unit as a laptop." WRONG!!!That circular 'vent' does not go through. It is not used for cooling, it is only aesthetic. The intake vents are those slits around the RAM , the 2 hard drives bays and around the video card. Thus leg position is NOT important. The cooling system is very good.

I will back up this post as well. I have an Asus laptop with the same cooler design. If you actually take it apart, you're realize that the giant circular 'intake' at the bottom doesn't actually go through anything. I'll admit, it's a little misleading when your laptop has a giant circular grill looking thing at the bottom lined with mesh and it ends up pretty much doing nothing.
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November 20, 2009 2:02:43 PM

Lets see where the FAIL happens in this laptop:
Nvidia GeForce GTX 260M 1.0GB
Six-cell 11.1V 4800mAh
15.6" LED Backlit 1080p (1920x1080)

For $1500, you might as well spend the $100 for the MSI model. However, MSI, ASUS, and Eurocom represent some of the best companies in laptops. Its league all its own.
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November 20, 2009 3:10:16 PM

I can't see any reason to not buy the MSI over the ASUS laptop. My reasons are also the same as the above post. For a little more money, you get a larger screen and more powerful GPU. Sure, then ASUS has a better CPU, but GPU is more important in this case.
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November 20, 2009 3:15:06 PM

Wouldn't it make more sense to test game performance at each laptop's native screen res? That's how the games would look best and how most of us would set them up anyway so it seems it would be a more realistic comparison.
The Asus would be 1920x1080.
The Eurocom would be 1900x1200.
The MSI would be 1680x1050.
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November 20, 2009 4:07:39 PM

so why is the HP envy not on this list... corei7 ati 4830...
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November 20, 2009 4:08:19 PM

The battery life sucks. I wouldn't get it. Things always break when you have too much power in one small device. This thing is gonna generate a lot of heat so the life span is probably gonna suck.
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November 20, 2009 4:55:44 PM

Computer_LotsWouldn't it make more sense to test game performance at each laptop's native screen res? That's how the games would look best and how most of us would set them up anyway so it seems it would be a more realistic comparison. The Asus would be 1920x1080.The Eurocom would be 1900x1200.The MSI would be 1680x1050.


actually the MSI is 1920x1200 and the Eurocom is 1920x1200. Thus, to make it fair you have to test the Asus at 1920x1200. But to make it relevent you also have to test the Asus at 1920x1080. And that's what happened. 1920x1080 isn't in the charts because the other notebooks have already been sent back, but it is in the comments.

Also, since 1920x1080 WAS tested, you can look forward to the results being used in future comparisons.
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November 20, 2009 4:58:23 PM

eagle07so why is the HP envy not on this list... corei7 ati 4830...


When HP sends it you can be sure it will be tested

masterasiaThe battery life sucks. I wouldn't get it. Things always break when you have too much power in one small device. This thing is gonna generate a lot of heat so the life span is probably gonna suck.


It's not too much power, it's too small a battery. Asus also offers a 9-cell battery, which Tom's is suggesting should be made available everywhere or perhaps even added to the package. Tom's would rather have a 9-cell battery than a backpack.
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November 20, 2009 5:04:11 PM

Anyone who's getting a gaming machine with a 17" screen isn't going to be playing games on battery power.

Heat isn't an issue if you apply Arctic Silver 5 or better thermal compound and do maintenance to make sure the exhausts aren't clogged. If it's the GPU that's heating up, then get a decent notebook cooler.

I've been looking at building a D900F myself a couple months ago, but decided against it. The price isn't $4500, but closer $2100 if you know how to take apart a notebook properly. For $600 more, I'd recommend building your own D900F with an i7 920.

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November 20, 2009 5:39:27 PM

homrqtThe literary imagery in this article is laid on pretty thick. Who wrote this? Oscar Wilde? aha


erf?
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November 20, 2009 7:05:13 PM

tortnotesdanwat1234, that's not a design defect, it's a feature. If both switches were spring loaded it'd be a lot harder to remove the battery. My HP laptop is built the same way, and it hasn't caused any major problems... just be careful how you carry it!


I understand what your saying. It would be hard to remove the battery by holding back the two sliders and flicking the battery out with fingers. The problem is that this non spring loaded slider is on the same side as where the battery terminals are ... if they reversed which sliders were spring loaded, it would be unlikely that power could be cut with the one still latched in..
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November 20, 2009 7:33:13 PM

I have one of these, had it for about 1 week and it is nasty. It it my 1st laptop ever but it beats up my E8400 @4GHz desktop =)

The Core i7 is amazing and I slipped in a 80 GB Intel SSD since it comes with 2 320GB drives. Solid state owns face.

This laptop plays Left 4 Dead and other steam games like TF2, Borderlands around 60 FPS (also locked with vsync) at 1080 with some eye candy filters on!
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November 20, 2009 8:04:44 PM

When it comes to gaming laptops, it seems like 2009-10 Asus is what Gateway was in 2007-08.
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November 20, 2009 10:48:22 PM

I'm surprised no one has stated a rather obvious fact about this article. Why in the hell are you comparing a 15" laptop with two 17" laptops? Apples to Apples, not Apples to Oranges. Compare it with Alienware's 15" and Sager/Clevo, or other 15" laptops. People would be getting a 15" laptop because that's what they are looking for. If people want a 17" laptop, then they will be looking for that.
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November 20, 2009 11:03:17 PM

mac_angelI'm surprised no one has stated a rather obvious fact about this article. Why in the hell are you comparing a 15" laptop with two 17" laptops? Apples to Apples, not Apples to Oranges. Compare it with Alienware's 15" and Sager/Clevo, or other 15" laptops. People would be getting a 15" laptop because that's what they are looking for. If people want a 17" laptop, then they will be looking for that.


Sanity is why. Asus's processor is a market-replacement for the one in MSI's notebook. Asus's GPU is NVIDIA's competitive solution for the ATI module in MSI's notebook. Apples-to apples applies to hardware too.

In fact, going by gaming frame rates, hardware level is the only way to compare notebook performance. It's as close to a perfect comparison of previous-generation to new-generation technology you'll find. Display size doesn't affect performance.

Also, the Asus and MSI notebooks are about the same size. MSI uses more of the lid for its larger panel. Asus wastes more space.

As for the Eurocom, it's the Desktop-vs-Notebook Core i7 comparison. It has nothing to do with price, it's all about relative performance.

Of course this is explained in the article.
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November 21, 2009 1:59:46 PM

I love Asus....
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November 21, 2009 2:05:52 PM

For 1500 USD I can make a kick-ass gaming desktop!
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November 21, 2009 3:46:44 PM

avatar_raqFor 1500 USD I can make a kick-ass gaming desktop!


Try carrying that on a plane!
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November 21, 2009 5:26:31 PM

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As for the Eurocom, it's the Desktop-vs-Notebook Core i7 comparison. It has nothing to do with price, it's all about relative performance.

Of course this is explained in the article.


If it has nothing to do with price, you should change the title so it doesn't include the word, "Affordable".

"Asus' G51J: Affordable Core i7 Mobile Gaming?"

You might also want to change the wording in your summary:

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Mobility and gaming have been at odds for a long time, but Asus thinks its G51J could be the solution. With Intel Core i7 Mobile CPU technology and Nvidia’s recent GeForce GTX-260M, is this mid-sized, mid-priced notebook too good to be true at ~$1,500?


It all points to me that it has everything to do with the price with the relative performance results of your tests.

I would think with the results of your tests, the D900F costing at ~$2,000 is much better than the Asus' G51J at ~$1,500. Not only that, but that you put the cost of a non-DIY D900F at $4,500 on a hardware site where a good portions of users visit to build their own machines?
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November 21, 2009 5:57:01 PM

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It all points to me that it has everything to do with the price with the relative performance results of your tests.

I would think with the results of your tests, the D900F costing at ~$2,000 is much better than the Asus' G51J at ~$1,500. Not only that, but that you put the cost of a non-DIY D900F at $4,500 on a hardware site where a good portions of users visit to build their own machines?
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Right, the price difference between the D900F and the other notebooks is constantly mentioned. But the Asus and MSI are in the same class for everything BUT screen size, and that's only because Asus has a wider frame around its screen.

IE, Asus economized a little on the screen for a notebook that would otherwise be considered the same size class as the MSI. We think the larger MSI screen is worth the extra $100 but that when you equalize the cost of "everything else" by making such an adjustment, the newer hardware looks a little better.

And that's really the point: At a similar price the new hardware outpaces the old slightly. Loads of notebooks using the older hardware are still being manufactured, so now you can see how much of a difference there is.
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November 21, 2009 6:48:56 PM

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Right, the price difference between the D900F and the other notebooks is constantly mentioned. But the Asus and MSI are in the same class for everything BUT screen size, and that's only because Asus has a wider frame around its screen.

IE, Asus economized a little on the screen for a notebook that would otherwise be considered the same size class as the MSI. We think the larger MSI screen is worth the extra $100 but that when you equalize the cost of "everything else" by making such an adjustment, the newer hardware looks a little better.

And that's really the point: At a similar price the new hardware outpaces the old slightly. Loads of notebooks using the older hardware are still being manufactured, so now you can see how much of a difference there is.

I agree with the Asus and MSI comparison. An i7 720QM looks to be very good against a Q9000. An important comparison to include would be to have a notebook that had a T9600 (or 2.8GHz Dual Core) to see where the differences lie between a single-threaded workload (one core), to a lightly-threaded workload (2 cores), to a highly-threaded workloads (4 cores).

Single-threaded workload (1 core) - The i7 720QM and the T9600 should be the same, if the Intel Turbo Boost works as designed since both CPU's would be working at 2.8 GHz frequencies.

Lightly-threaded workload (2 cores) - The T9600 should have the advantage here, since the Intel Turbo Boost would utilize one more core at a slightly lower frequency. This test result showing the T9600 having the lead would better compare what's better between an i7 720QM and a Q9000 during lightly-threaded workloads.

Highly-threaded workloads (4 cores) - The Q9000 should have the advantage here, as it would operate at a 2.0 GHz frequency as opposed to a 1.6 GHz for 4 cores. However, how much having hyper-threading disable or enabled makes a difference with the i7 720QM would be a great addition.

The difference between the GTX 260M and the Radeon HD 4850 (mobile) seem favorable to the Radeon HD 4850 (mobile). You do have to throw away the 1920 x 1200 results for the ASUS, unless you scaled down the resolutions for the others to 1920 x 1080 for frame rate comparisons. Game frame rate tests would be a little more difficult to compare unless you would be able to find an i7 720QM rig that had a Radeon HD 4850 or a Q9000 rig that had a GTX 260M to compare.

Price comparisons shouldn't need to come into play. This article should have been broken up into 3 articles. One for the CPU differences, one for the GPU differences, and one for notebook values based on the results.

One notebook could be better for gaming, but another could be better for running applications for a workstation/multimedia machine. That would be a more difficult article.

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November 21, 2009 7:46:42 PM

El_Capitan said:
...An important comparison to include would be to have a notebook that had a T9600 (or 2.8GHz Dual Core) to see where the differences lie between a single-threaded workload (one core), to a lightly-threaded workload (2 cores), to a highly-threaded workloads (4 cores)...This article should have been broken up into 3 articles. One for the CPU differences, one for the GPU differences, and one for notebook values based on the results.

One notebook could be better for gaming, but another could be better for running applications for a workstation/multimedia machine. That would be a more difficult article.


Excellent analysis, I guess that's why you call yourself the captain!
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November 21, 2009 9:12:05 PM

Np, that's why I keep coming here for the articles, it's always nice to see these comparisons. I just nitpick about some details. :) 
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November 23, 2009 1:30:24 AM

I'm surprised by the 1-year accidental warranty being included...
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November 23, 2009 9:45:30 AM

great 15" notebook to slap a SSD drive in for the OS and still have plenty of storage!
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November 23, 2009 4:29:10 PM

testing laptops in defrent standards means this compration is not fair higher res leach more power and drain its core wich is easyer for lower res to jump of higher shoulders
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November 23, 2009 5:02:11 PM

jassimtesting laptops in defrent standards means this compration is not fair higher res leach more power and drain its core wich is easyer for lower res to jump of higher shoulders


The two cheapest systems are in the same price class, same CPU class, and same GPU class, and were tested at the same resolutions.
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December 3, 2009 1:44:06 AM

If only ATI would release the 5xxx mobility...
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December 8, 2009 3:08:56 AM

If only Nvidia would release the 300 series...
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December 8, 2009 3:11:03 AM

Why did I get get a '-6' on my question about RAID support? How does this deserve thumbs down!? RAID stand for Redundant Array of Independent/Inexpensive Disks NOT anything immature .. lol some people hate me here..
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December 8, 2009 3:16:39 AM

danwat1234Why did I get get a '-6' on my question about RAID support? How does this deserve thumbs down!? RAID stand for Redundant Array of Independent/Inexpensive Disks NOT anything immature .. lol some people hate me here..


You probably got downgraded for not reading the article:

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The G51J BIOS provides no mode selection for the hard drive controller, so setting these in RAID is not an option. For benchmarking purposes, it’s best to consider only the single drive that’s being tested, since the other is nothing more than added storage.
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December 8, 2009 3:37:19 AM

Oh yeah now I remember! That's why I asked because it is unbelievable! RAID is one of the selling points.

My bad though.
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December 14, 2009 9:56:37 AM

I buy the HP DV6 i7 quad, this is the notebook i never have before. no speed, overheat, and a lot a lot problem in this notebook.

come on. no more HP la.. they only support the pre-install system. and the speed is not same as your expect, here is the information

http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Operating-systems-and-soft...

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