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May 10, 2008 1:14:22 AM

Right so for the safety and protection of those involved all names and companies have been renamed to protect them... this is actually a HUGE LIE, nothing has been modified cause everything is jacked up!!

So the story starts out with me buying and building my almost dream PC (my dream PC would have had 2 "Duo 2 Core" 3.8GHz processors but I didn't really deem it necessary to throw out the extra cash) but anywa, part of my dream PC was also a rocking liquid cooling kit. Now that I did throw the money out for, infact about $270 USD for it infact. Now the CEO (John Lyon) of Cool-IT Systems himself told me it would manage a Intel Pentium 4 3.2GHz processor (641 Model), the receptionist at the company told me it would, John the Tech Support guy told me it would... it didn't... it leaked on my ATI Radeon X1950 XTX Graphics Card (at the time it was thee best GPU and cost me $475 - I had gotten a coupon for it :D  ). So I freaked out and sent it to them for repairs, John Lyon told me their liquid in the kits had frozen in the warehouse... I believed him, got the kit back... it leaked again, except this time a LOT worse, half of the card was covered with their pretty blue liquid that made me scream like a blonde in a horror film. It also leaked on my Creative Labs SOund Blaster X-Fi Fatality Sound Card, my Western Digital Raptor-X 150GB hard drive and 1 drop on my Intel D975 XBX 2 Motherboard, and of course all over the bottom of the case. The system runs ok minus the fact that I get a slow down on certain areas of "Hitman: Blood Money" and it took me a long time to figure out for a hundred percent certainty if it was infact the spill or the drivers or the game etc. (with PC software it is always something, is it not?).
So what is my point to all this you ask??... Good question. My point is that after this I did some studying and as it turns out a $24.00 USD copper processor heat sink, with 80mm fan at the front of the case and a 120mm fan at the read of the case, cools almsot twice as well as their FreeZone liquid cooling kit. On top of that it won't LITTERALLY fall apart (the tube MELTED and the little metal sign FELL OFF!! - while playing Hitman: Blood Money) and the fans won't ever leak blue stuff all over your beautiful and might I add EXPENSIVE PC!!

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May 10, 2008 1:58:25 AM

I feel for you, mate.

That's partly why I stick to air cooling. WC has the potential to leak fluids into your case, and it's a pain to clean up/fix afterwards.

So...where does the revenge come into place?
May 10, 2008 2:15:37 AM

That's why you do your research first and don't buy some cheapo pos watercooling kit. I spend only $30 more and picked all the separate components myself after a month of research and it'll kick an air cooling setup clear across the country.
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May 10, 2008 2:40:07 AM

I get the same results as the best non-chilled H20 system with the use of the right case/fan/Thermalright cooler for -alot- less money.

As for those leaks you had...they are your own fault. You should have done like others and tested the system befor you installed it.
May 10, 2008 2:48:38 AM

I would have to agree with APieceOfCheese, you should have done more research before you bought your watercooling kit. The hose connections look real cheap on that unit. My unit uses all compression fittings and also tells you to run the system for a while to check for leaks before powering up your computer. I've been very happy with my watercooling system and have used it on two completely different computers so far. It has never topped 35c ever.
May 10, 2008 3:18:44 AM

stoner133 said:
It has never topped 35c ever.



Same here. ambient is about 25c and temps range from 30 idle to 35 load even with a ton of heat pouring into the loop from two oc'ed parts.
May 10, 2008 4:36:58 AM

That's why I stick to air. At least you gave Cool-IT Systems a little bad press.
May 10, 2008 1:40:54 PM

I did do research, other companies said their kits wouldn't handle the processor and Cool-t Systems said it would easily hanlde it
As for how am I getting revenge??
By stating the company is being run halfassed and will invariable go belly up and spreading my story across the planet :D 
May 10, 2008 8:37:53 PM

Ah I see.

Well then, I will never buy from Cool-It Systems :) 
May 12, 2008 7:07:10 AM

And this is the reason why i ALWAYS recommend Do-it-yourself and lots of RESEARCH when it comes to watercooling. That way, if it leaks, then person who assembles the cooling loop is the one to blame (Barring the extremely rare manufatcturer defect in current watercooling components).
May 15, 2008 1:28:06 AM

Also I had tested it and there were no leaks!
It started leaking after about an hour or so, meaning it leaked because they didn't know that the water doesn't lose its heat fast enough and the tube MELT!! Not to mention the fact that the cheap double sided tape they used to hold the metal onto the main pump of it came undone and the stupid peice of junk FELL OFF. And as previously stated I did research and all in all the only real way to get "research" about a product is to either get your information from the company, yourself or a third party and well fact remains EVERYBODY SAID IT WAS FANTASTIC!! Everybody said it didn't leak, that it came assembled and all you had to do was install it. Granted installation was a pain on account of the tubes being a little short, but I managed. Also, if anyone here knows physics (I learned this littlebit of information just after the second leak), water is very bad a removing heat from an object, which is what a heat sink does. Ideally a heat sink made of gold would be perfect, it would also be financially masacistic. Second to having a heat sink made of gold would be having one made out of aluminum, which is by far a lot less expensive and there for a better way to go. Thrid is silver and fourth is copper. One thing you may have noticed is that with all of these liquid cooling kits they use aluminum and copper. So if you would just buy a aluminum heat sink, a side case fan to blow air onto the processor heat sink and a fan in the front and the biggest read case fan you can get it would cool your system better. How do I know this you ask? That's what I did and what I am currently doing. My fans and solid copper heat sink cool the processor by about 6 degrees cooler than the cooling kit did and on top of that all of the main cooling kit companies (ThermalTake, Cooler Master, Corsair) said their stuff wouldn't handle an intel P4 3.2GHz processor.
May 15, 2008 1:59:07 AM

x1950xtxvengence said:
water is very bad a removing heat from an object


Umm...no it's not. Go stand outside in 60 degree weather. Then jump in a 60 degree lake. They are the same temperature but the water feels colder because it's sucking the heat out of your body much more rapidly than the air.
May 15, 2008 2:23:30 AM

APieceOfCheese said:
Umm...no it's not. Go stand outside in 60 degree weather. Then jump in a 60 degree lake. They are the same temperature but the water feels colder because it's sucking the heat out of your body much more rapidly than the air.

You're getting the wrong idea. It's only equal to jumping in a lake if you immerse your entire pc in water.

For water cooling, the heat is first transfered from cpu to heatsink, then to water, then to the cooler's heatsink where the fans on cooler and transfered to air.

For air cooling, the heat is transfered from cpu to heatsink, where it is transfered by fan to air.

The difference is less steps in between for air cooling. A water cooler must have large enough main unit to give it enough surface area and multiple fans to disperse the heat to outperform air cooler. The fact that water cooler need to go through more steps in heat transfer is a disadvantage, not an advantage. Air cooler, having to be mounted on the cpu socket itself, is limited in size and surface area, and thus, at a disadvantage to water cooling even though heat is transfered more directly.
May 15, 2008 2:37:21 AM

That wasn't what I said. He said water is bad at absorbing heat. I said he was wrong.
May 15, 2008 3:05:26 AM

APieceOfCheese said:
That wasn't what I said. He said water is bad at absorbing heat. I said he was wrong.

It's certainly worse compared to direct metal contact, instead of going through liquid medium. He's right, you're wrong. Both transfers to air in the end.
May 15, 2008 3:25:58 AM

Yes, both transfer to air in the end.
Yes, metal is a better conductor of heat.
But my point was that water is NOT a BAD conductor of heat.
May 15, 2008 12:34:02 PM

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so your saying tbe best type of heatsink for my h2o setup would b a aluminum one? besides gold....

Wouldn't copper be in between? But yeah, go for the gold. :na: 
May 15, 2008 10:13:45 PM

Actually number one is silver. So go find a silver one. Second is copper, then aluminum, then gold.

Aluminum is the cheapest, so naturally they are quite popular.
May 15, 2008 11:03:51 PM

Evilonigiri said:
Actually number one is silver. So go find a silver one. Second is copper, then aluminum, then gold.

Aluminum is the cheapest, so naturally they are quite popular.

Interesting, why is gold no good? :p 
May 15, 2008 11:07:20 PM

Cause that's how god made it? :??: 
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May 16, 2008 5:23:28 PM

Evilonigiri said:
Actually number one is silver. So go find a silver one. Second is copper, then aluminum, then gold.

Aluminum is the cheapest, so naturally they are quite popular.

Indeed silver is #1. I know some one who managed to embed a silver $1 coin to the base of a HSF using CNC milling,etc. Believe it dropped temps ~3C.
May 16, 2008 7:49:47 PM

I don't think fins made of silver would be practical since it tarnishes so quickly. Also (correct me if I'm wrong), but contacting two different metals will also result in some level of electrolysis. Copper to copper seems to be the smartest solution to me.
May 24, 2008 10:18:27 PM

Gold is best because it is has a very high thermal tranfer rate - it also would bankrupt you! lol
Silver, aluminum then copper in that order are the next line up. Most stock cooling mounts aren't even copper!!
Anyway the point I was making with saying that water isn't as good is that water doesn't get RID of the heat as fast as aluminum or gold. It absorbs it MUCH, MUCH, MUCH quicker, so you're right on that note. But it doesn't get rid of it as fast as a gold heat sink... also for the gold heat sink to really work the entire thing would have to be made of gold... which translates to few thousand dollars... so for the rich and ecentric only lol. So aluminum is best. The reason why so many companies use copper is because copper is cheap and is better than the stock heatsink. Silver is also too expensive, so all analysed suggestions would go with the aluminum but settle for the HUGE copper heat sink instead. Aluminum is more expensive than copper and that's why some companies don't make aluminum CPU fan heat sinks.
May 24, 2008 11:53:12 PM

Silver has the highest thermal conductivity of any metal, but it is not used because, as ClownBaby has said, it will tarnish. This is pure silver, mind you. Silver alloy won't conduct heat nearly as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver

Aluminum is used quite a lot only because it's very cheap and light. Copper, while a better heat conductor, is very heavy. The only reason why you don't see full copper heatsinks is because it'll weigh so damn much only for so much gain. That's why they only use copper heat pipes.

Water has a very high heat capacity. And transferring heat through liquid is much more efficient than through air. Knowing this, by having a lot of water and thinly spreading it out through the radiator, heat is transferred more efficiently (cost wise anyways).
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