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I'm looking at buying a new Dell 720 desktop, and am trying to decide between the 2 CPUs below:

Intel® Core™2 Q6600 Quad-Core (8MB L2 cache,2.4GHz,1066FSB)
Intel® Core™2 Duo Processor E6850 (4MB L2 Cache,3.0GHz,1333 FSB)

I'm looking for high performance now for games (probably the E6850), but could take slightly lower performance today (Q6600) if the quad core will bring me advantages tommorrow, when more games are multi-threaded.

Any advice? Dell's not currently offering the Q6700 in this machine, and I don't want to shell out the $$ for the Extreme CPUs.

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yes ... the quad is a bit more future proof ... sounds like you have already done a bit of reading.

Make sure you get at least a 3850 graphics card or higher - a 3870, 8800GT, GTS, GTX.

Then you can actually game at a decent res.

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Reply to reynod

How much are you paying for the rig? Get the q6600 since you'll have more options with multi-threaded applications/games later. I'm sure you can build you own for less than what Dell is having, but I'm not the one paying for it :) Yes, get at least a 3850,3870,8800gt and up for a decent gaming GPU.

Reply to lunyone

q6600 is more than enough for any game and should be more futureproof. E6850 may be faster in some games but it doesn't really matter much in real life.
The way I see it, only downside of q6600 would be more heat/noise, but still nothing to worry about for most people.

Reply to Rolenio

Advice (from one used to buy DELL): build your own. You'll get a better result, an upgradeble platform, *and* you'll learn how to maintain it yourself.

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Reply to nhobo

Dont go Dell. Build your own or find someone like me to custom build to your needs.
Link to the Dell you want And I bet I could build one and overclock it to qx6850 speeds for less money.


Message edited by roadrunner197069 on 12-18-2007 at 03:54:24 PM
Reply to roadrunner197069
------------------------------ Q6600@3.4+ TT V1 Cooler,SAPPHIRE HD 4870X2,ASUS MAXIMUS FORMULA,4GB OCZ DDR2 800,LG W2452V 1920x1200
Reply to Maziar

Q6600 FTW

------------------------------ Q6600 G0 @ 3.7Ghz | Abit IP35 PRO Rev.1.1 | OCZ Plat. Rev.2 4Gb PC6400 | BFG 8800GTS 640Mb @ 650/1900 | Dell 2405FPW | WD 500Gb SATA II | Antec Nine Hundred | Logitech G7 & G15 | Tuniq Tower | Antec NeoPower 650W | Vista HP 64 SP1
Reply to plguzman

If it was my money, I'd go against what the majority of people say and unless you're doing video/photo-editing or more importantly rendering, a dual-core for gaming is more than enough.
I think buy the time developers get around to making quad-core enabled programs/games the Q6600 is likely to be massively outclassed!
Remember how we were told we'd all be running 64-bit systems & programs, within a year, what, 3 years ago :D
Not to say I wouldn't upgrade my 6000+ if I thought a Phenom would give me more over the tasks I value from my processor (mostly gaming)

------------------------------ 6000+ Stock, GA M57SLi-S4, XFX 8800GTX's SLi Stock, 4Gb Corsair PC6400 DHX, CoolerMaster 850W, 36Gb Raptor boot drive, 2x150Gb Raptor's in RAID 0 - XFX RAID controller & 300Gb Seagate. PowerBook G4 12" 1.5GHz, Go5200 64mb, 768mb RAM, 80Gb HD, SuperDrive.
Reply to LukeBird

Go for the quad mate. Even in games that dont have that many threads going on, you'll then have in effect a 2.4ghz core 2 duo, which is more than suficient for gaming. Plus youve got the option to overclock later if you feel its lagging behind a bit, and 3.0ghz on air should be easy peasy. Think to the future! A quad will last you for years.

Reply to spoonboy

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lunyone wrote :

How much are you paying for the rig? Get the q6600 since you'll have more options with multi-threaded applications/games later. I'm sure you can build you own for less than what Dell is having, but I'm not the one paying for it :) Yes, get at least a 3850,3870,8800gt and up for a decent gaming GPU.



Below is what I'm currently spec'ing from Dell.....it's around $3400 plus tax (I get a small discount through work). I'd love any feedback on the options I've selected. Specifically, anyone know of any issues with running the Raid 0 harddrives? We run that config at work on high end Dell 690 workstations, and the HD performance kicks butt. I don't want any compatibility problems with any software utilities (defrag, backup, partioning, etc).


Dell XPS 720 - Red
Intel® Core™2 Q6600 Quad-Core (8MB L2 cache,2.4GHz,1066FSB)
Genuine Windows Vista® Ultimate (32bit)
3GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 800MHz - 4 DIMMs
320GB Performance RAID 0 (2 x 160GB WD Raptor SATA 1.5Gb/s 10,000 RPM HDDs)
Dual Drives: 16x DVD-ROM Drive + 16x DVD+/-RW w/ dbl layer write capable
24 inch UltraSharp™ 2407WFP Widescreen Digital Flat Panel
768MB Nvidia GeForce 8800 GTX
Sound Blaster® X-Fi™ XtremeGamer (D) Sound Card
Dell USB Enhanced Multimedia Keyboard
Razer Copperhead Tempest Blue Gaming Mouse (ships separately)
Dell WL6000 5.8GHz Wireless Rear 5.1 Speaker System with Subwoofer


the E6850 CPU is about $50 more than the Q6600

I'm not really interested at this point in building my own or having one custom built by someone. I've had excellent experience with Dell PCs (the last 2 have run for 8yrs and 4 yrs without a hiccup).

Reply to The_Andy

Looks very nice!
The only thing I would query is, 3Gb RAM - 4DIMMs?
That should be 4Gb RAM in 2 or 4 DIMMs, I woul assume :)

------------------------------ 6000+ Stock, GA M57SLi-S4, XFX 8800GTX's SLi Stock, 4Gb Corsair PC6400 DHX, CoolerMaster 850W, 36Gb Raptor boot drive, 2x150Gb Raptor's in RAID 0 - XFX RAID controller & 300Gb Seagate. PowerBook G4 12" 1.5GHz, Go5200 64mb, 768mb RAM, 80Gb HD, SuperDrive.
Reply to LukeBird

LukeBird wrote :

Looks very nice!
The only thing I would query is, 3Gb RAM - 4DIMMs?
That should be 4Gb RAM in 2 or 4 DIMMs, I woul assume :)



4gb is an option, but 32bit windows can only use 3gb. need 64bit windows to access more memory

Reply to The_Andy

The_Andy wrote :

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Below is what I'm currently spec'ing from Dell.....it's around $3400 plus tax (I get a small discount through work). I'd love any feedback on the options I've selected. Specifically, anyone know of any issues with running the Raid 0 harddrives? We run that config at work on high end Dell 690 workstations, and the HD performance kicks butt. I don't want any compatibility problems with any software utilities (defrag, backup, partioning, etc).


Dell XPS 720 - Red
Intel® Core™2 Q6600 Quad-Core (8MB L2 cache,2.4GHz,1066FSB)
Genuine Windows Vista® Ultimate (32bit)
3GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 800MHz - 4 DIMMs
320GB Performance RAID 0 (2 x 160GB WD Raptor SATA 1.5Gb/s 10,000 RPM HDDs)
Dual Drives: 16x DVD-ROM Drive + 16x DVD+/-RW w/ dbl layer write capable
24 inch UltraSharp™ 2407WFP Widescreen Digital Flat Panel
768MB Nvidia GeForce 8800 GTX
Sound Blaster® X-Fi™ XtremeGamer (D) Sound Card
Dell USB Enhanced Multimedia Keyboard
Razer Copperhead Tempest Blue Gaming Mouse (ships separately)
Dell WL6000 5.8GHz Wireless Rear 5.1 Speaker System with Subwoofer


the E6850 CPU is about $50 more than the Q6600

I'm not really interested at this point in building my own or having one custom built by someone. I've had excellent experience with Dell PCs (the last 2 have run for 8yrs and 4 yrs without a hiccup).


Wow!!! $3400???? I'd love to spend that on a system, but I'd build myself the same performance for $2000 or less :) I'd question the 3gb w/4dimm's, I'm thinking that they are saying 3gb with 4 dimm slots with maybe 2 or 4 of the slots taken up, but that is just a guess. The only other thing that jumps out at me is the 8800gtx. I'd opt for a 8800gt if there was that option. It'll run cooler and generally quieter than a 8800gtx and be pretty much the same performance. It'll also be about 1/2 the price too :) With the setup that you have picked, I'd probably not get the wireless speaker system, since I'm sure it's quite spendy. If you really need it than get it, but I don't know if I'd get it. If that option isn't too much than by all means get what you want. Most of the time when I'm gaming I use a headset and don't need the use of speakers, so that's where I'm coming from, on the speaker issue. Get what you like, I'm just pointing out things to think about. As far as the CPU for gaming goes, I'd find it hard to spend $50 more for the e6850 over the q6600, IMHO. One other thing, since your getting a Raptor HD already, just get a larger 2nd HD (like 320-500gig) for your storage. I think the raptors now are just overrated and over priced for what you get for desktop applications. I don't know how well workstations do with RAID, but you would know that better than me.

Reply to lunyone

You'll be paying slightly less then double what you could build it for. You could build it around $1700.00 Or I could build it for you and OC it to 3.5 for $2300. A dell wont be overclockable.

Reply to roadrunner197069

roadrunner197069 wrote :

You'll be paying slightly less then double what you could build it for. You could build it around $1700.00 Or I could build it for you and OC it to 3.5 for $2300. A dell wont be overclockable.


Yeah, but will you support it for 1-3 years? He says that he doesn't want to build it or have someone build it for him. I just don't like to see $1k go down the drain. Most people salivate over the thought of building a system close to $1k, so you can see where I'm coming from there. Oh well, if he wants to buy a Dell, let him do it. It's his $.

Reply to lunyone

I myself think there's nothing wrong with Dell. I bought a laptop from the a while ago and the customer care has been great, certainly wouldn't have got that if i built it myself!

Fair enough, they cost a bit more but if you're not too good with technology they're great.

Reply to quantumsheep

Warranty? Sure no problem. My systems will last longer then 3 years so I'm not worried. Besides if you like to talk to Chinnese or Indoneise for support by all means get a DEll.

Reply to roadrunner197069

Being in the repair career, I would never buy a Dell. 90% of systems I have fixed or replaced are Dells.

Reply to roadrunner197069

:heink: . o O (Errr Ummm... sounds like you wouldn't have much of a career, if nobody brought dells.)

Reply to Grimmy

The only part worth buying from Dell is the monitor.

Vista is crap. The GTX is expensive and obsolete. Raptors are HUGELY expensive and RAID0 is worthless in terms of performance. Who needs a $70 mouse?

Go ahead, throw away your money. Come to a builder's forum and ask about an overpriced prebuilt ... I could take 2 grand off that price, still have the 24" Dell monitor and have a kick-ass system.

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roadrunner197069 wrote :

Being in the repair career, I would never buy a Dell. 90% of systems I have fixed or replaced are Dells.

 

be happy, u get ur salary+comissions because of dell. if i was in ur place. i would recommend dell higligy. :lol:


Message edited by night_wolf_in on 12-19-2007 at 03:55:24 PM
------------------------------ Q6600 @ 3Ghz | zalman 9700NT cooler | gigabyte P35-DS3L | Kingstone DDR2 667 2GB x 2 | HIS 4850HD with Accelero S1 Rev.2 | enermax Liberty 500w | Coolermaster C5 case |
Reply to night_wolf_in

I had some Dells in the past, but eventually I started to build my own systems, and now I'm not getting back. Building is easy, cheaper, the warranty is the same and the performance is far superior. If you get a laptop then you have to get a brand computer since a laptop can't be built yet, but in a desktop is a no brainer to me.

...oh and I kept the monitor from my last Dell lol.

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Message edited by plguzman on 12-19-2007 at 03:59:38 PM
------------------------------ Q6600 G0 @ 3.7Ghz | Abit IP35 PRO Rev.1.1 | OCZ Plat. Rev.2 4Gb PC6400 | BFG 8800GTS 640Mb @ 650/1900 | Dell 2405FPW | WD 500Gb SATA II | Antec Nine Hundred | Logitech G7 & G15 | Tuniq Tower | Antec NeoPower 650W | Vista HP 64 SP1
Reply to plguzman

roadrunner197069 wrote :

Warranty? Sure no problem. My systems will last longer then 3 years so I'm not worried. Besides if you like to talk to Chinnese or Indoneise for support by all means get a DEll.

What do you mean Chinese or Indoneise for support ?

 


Reply to slicessoul

plguzman wrote :

I had some Dells in the past, but eventually I started to build my own systems, and now I'm not getting back. Building is easy, cheaper, the warranty is the same and the performance is far superior. If you get a laptop then you have to get a brand computer since a laptop can't be built yet, but in a desktop is a no brainer to me.

...oh and I kept the monitor from my last Dell lol.


Actually you can get parts to build laptops, but they are hard to find and very expensive.

Reply to roadrunner197069

Actually you can get equal or better warranties through the manufacturer of each part, such as:

Some video card vendors offer free lifetime warranties. EVGA offers a lifetime warranty that protects from replacing the stock cooler AND overclocking (except over-voltage), and has the Step-Up program, so anytime within 3 months of the purchase, you can sell your card back to EVGA for the full purchase price and put that towards a better card and you pay the difference and shipping.

Most processors have a 3-year warranty.

Most RAM have a lifetime warranty.

Most HDD's have at least a 3-year warranty while some have a 5-year warranty.

Basically what I'm saying is that by having a little adventure and building your own, you will not only save a grip of cash which you can put towards better parts for an even more kickass rig, but you will have met or exceeded Dell's warranty. Customer Support? You will find better support over a forum such as this one. I've dealt with Dell for support and like others have mentioned, it's usually someone from India who spends most of their time trying to translate what you've said in to what they can understand vs. thinking about the actual issue (which they won't get). Search the forums or Google and get a better, clearer answer, and you learn something in the process. Overall it just makes more sense to learn to build and repair your own PC than to buy pre-built because not only do you save a TON of $$ on parts, but you get equal or better warranties without any additional cost.



BUT if you're still hell-bent on buying a Dell for no real reason other than you simply have zero time to build one (and if this is a gaming rig, you clearly have some time), I would suggest getting at least an overclocked 8800GT which will meet or exceeds GTX speeds with lower heat and power consumption at half the price, or get an 8800GTS 512 which is faster than the GTX but uses less power and is $200 cheaper. Today there is no reason other than pure memory capacity (768 vs. 512) to buy a GTX.

The Q6600 is a good choice vs. the other processor. IMO a dual-core is not "more than enough", it is JUST enough. Some games do use both cores, some don't, so you need at least a dual-core (which is your only option obviously). But a quad-core will allow a multi-threaded game to use 2 cores while Windows will have 2 cores to play with for background operations. Even if a game doesn't utilize all 4 cores, you will notice some performance gains just for the fact that your normal operations can be offloaded to the unused cores.

And lastly, if you do want a Dell, I would go with the cheapest possible upgradeable config and just throw in your own RAM, video, and processor. You will still save hundreds!

Good luck m8


Message edited by leo2kp on 12-19-2007 at 04:43:03 PM
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Reply to leo2kp

Well my last pre-built was in 2000 (Compaq). That was a nice computer but didn't come with a AGP slot, so I was pretty screwed for GPU upgrades. Ended up with a Voodoo 2000 16mb! What a decent card at the time. Now I build my own and also have built about 8 others for friends/family. So I know RR where your coming from. Alot of people don't know what there getting when buying a pre-built system. It's easy to buy and is plug and play for them. That is why Dell/HP/Gateway make $.

Reply to lunyone

I'm quite pleased with my E6850, I chose it do to, at the time I needed a new CPU ASAP,since I was going to sick with 32bit possessing on "this" machine I thought, well why go with a quad if I'm not gonna go 64bit. (Not that I'm saying the Q6600 is bad or anything like that)

nhobo wrote :

Advice (from one used to buy DELL): build your own. You'll get a better result, an upgradeble platform, *and* you'll learn how to maintain it yourself.



And yes I totally agree! I quit buying pre-made machines LONG ago :D


Message edited by nxcmp on 12-19-2007 at 05:27:17 PM
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Reply to nxcmp

Yea I have the E6600 and I love it. But if I were building new I'd go with quad for sure.

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