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Yet another new build-P35, 8400, 8800gt512-is this good?

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May 13, 2008 5:37:41 PM


Please help is this a pretty solid build? I would like to use it for gaming etc. Also, I would like to OC it to 4Ghz. I already have optical drives, PSU, Case, Sound Card, etc. Thank You!

Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3250410AS 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
$64.99

MSI NX8800GT 512M OC GeForce 8800GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card

$25.00 Mail-in Rebate
$192.99

G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400PHU2-2GBHZ
$149.99

GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX All Solid Capacitor Intel Motherboard
$109.99




Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80570E8400
$198.99

Subtotal: $716.95

Grand Total:* $716.95

May 13, 2008 5:58:20 PM

I would go for an EVGA or XFX cards and a WD hard drive, but that's just personal preference. It would help to know the computer's use and resolution to make judgements on it.
a b K Overclocking
May 13, 2008 5:58:23 PM

Yep its a solid build mate :)  and those RAMs are CL4 right? (if they are then keep it,but if they arent then go for a RAM which has 4-4-4-x or lower timings)


Also whats your PSU? its an important factor too
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a b K Overclocking
May 13, 2008 6:07:19 PM

I would also go for 2x2GB instead of 2x1GB (or 4x1GB if you never intend to go beyond 4GB).
May 13, 2008 6:14:23 PM

I will use this for Gaming, Web, Ripping dvd's. 1680 x 1050 Res. and yes to the 4-4-4-4-12 Timings. I normally wouldn't spend this much on RAM, However this has the Micron D9 Modules. Not too sure if the D9 is worth the extra$ though. PSU is a Thermaltake 430Watt PurePower (Output +3.3V@20A, +5V@30A, +12V@18A, -5V@0.5A, -12V@0.8A, +5VSB@2A) with a single 12 Volt rail. Thanks again for all the help!
May 13, 2008 6:18:51 PM

Oh yeah, I will use XP Pro, thats why 2GB vs. 4GB. I read in the Memory forums that XP 32-bit doesn't work well with over 2GB, however I have no experience with this.
a b K Overclocking
May 13, 2008 6:26:53 PM

IMO, if you are to buy a new XP Pro license, might as well go for Vista x64 and 4GB. I have a system very similar to what you are trying to build and didn't even bother installing XP even tho the disk was partitioned for it and everything ...
May 13, 2008 6:34:32 PM

$149 for 2gb G.skill wat??? I just bought G.skill 4GB DDR1000 for $89
May 13, 2008 6:34:46 PM

Hey man, the system looks good...
In the mail today came.. and 8400, an 8800gts 512, 4 gigs of ram...
I have one concer for my computer and yours... the power supply. I have a Forton 500W and i am wondering if you have looked into power concerns on yours?
May 13, 2008 6:44:13 PM

I second the concerns about the PSU. Corsair, Enermax, Antec, Silverstone (most), and Seasonic would be the brands that I would buy (and XClio Greatpowers which are cheap, modular, Channel Well-built and Tier 2).
May 13, 2008 6:52:14 PM

I have the XP Pro disc already or I would for sure upgrade to Vista with DX-10. I have a total budget of $750 USD. I am going to buy Crysis and do the Mod where you can get DX-10 results with XP. In response to skizzo, $149 fpr the RAM because of the Micron D9 memory modules, as stated before I am not sure if they are worth it. Does anyone have the link to the power needs Calculator? If not I need to go dig for it. Thank you all! Good stuff!
May 13, 2008 7:42:11 PM

WolfeMan101 said:
In response to skizzo, $149 fpr the RAM because of the Micron D9 memory modules, as stated before I am not sure if they are worth it.

One word: no.
WolfeMan101 said:
Does anyone have the link to the power needs Calculator? If not I need to go dig for it. Thank you all! Good stuff!

99% of power supply calculators are crap. If you're staying with a single GPU 30A (combined) on the 12V rail is enough. If you're going multi-GPU you should get more (someone else would have to pipe in for the actual need).
May 13, 2008 7:59:05 PM

Thanks KyleSTL! I will look into less expensive Ram, but still a good fit to overclock the E8400 to 4Ghz., and also get a better PSU with at leaset 30A on the 12V Rail(s). Any suggestions would be welcomed on the RAM, the XClio's on newegg look pretty good and affordable as far as PSU's go. Guess I have more homework to do.
May 13, 2008 8:06:24 PM

WolfeMan101 said:
Please help is this a pretty solid build? I would like to use it for gaming etc. Also, I would like to OC it to 4Ghz. I already have optical drives, PSU, Case, Sound Card, etc. Thank You!

Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3250410AS 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
$64.99

MSI NX8800GT 512M OC GeForce 8800GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card

$25.00 Mail-in Rebate
$192.99

G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400PHU2-2GBHZ
$149.99

GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX All Solid Capacitor Intel Motherboard
$109.99




Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80570E8400
$198.99

Subtotal: $716.95

Grand Total:* $716.95


Everything looks good, but I would change the memory to this, because it will allow you more head room on your OC (in order to hit 4ghz you will need 9x445 on the FSB which with a 1:1 ratio will give you 890mhz on your memory and not all 6400 memory can hit that) and it is 4gb instead of 2:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Keep the MSI because it has the best stock cooler of all the 8800GT's and the hard drive is just fine. I am actually going to be picking one of those up myself in the near future. Also, what are you doing about cooling the CPU at 4ghz?

On the power supply concerns. Here are some inexpensive ones (imo) that should get the job done.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Best,

3Ball
May 13, 2008 8:19:46 PM

I was only WD only untill recently installing a Seagate ES.2 250GB. $79.99
I don't have bench marks to spout off but mine is Quiet and Fast. Complete install XP Pro including format 28min. from F10 out of BIOS to Welcome screen.
I also installed 2x2gb G-SKILL. The RAM LIST thats going around says it uses Micron D9 chips. I would give you the link but mine dosent work? Right now they are $84.99. $149.99 for 2x1gb think not.
Also I have GA-P35DS3L, Great board.
The GA-P35-DS3L is being replaced by GA- EP35-DS3L. There is said to be some differences. I have not tested one personally so I will not tell you what someone else said. You should look into any changes there might be unless you are sure you are getting the GA-P35-DS3L.
A Corsair 550 watt PSU will be plenty for your system. 41amp.
Over all your system looks good even if you went with what you have.
May 13, 2008 9:16:19 PM

Just two more questions will 2x2Gb be a problem in XP Pro 32 bit, and are the GA-EP35-DSL3L boards not as good as the GA-P35-DS3L? I will switch the Mobo if the EP35 is not up to snuff. Thank you in advance for all of your help!
May 13, 2008 9:36:18 PM

2x2GB DDR800 will be fine with XP 32 bit. Only use 1 module when
installing windows. After windows is installed add the other stick.

Here is a Quote about the EP35-DS3L:

This board's CPU voltage cannot be changed beyond the standard default of the CPU that it detects. I was able to overclock the E8200 to 3.1ghz, couldn't get to 3.2ghz at all. No matter what voltage you input in, the BIOS will not update. Clear CMOS, you can adjust it beyond default value and it will retain. Overnight or after an extended shut off time, of 2 hours, the voltage will reset back to default when you power up the system. Tried Gigabyte overclock software, same thing.

Like I said, I have not personally R&D this board. If this is true it puts a big fly in the pudding.
May 13, 2008 9:56:25 PM

The E in the Gigabyte naming scheme means that it has a special energy saving function that in no way affects performance and it's mechanically identical to the P35-DS3L.
May 13, 2008 10:17:20 PM

CAUTION!- WILL ROBINSON
May 13, 2008 11:09:20 PM


Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3250410AS 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
Item #: N82E16822148262
Return Policy: Limited 30-Day Return Policy
$64.99

MSI NX8800GT 512M OC GeForce 8800GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card
$25.00 Mail-in Rebate

$192.99

OCZ StealthXStream OCZ600SXS 600W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply - Retail
Item #: N82E16817341010
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy

-$20.00 Instant
$25.00 Mail-in Rebate

$99.99
$79.99

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1000 (PC2 8000) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-8000CL5D-4GBPQ - Retail
Item #: N82E16820231145


-$40.00 Instant


$129.99
$89.99


Open Box: GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX All Solid Capacitor Intel Motherboard
Item #: N82E16813128059R
Return Policy: Open Box Item Return Policy

-$5.00 Instant


$74.99
$69.99

Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80570E8400 - Retail
Item #: N82E16819115037

$198.99

Grand Total: $707.16

Thank you all so much! This is how I am leaning now after your input. If I get the open box Mobo I can get the "non E version"
May 14, 2008 11:25:09 AM

Is this the best bang for the buck air cooler? It looks pretty good to me. I will also get 2x40mm fans for the nb, and sb. My case has 2 front 80's blowing in, a top 80 output, an 80 with an input channel for the cpu, and a rear 120mm output.

ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler - Retail
Item #: N82E16835186134

Also I have Arctic Silver 5 Thermal compound.

You guys rock!
a b K Overclocking
May 14, 2008 11:57:44 AM

My 2 cents....dump the 8800GT and get an 8800GTS (G92) 512.
They are faster, and have better cooling, and can be bought depending on brand from ~$169-$225 US.
May 14, 2008 2:06:11 PM

Bang/buck definitely goes to Xigmatek S963 or S1283

XIGMATEK HDT-S963 92mm Rifle CPU Cooler - $15 after $10 MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler - $37 w/ free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

IMO, even the CM Hyper TX2 is better than the Freezer 7 Pro (since they're about equal in price).

Don't waste money on NB and SB fans. Their noise and expense will yield no advantages.
May 14, 2008 2:34:56 PM

Thanks Kyle I will go with the s963. This is going to be my best build ever. I am glad I got the input from this forum, there is so much misinformation and shady marketing of products that it really pays to ask.
May 14, 2008 2:48:56 PM

np, enjoy it.
May 14, 2008 4:23:07 PM

Why would you want to use types of RAM that has been tried and proven not to work properly in the GA-P35-DS3L?

Stay with DDR800 ONLY!
May 14, 2008 5:31:58 PM

knotknut said:
Why would you want to use types of RAM that has been tried and proven not to work properly in the GA-P35-DS3L?

Stay with DDR800 ONLY!


Please explain/show proof. The memory will downclock itself to 800mhz. The reason for the 1000mhz memory is for the headroom required for the OC.

Best,

3Ball
May 14, 2008 9:00:47 PM

It is a well documented fact here on these forums and others that the GA-P35-DS3L has problems with Memory above DDR 800.
If you havent noticed then you must have been out of touch. No offence meant.
I understand your reasoning.

I own a GA-P35-DS3L E6750 2x2gb G-Skill DDR 800. I have run the ram as high as 870mhz without any problems but I dont like stressing my equipment. I run at 3.2ghz 400FSB x 8 Memory at 800mhz 1:1 all OEM voltages. Artic Cooling Frezeer 7 Pro
If I were running the E8400 I would use the same set up.

May 14, 2008 9:50:07 PM

knotknut said:
It is a well documented fact here on these forums and others that the GA-P35-DS3L has problems with Memory above DDR 800.
If you havent noticed then you must have been out of touch. No offence meant.
I understand your reasoning.

I own a GA-P35-DS3L E6750 2x2gb G-Skill DDR 800. I have run the ram as high as 870mhz without any problems but I dont like stressing my equipment. I run at 3.2ghz 400FSB x 8 Memory at 800mhz 1:1 all OEM voltages. Artic Cooling Frezeer 7 Pro
If I were running the E8400 I would use the same set up.


OP may want to take notice of this post.

np, thx for the info!

Best,

3Ball
May 15, 2008 2:57:45 PM

Thanks Knotknut, A set of quality 2x2Gb. DDR2 6400 is the way to go to play it safe it seems. I should be able to hit 9x445 with the right sticks. Any more suggestions welcomed!
May 15, 2008 5:55:38 PM

WolfeMan101 said:
Thanks Knotknut, A set of quality 2x2Gb. DDR2 6400 is the way to go to play it safe it seems. I should be able to hit 9x445 with the right sticks. Any more suggestions welcomed!


This memory is usually pretty decent OC'ing memory, but the heatsinks are very tall so you have to make sure that they dont get in the way of your CPU cooler.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Others that I have seen do well are:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
and
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Someone else may know better. My memory holds me back from OC'ing, so I cant recommend my same memory. Even with just 2 sticks of it in I cannot achieve even 8x425 to get to 3.4ghz. I plan on getting different memory this summer.

Best,

3Ball
May 15, 2008 6:45:17 PM

3Ball said:
My memory holds me back from OC'ing, so I cant recommend my same memory. Even with just 2 sticks of it in I cannot achieve even 8x425 to get to 3.4ghz. I plan on getting different memory this summer.

Sorry for the thread-jack, but have you tried to loosen the timings to say, 5-5-5-18, or so? That could be a decent interim solution to get higher frequencies until you get the new ram this summer.
May 15, 2008 9:11:06 PM

KyleSTL said:
Sorry for the thread-jack, but have you tried to loosen the timings to say, 5-5-5-18, or so? That could be a decent interim solution to get higher frequencies until you get the new ram this summer.


Yea, actually I have tried 6-6-6-20 @ 2.3v with no luck. My roommate has some gskill that I was able to get higher with, which I used just to see if it was my board or proc that wasnt allowing me to go higher. Just alil run of bad luck for me I suppose. Thx for the suggestion though!

Best,

3Ball
May 15, 2008 9:13:39 PM

Wow, that's no good. Hope your next pair does [do] better.
May 16, 2008 3:04:10 AM

KyleSTL said:
Wow, that's no good. Hope your next pair does [do] better.


Yea I dont even plan on hittin the full cap of my new ram im gettin. Im goin with the 1000mhz Mushkin memory and a new zalman cooler to push my proc to 3.4ghz'ish or so. I hoping that it will help me to wait for nehlam if I can pull it off.

Best,

3Ball
May 16, 2008 1:01:45 PM

3Ball said:
Yea I dont even plan on hittin the full cap of my new ram im gettin. Im goin with the 1000mhz Mushkin memory and a new zalman cooler to push my proc to 3.4ghz'ish or so. I hoping that it will help me to wait for nehlam if I can pull it off.

Best,

3Ball

Why Zalman? There are many more affordable solutions out there that are quieter and perform better.
May 16, 2008 7:49:41 PM

KyleSTL said:
Why Zalman? There are many more affordable solutions out there that are quieter and perform better.


After building PC for a friend about a year ago with a Zalman 9500 on an E6600 and OC'ing it to 3.2ghz 24+ hours stable and it never going above 48c on load and average around 26c idle on 1.4125v I have wanted it. The one in my sig that you see idles around 34c and loads around 56c. All of these load temps are from Orthos load, our game temps are slightly lower. I also really like the easy of installation (when you havent already installed the motherboard) and how secure it was with the screwing in of the heatsink, but I am certainly open to any suggestions you have that may do better. I am probably going to switch my stuff from my P180 that is 2.5 years old and get a Antec 900 just so you know the case size.

Best,

3Ball
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