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Overclocking Asus PK5-e + E8400

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May 19, 2008 2:34:09 PM

I am an old overclocker, the kind that likes jumpers and solder, and I am having a hard time getting any boost with my setup that will not hang or crash when I play Age of Conan.

I had gotten a stable 500mhz x 8multiplier cpu with 1066mhz ram to boot just fine, but even at greatly reduced speeds I can't get the game to go well.

I feel the amount of different options are hurting me, as I am likely missing an adjustment.

I will list everything I think could be of importance, if someone has the time I would certainly appreciate the help. Sean.

OS Vista bussiness 32 bit with SP1 ( 64 bit has been shipped to me)

MB ASUS P5K-E/WIFI-AP P35 775 RT
using driver and BIOS that came with the board

MEM 2Gx2|OCZ DII800 OCZ2VU8004GK R

NVIDIA 8800 GTS 320mb OC
It is stock with 575mhz Gpu and 850mhz DDR3
Using the latest driver 7.15.11.7516

WD SATA hard drive of no importance


CPUCOOLER|ARCTIC P4|ACFZ7-PRO R

Core 2 Duo E8400 3.0 Ghz (Wolfdale)
Default FSB 1333Mhz Quad Pumped - 333Mhz BIOS Setting
Multiplier 9x
Power Dissipation 65w
VID Voltage Range 0.85-1.3625V
Thermal Specification 72.4°C
Core Stepping C0
SSPEC Number SLAPL
Manufacturing Process 45nm
May 19, 2008 6:10:01 PM

Update the BIOS! 500 Mhz FSB is a bit unstable still on that board from my testing. Use 444 x 9 = 4056 or something like that. Up the NB voltage to 1.55, disable transaction booster! Disable static read control! Disable all the spread spectrum junk! Disable speed step! Disable all other processor options for now. C1e, Vanderpool, disable bit, etc. Enable load line calibration! Put your RAM in sync mode at 888Mhz for now at 5-5-5-15!

Can you down load and run the newest core temp and list the VID of your processor?

That way I can place a guess at the amount of VCore you'll need to run 1 Ghz over specs.

--Lupi
May 19, 2008 9:11:41 PM

you want me3 to check my current un overclocked core temp and VID? (once I find out what VID is...some voltage I assume)



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May 19, 2008 9:16:29 PM

Just Download the program Core Temp, and run it, and list what it says your VID is. Core Temp will list the Factory one, while CPUz Will list the current VCore value. Not the default one.

VID is the chips factory default VCore setting.

Disable that junk as well.

--Lupi
May 19, 2008 9:19:50 PM

You'll need the 64 bit versions of HWMonitor, Core Temp, CPUz. (May not be 64 bit version, but will work) ATI Tools and Riva Tuner.

Those are all standard issue free tools for overclocking. And then get Prime 95 64 bit version!

--Lupi
May 19, 2008 9:20:00 PM

Vista 64 came in the mail, I am going to go do that now before I go nuts with making changes,
May 19, 2008 9:30:00 PM

Ok, I will start the reformat of Vista while I DL the programs on another PC's removable drive.

Thank you for your help.
May 19, 2008 9:37:25 PM

One more thing, I don't want to install the Asus AI software, I think it does things on it's own sometimes. Any reason to keep it?
May 19, 2008 9:38:14 PM

Cool! I have the same board, though not the same chip, so I know that much about it. And its the board that makes the chip go!

Off to mail some e bay junk and get some food! Be back in like an hour, you will be done by then!

--Lupi!
May 19, 2008 11:12:51 PM

Nope. Its sad.

--Lupi
May 19, 2008 11:13:57 PM

almost done with the Vista install, What programs do you want me to post results from first?
May 19, 2008 11:26:24 PM

You can open CPUz, HW Monitor and Core temp and take a screen shot!

--Lupi
May 19, 2008 11:56:35 PM

OK, I am running a base 3d mark 2005 just to make sure it has no issues.

any chance you can tell me how to take a screen shot and where Vista would put it?

May 20, 2008 12:45:25 AM

I ran the three programs, don't know how to get the results up here, the text only version look like poo.
May 20, 2008 2:06:25 AM

OK, I have the images. I just saw that in CPUZ my multiplier is down to 6. The MB bios must have a underclock default, the multiplier is 9 in the other image.













May 21, 2008 2:09:27 AM

LOL, niiiice! I will answer after a movie with my GF! Been doing alot of my own junk this week!!!

--Lupi
May 21, 2008 6:31:38 AM

I hope it's porn.
May 21, 2008 6:33:54 AM

Hey, whats the video card in there? An 8800 GTS 320?

And what exactly is that ram? Their value line? What's its supposed rating they want you to use? 667?
May 21, 2008 6:34:17 AM

Naw, some Timeline movie. It wasn't to bad. Now where shall we begin?
May 21, 2008 6:40:49 AM

you are right about the vid card, I will btb with a link to the memory
May 21, 2008 6:41:52 AM

I wanna play some Halo 3! I'd change the FSB to 420, use the x 9 multiplier for 3770 in speed, set the VCore to 1.3500 in the bios, Turn on Load Line Calibration, Disable speed step, Set the Ram mode to sync mode, so its 1:1 at 420 for 840 Mhz, Manually enter in the Rams timings and use 1.90 Volts on it, Turn off static read control and Transaction booster, disable all spread spectrum junk...

And most of all, if your Vid card is in the second PCIe slot, Move it to the first Slot or your Video mode link width is only x 4 of the x 16 it should be!!!!

Save bios and re boot! Test with the usual!

--Lupi
May 21, 2008 6:46:27 AM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

just saw the mem needs to be set munually, but I will wait til you tell me what to do. here is tthe comment in case you didn't see it on the mem page.

Manufacturer page reads ""In order to boot on some motherboards this product is programmed to 667MHz; to run at 800MHz you will need to manually set the speed to 800MHz and voltage to 2.0V in your BIOS "

another comment
"This ram is great! Can run much, much faster than they sell it for. 5-5-5-15@800mhz 1.8v 5-5-5-15@1000mhz 2.1v!!! SMOKIN! "
May 21, 2008 6:48:12 AM

I can't move the card to the first pci slot. it is too big.
May 21, 2008 7:01:34 AM

Ohh, that blows. Its like having 1/4th the 8800 GTS in there. :(  You really should see if you can make room!!

--Lupi
May 21, 2008 7:02:58 AM

You have to turn the CPU multiplier to manual, not auto, then it appears in CPU functions, then disable it.

Back in 20!

--Lupi
May 21, 2008 7:05:01 AM

Lupiron said:
I wanna play some Halo 3! I'd change the FSB to 420, use the x 9 multiplier for 3770 in speed, set the VCore to 1.3500 in the bios, Turn on Load Line Calibration, Disable speed step, Set the Ram mode to sync mode, so its 1:1 at 420 for 840 Mhz, Manually enter in the Rams timings and use 1.90 Volts on it, Turn off static read control and Transaction booster, disable all spread spectrum junk...

And most of all, if your Vid card is in the second PCIe slot, Move it to the first Slot or your Video mode link width is only x 4 of the x 16 it should be!!!!

Save bios and re boot! Test with the usual!

--Lupi

Ram to sync mode and speed step don't show up in BIOS as nammed.

Testing now.
May 21, 2008 7:05:39 AM

Thats fine, set it to the SPD rated 800 Mhz. 5-6-6-18 and make it 2.05 volts. Then make sure the multiplier is sync mode at 420 FSB, making it 420 x 2 = 840. Thats it. Turning off transaction booster and static read control stopped a few other things from changing the rams sub timings. So you should be fine.

--Lupi
May 21, 2008 7:08:14 AM

Lupiron said:
Ohh, that blows. Its like having 1/4th the 8800 GTS in there. :(  You really should see if you can make room!!

--Lupi


the card is so long it's like a damn ISA relic , and it is double wide with it's giant fan and heatsink. So it hits the ram in the top spot (all the ram slots) and anywhere it goes the hard disk also can't be there.
May 21, 2008 7:14:47 AM

Lupiron said:
You have to turn the CPU multiplier to manual, not auto, then it appears in CPU functions, then disable it.

Back in 20!

--Lupi


Manual, auto and NOS are the options, I set it manualy but I noticed it was down to a 6 multiplier without a load again. I did not install the AI software.
May 21, 2008 7:17:37 AM

Yeah, that does suck! How goes the rest of it?

--Lupi
May 21, 2008 7:25:33 AM

Hmm, I am using the 1006 Bios, maybe they made a new way to disable it. I just have a spot that says speed step, and you set disable, hehe!

--Lupi
May 21, 2008 7:37:16 AM

new screenshots, notice that in one program it shows 9x and the other it shows 6.









mad onion is running now to test for stabillity and improvement in score.
May 21, 2008 7:46:01 AM

Yeah, I can tell now that CPUz is miss reading it. Look at its current Voltage in CPUz, its where it should be with LLC enabled. If speed step stepped the speed down, the voltage would be cut to under 1.3 for sure, so its just reading it wrong. Looks good!

I always thought that no one would waste time on 6-6-6-18 trash, so I think its just the 5-5-5-15 stuff, they just wanna sell to OEMs and not make it look the same since they sell it cheaper to them!

--Lupi!
May 21, 2008 7:48:54 AM

You may wanna set your north bridge to 1.55 if you experience any trouble, AND this one happens alot:

Next time you re boot at your over clock speeds, press f8 so you get the windows boot menu, and select one. If the screen instantly vanishes, all is well. If it appears to take a noticeable split second, then you may experience weird popping or sluggishness.

To alleviate this you may have to select 333 as the FSB strap to north bridge, then make sure you select a speed close to your current one!

--Lupi
May 21, 2008 8:10:09 AM

OK.

I also finished the 3D mark test, it picked up 500 points on it's score.
It showed the cpu correctly but it showed 667 as the mem mhz...

I also tried out Age of Conan just to make sure it was ok, no issues there.

I will play around more in the morning, I need sleep.

I have to make the ram and multiplier aren't getting dropped down by ASUS somehow.
May 21, 2008 8:32:26 AM

It could be in the way that Bios is doing stuff. If your FSB is 420, then the Memory cant be ran Under it. It would have to be 840.

I am sleeping too, later!

Your graphic part of the mark will blow because you cant use yer cards power. When you OC the CPU you usually gain frame rate as well!

--Lupi

--Lupi
May 21, 2008 2:30:30 PM

can you take a screen shot of a bios?
May 22, 2008 4:57:05 AM

If you still need screen shots, let me know! Sorry, I went to an auction type place and grabbed a pair of evga 8800 GT sc's.

Now, what board to get...

--Lupi
May 22, 2008 6:02:25 AM

I was looking to picture my bios so you could see it.

I may have narrowed down my issue. The game froze today unclocked, I lower my video setting option in the game and have not froze since.
If it makes it through tommorow I will overclock it again and see what happens.

May 22, 2008 6:39:49 AM

Is the PCIe bus locked at 100 Mhz?

Sure, send me Bios shots. E Mail BillboBagginsMailBox@yahoo.com, or spam them in here!!

--Lupi
May 22, 2008 3:50:19 PM

I didn't lock the PCIe bus.

I don't know how to screen shot the bios, as windows isn't active when it's up..
May 22, 2008 8:27:28 PM

A camera! :)  You may wanna lock the PCIe bus to 100 Mhz. How come it never shows you as on line? I could take shots of my Bios, but its yours that we wanna see!

--Lupi
May 23, 2008 1:09:00 AM

I am giving it one more night of running well as is before upping the cpu and ram.
May 23, 2008 3:47:54 AM

Okay!
May 23, 2008 2:11:05 PM

OK, I am going to give the PC a boost, I will set the PCI clocks to 100 and 33. Do you normaly run well with the PCI / PCI-E at higher speeds? I think of raid cards that ran at 133 years ago, I am not sure if the 100 / 33 limits would be impacting things like that.
May 23, 2008 7:41:14 PM

Not sure, but many Mhz over the normal rating of 100 is prolly bad. As a matter of fact, I don't really know of anyone who does it. Supposedly it should in crease the data throughput of a PCI e expansion card.

I am sure you can try up to 5 Mhz extra and prolly have no problems. I dunno how to test if it helps, but hey! Worth a try!

--Lupi
May 24, 2008 1:34:10 PM

I was thinking of the hard disks that worked at ata 133, confused them with the PCI bus, so ignore my ramblings.

the PC and game is perfectly stable at 444 x 9 with the mem set at 840ish.

Any idea what temps I can push? I upped the voltage, I have seen as high as 48c immediatly after pushing it with 3d benchmarks, it could be creeping higher during loads but I have not seen it.
May 24, 2008 6:02:56 PM

Temps, you say? Well then! Down Load Prime 95, and run the Small FFT torture test and then we can talk temps!

You should have, if you dont already. HWMonitor, Prime 95, CPUz, Core Temp, ATI Tools, and Riva Tuner for now.The first 4 are for settings and stability and standard over clockers issue.

The last two are for Video card testing and over clocking.

Get your paws on those and you'll be ready for everything!

--Lupi
May 25, 2008 5:52:34 AM

I have them all but prime 95. I use sisoft sandra for burn in and stability testing.

I am not oc'ing the card at this time (it is already overclocked for a gts 575gpu /850ddr3

perhaps at a later time I will do it, but for now I just make sure the fan is set at 100% with Riva tuner.
May 25, 2008 7:01:26 AM

Well. Only Prime 95 and Orthos test fully. That I know of anyways. I am pretty sure there are more. But unless you have tested with one, you dont know what stability is!

--Lupi
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