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December 14, 2007 8:23:45 PM

Salutations,

First off, I want apologize if this isn't in the right section. I'm currently trying to put together my first computer but I've hit a few snags. I've watched tutorials and read some articles on doing it but something still isn't right. Yesterday I finished installing all the pieces and decided to plug it in and make sure everything functioned. Nothing happened. The fans didn't move, the disc drive didn't work, and I couldn't shut it down. The only thing that seemed to be working was the power button light.

I'm thinking it could be the power supply because I'm sure I didn't install everything wrong, although I very well could have. I really only have a vague idea of what I'm doing and I don't think I can fix it without help. Below is my build and some photo's (which were taken with my camera phone so forgive me if they're a little ****).

1.Rosewill R604-P SL 120mm Fan ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

2.ASUS M2A-VM AM2 AMD 690G Micro ATX AMD Motherboard

3.SAPPHIRE 100210L Radeon HD 2600XT 256MB 128-bit GDDR4 PCI Express x16 CrossFire Supported Video Card

4.FSP Group FSP400-60THN ATX2.0 400W Power Supply 115/230 V UL, CSA, VDE, NEMKO, TUV, CE, CB, FCC with PCI-E connector

5.AMD Athlon 64 X2 4000+ Brisbane 2.1GHz 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM2 65W Dual-Core Processor

6.A-DATA Value Series 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory

7.Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3160815AS 160GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive

8.LITE-ON Black 20X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 20X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 20X DVD±R DVD Burner With 12X DVD-RAM Write

9.Microsoft Windows XP Home With SP2B 1 Pack






All the unused cords from my power supply.

The cords going into the back of my disc drive. I think the solid red one actually goes to my hard drive but I've got no idea.

The back of my hard drive. I've only got the cable from the power supply going into it and I'm not even sure that's the right spot for it. What do I use to connect it to the mobo?

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December 14, 2007 11:00:58 PM

If you did not use the manual for your mobo during the installation, i.e., you used a how to article, I'd suggest tearing it down and rebuilding following the directions in the mobo manual. Also a good idea to have the manual as a download from the mobo mfg site much better pictures. It should tell you the order of the build and all the connections. Parts and plugs only will fit one way and so you have the power cord connected properly to the drive but you have to connect the data cable to the mobo connector. This is what make me think you didn't use the manual, which is the only source you should use for the actual build.
December 15, 2007 4:22:14 AM

You're pretty much right. I used it as a reference three or four times but I didn't really read it throughly. I'll try rebuilding it and let you know tomorrow. Thanks for the advice.
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December 15, 2007 11:37:51 AM

Suggest you follow the manual step by step not just read it. Best to read a section, e.g., installing the CPU/HSF, and then doing it before going to the next component. Again, the online manual is good to have up because the pictures are much easier to see and sometimes there are corrections to what the manual says, usually having to do with connecting wires from the case. While there are some very good how to articles to give you an idea of what is involved, each mobo is different, which is why I think following the mobo manual is the best way to proceed. If you run into any problems or issues be sure to post. If you do, post the website address for your mobo manual, will help in addressing any issues you may have. Good luck
December 15, 2007 12:02:24 PM

I'm sorry but your post cracked me up.

If you don't want to read through the manual & I don't think everyone has to, especially the RAID part, you at least look at the contents section where they show you what goes where. The harddisk/device section is it.

This might help:

http://www.corsair.com/systembuild/report.aspx?report_i...
December 15, 2007 6:49:51 PM

It's not like I opened the packaging, saw the manual, said, "Oh, wont be needing this", and threw it in the garbage. I used it when I was stuck on something in particular. For the rest I had friends and the net, but uh...thanks for the consideration.

I took it apart and put it back together but I still have a few quick questions I couldn't find answers to in the manual;

What is this?


And, does the red cable above in picture three go into the optical drive or the hard drive?
December 15, 2007 9:00:47 PM

well that last picture is just a stupid speaker, really i wouldnt bother installed it cause its annoying, but if you would like, its plugs into the designated spot on ur motherbaord stated in the manual, also both the optical drive and hdd have a seperate "red cord" also called a sata cable that plugs from the unit directly to the motherboard, not directly to eachother, and both the optical drive and the hdd both need power from the power supply
December 15, 2007 9:23:12 PM

I would go ahead and plug that stupid speaker in, it kind of helps if you can hear the beep codes the bios is sending out, especially when your are having problems booting.
December 15, 2007 9:28:41 PM

monste4321 said:
well that last picture is just a stupid speaker, really i wouldnt bother installed it cause its annoying, but if you would like, its plugs into the designated spot on ur motherbaord stated in the manual, also both the optical drive and hdd have a seperate "red cord" also called a sata cable that plugs from the unit directly to the motherboard, not directly to eachother, and both the optical drive and the hdd both need power from the power supply

It is a speaker, but it is not stupid. It is a necessary diagnostic tool in case the machine has trouble POSTing or booting up. It gives you beep codes listed in the manual to tell you what is wrong. Some MB's have these built in, in others you plug a case speaker into it, and yet other MB's have LED displays instead of beeps.

If you ever lose the manual, you can generally Google the motherboard model number followed by the words "beep codes" and get the answer there.

I personally like this particular design. As soon as the machine is up and running properly, you can remove the speaker and store it away for future use to eliminate those annoying beeps.
December 15, 2007 11:16:53 PM

lol well if u do have posting problems u can plug it in, but little things like that really bother me, but im a little weird, if ur having trouble plug it in and unplug it when u dont
December 16, 2007 1:06:42 AM

Turns out Newegg only shipped me one sata cable and I can't connect my hard drive to my mobo, so I'll just have them ship me a replacement and all should be well =)

Thanks for all the help and I'll be sure to ask if I have any more problems.
December 16, 2007 1:26:59 AM

yup lol one sata cable usually doesnt work all that well
December 16, 2007 1:27:19 AM

and good luck with the rest of the build
December 21, 2007 10:12:52 PM

So, I went to Best Buy and bought an extremely overpriced Sata cable but that still doesn't solve my problem. I checked and rechecked the manual, making sure everything is in the right place. I tried testing it out by plugging it in and seeing if the front power light came on but it didn't. It has to be something with the power supply because the entire computer itself isn't functioning. I think it could be this piece. I don't have it connected to anything because I'm not too sure where it goes;



2. What does this go to?



3. And this?


December 21, 2007 10:52:06 PM

p.s. Do you think it's possible the sent me a faulty power supply?
December 21, 2007 11:20:51 PM

The first "white" connector is for a 3 1/2" floppy drive. The Red, Green, Blue is a composite video to S-video adapter. The third looks like an ordinary IDE floppy cable. Unless you have a floppy drive or need of composite/s-video, you can ignore all these.

You can test the PSU by unplugging all the leads, including the large MB ones. You can then use a paper clip if you have one to jump start the PSU. I assume the PSU has a switch on the back. If it does turn it to the O position. Make sure it is unplugged also.

Bend the paper clip into a U shape, and insert one end into the green wire socket of the 24 pin PSU connector. Then bend the paper clip so the other end goes into one of the black wire sockets next to the green one. Make sure the sides of the paper clip are not touching. lay it down and plug the PSU in. Then hit the switch. If the PSU is alive, the fan should spin.

If the PSU passes this test, I would pull the MB out of the case and set it on the bag it came in. You can leave the drives, etc. installed in the case. Plug one stick of ram, and the video card into the MB along with the 24 pin and 4 pin power connectors. See if it fires up that way. If it does then you may have a shorting problem with the case. Check for extra standoffs. You only should have one per MB hole. Any extras will short out the traces on the back of the board.
December 21, 2007 11:36:48 PM

Extra standoffs? Forgive me, I'm completely new to this.
I'm a little skeptical about shoving a paper clip in my PSU but I'll give it a try, thanks.
December 21, 2007 11:46:33 PM

The standoffs are the little hex sided brass looking screws with female threads in the top. Sort of like a screw on one end and a nut on the other. You screw these into the case, your motherboard mounts on top of these, then you put screws into them from the top of the MB. It appears from pictures that your MB has 6 screw holes. Therefore you should only have 6 corresponding standoff in the case.
December 22, 2007 12:06:53 AM

What would they have come with? My motherboard? I honestly don't remember seeing anything resembling them nor was I even aware that you needed something like that. Even so, the power supply fan should spin regardless which its not.
December 22, 2007 12:30:22 AM

Maybe you forgot to put them in. Is your motherboard just screwed directly to your case? Cause if it is its probably your problem.
December 22, 2007 12:35:52 AM

Here is the picture of the little baggie that should have come with your computer case. http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/productimage/11-... The little brass colored things are standoffs. If you installed the MB directly in the bottom of the case without these, it is highly likely you shorted out the MB somewhere, and also likely you blew the fuse inside the power supply.

Here is also a view of your cases' motherboard tray. http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/productimage/11-... The standoffs go into those little screw holes on the tray, and then the MB rests on top. You use the included screws to fasten the MB to the standoffs.

About the only remedy at this point is to RMA. You might try just the PSU first. If the PSU fuse blew first, it might have spared your other components. The only way to know for sure is to get a working power supply first.

I have to logoff for a few hours now, but shall return.
December 22, 2007 1:33:59 AM

It's the PSU. I'm ordering a replacement, thanks for all the help guys.
December 22, 2007 1:35:58 AM

OMG. Give up before you kill yourself. Take it to a shop and let a pro do it. If you cant follow the manual you wont bea ble to follow the forums. Find an old piece of crap pc and tear it apart. Read your manual 5 times, if you still dont get it give up. I dont have the knowledge to do brain surgery so I dont try.

This aint Leggos you know. You cant just shove everything together and expect it to work.
December 22, 2007 5:11:42 PM

I'm sorry roadrunner 197069, I thought that this forum was supposed to help people solve their problems? Don't post if you're going to be a dickhead. I've never put a computer together before so cut me some **** slack. It was a bad part, get over yourself.
December 22, 2007 5:16:03 PM

roadrunner197069 said:
This aint Leggos you know. You cant just shove everything together and expect it to work.


It actually is kinda like Legos.

And generally when you buy parts that are compliant with each other, you should actually expect them to work.

It's his first build, chill. That's why Tom's Hardware is here.
December 22, 2007 5:33:31 PM

MGL said:
I'm sorry roadrunner 197069, I thought that this forum was supposed to help people solve their problems? Don't post if you're going to be a dickhead. I've never put a computer together before so cut me some **** slack. It was a bad part, get over yourself.



I was trying to help. You need professional help in more way then one. I highly doubt it was a bad part, just because you think you might of jumped the psu right. For all I know you didnt turn the switch on. You got lots of issues if you got to post pics and ask what everyone is and where it goes. You didnt even know what a standoff is or if you used them, or remember seeing them. You wouldnt even be here if you knew how to read and follow directions.

Why dont you go back to school and try to get your GED.
December 23, 2007 4:52:00 AM

You weren't trying to help, you were trying to insult me. I can't go "back" to school, because I'm still in school moron. Don't attempt to criticize my intelligence when you can't even use proper grammar. Besides, how would a GED help me finish building my computer anyway? Lol. As I stated before, the PSU is broken, I've gotten advice from countless different people and sources. It's honestly not that complex; you plug it in, hit the switch, and you get power. I'm not here to argue with a simpleton, I'm here to get help building my first computer and you're not helping.



P.S. **** you
December 23, 2007 5:21:18 AM

Your the man MGL. seriously the MAN!!! teach me lol
December 23, 2007 5:24:17 AM

Also just noticed this but is that a revolver in the top right corner of the picture of the s-video adapter?
December 23, 2007 7:01:24 AM

MGL, I had a problem similar sounding to yours when I built my PC a while ago.

I also have that Rosewill case and a micro-ATX motherboard. The cases' motherboard tray has improper markings for micro-ATX motherboards, thus, the standoffs were grounding? the board or whatever. I too thought it was the PSU, but it wasn't. If you haven't, I would highly suggest taking your motherboard out and re-installing it, making sure the standoffs are NOT touching the motherboard in the wrong spots.

Just my $0.02 from a very similar situation.
December 24, 2007 1:42:15 AM

Noya--Would that cause my PSU to completely not work? The fan not spin and everything?


Mugen--You saw nothing <.< >.>
December 24, 2007 4:26:10 AM

LOL THE MAN, yea your sh!t probably doesn't work cause you didn't put the standoffs in, or you shot it.
December 24, 2007 6:34:42 PM

You're not supposed to shoot it? Oh man, that must be why.
December 24, 2007 6:37:27 PM

My dad use a gun to shoot the holes in our swingset bigger so he could put it together. Maybe you could try to do that with your mobo holes. Its worth a "shot."
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December 31, 2009 5:40:19 PM

ok your harddrive you have the power right but you no that solid red cable that went into your cd rom drive you should have another one of those that hook into the mother board around where you cd rom drive hookes into the mobo then it goes into the harddrive from there that is what feeds all the info to your computer. I had the same thing happen to me when i was putting my computer back to gether. After that you still might have a power supply that is not enough cuz of all those upgrades and new stuff.
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