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December 15, 2007 7:04:56 PM

Ok so I built the November Budget guide from Sharkyextreme almost piece by piece, except for the CPU and video card. I scored an AMD5000+ Black for $99 so I decided to use that =D. Also got a eVga 7600 GT for $75 from a classmate. For memory i got the corsair 2gb 6400c4 (4-4-4-12). I ran Nvtune last night and today and it overclocked the CPU to 2.9Ghz (from 2.6Ghz). So now I am getting these random freezes every 5-10 minutes while playing WoW (not very graphic intense... max FPS), so I'm leaning towards a setting issue... (memory timing?) even with default (non Nvtune adjusted) settings I still get the random lockup.

Here is more detailed information....

- AMD5000+Black
- Corsair 2x CM2x1024-6400C4
- ThermalTake CPU cooler (I forget which one but I'm using Arctic Silver compound)
- Seagate Barracuda 320Gb SATA 3.0Gb/s
-eVga 7600GT (Latest ForceWare 163.75 drivers)
-Smilodon case (I love it!)
-Gigabyte GA-M57SLI-S4





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wall of text spitout from NVidia Control Panel
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Processor
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Brand = AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5000+
Family = 15
Model = 11
Stepping = 2
L1 Instr Cache Size = 65536
L1 Data Cache Size = 65536
L2 Cache Size = 524288
L3 Cache Size = 0


Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)

Graphics Driver ForceWare 163.75 (Latest drivers)


========== Processor, Bus, and Memory Speed Information ==========

CPU Speed = 2614.098
CPU Multiplier = 13.000
FSB Frequency = 201
Memory Frequency = 804.000
PCIE Frequency = 2500
tRas = 15
tRcd = 2
tRp = 2
tRc = 12
tWr = 3
tRrd = 1
tRwt = 2
tWtr = 3
tWrrd = 0
tWrwr = 1
tRdrd = 0
tRef = 2


GPU Core Speed = 600
GPU Memory Speed = 780

CPU Voltage = 1.325 v
Core Voltage = 0.000 v
AGP Voltage = 0.000 v
Aux Voltage = 0.000 v
Memory Voltage = 0.000 v


========== Memory SPD Information ==========

Memory Dimm 0 (0x50)
Memory type: DDR2 SDRAM
Error correction: NONE
Voltage interface level: SSTL (1.8V)
Data width: 64 bits
Number of physical banks: 2 (double sided)
Number of logical banks: 4
Number of row addresses: 14 14
Number of col addresses: 10 10
Bank density: 512 512 MB
Primary RAM Width: 8 8 bits
Error checking RAM Width: 0 0 bits
Module density: 1024 MB
Refresh rate: 7812.500 us
Self-refresh: Yes
Burst lengths supported: 4 8
CAS 4.0:
Cycle time (tCYC) = 3.700 ns fMax = 270.270 Mhz
Access time (tAC) = 0.500 ns fMax = 2000.000 MHz
CAS 5.0:
Cycle time (tCYC) = 2.500 ns fMax = 400.000 Mhz
Access time (tAC) = 0.400 ns fMax = 2500.000 MHz
Not reportedNot reportedMin delay, Bk/Bk random cols: 0 clocks
Min row precharge time (tRP): 12.500 ns
Min row active delay (tRRD): 7.500 ns
Min RAS to CAS delay (tRCD): 12.500 ns
Min Actv to precharge (tRAS): 45.000 ns
Addr/Cmd setup time: 0.180 ns
Addr/Cmd hold time: 0.250 ns
Data setup time: 0.050 ns
Data hold time: 0.130 ns
Write recovery time (tWR) 15.000 ns
Int Wr to Rd Cmd Dly (tWTR) 7.500 ns
Int Rd to Pchg Cmd Dly (tRTP) 7.500 ns
Min Act/Auto-Rfrsh Time (tRC) 55.000 ns
Min Auto-Rfrsh/Act Cmd (tRFC) 105.000 ns
Max Dev Cycle time (tCK max) 8.000 ns
Max DQS-DQ Skew (tDQSQ max) 2.000 ns
Rd data hold skew Fctr (tQHS) 3.000 ns
PLL relock time 0.000 ns
Memory analysis probe chars: 00
DIMM type: UDIMM (module width = 133.35mm)
FET switch external enable: No
Analysis probe installed: No
Includes weak driver: Yes
Manufacturer's JEDEC ID code: 00000000 009e7f7f
Module manufacturing location: 1 (manufacture dependant)
Module part number: CM2X1024-6400C4
Module revision code: 8224 (manufacture dependant)
Module manufacturing date: Wk 29 of 2006
Module serial number: 00000000
SPD revision: 1.1
December 15, 2007 7:55:05 PM

hi southeastbeast,

what are your CPU and GPU (GPU in particular) temperatures like after the overclocking.

I see you have the latest graphics installed so I don't think its that. (Unless of course the problems started occurring after the driver update)

The only other thing I can think of is that there may be a issue with the amount of power your graphics card is getting.
Thats the thing about using programs such as Nvtune and aibooster and not the bios to do overclocking - they sometimes change things you don't want them to change.

Are these problems only occurring after the overclocking? Have you tried undoing the overclocking and seeing if this changes anything?

hope this helps
December 15, 2007 7:59:23 PM

One thing I see is that the memory voltage is too low (1.8v) it should be 1.9v at a minimum according to the specs on newegg. I would set it at 2v just to be safe. I would also raise the cpu voltage a bit ( because of vdroop) and maybe the northbridge a bit too. What is PCIE frequency? 2500 what? If we are talking about the same thing it ought to be set at 100mhz.
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December 16, 2007 12:38:29 AM

I tried the voltages and still the same problem... Currently I am not overclocking it because I can't even get default speeds to be stable! lol... When I use NVTune's stress test it passes all of them... maybe I should try another game? Maybe it is just world of warcraft, hmm... I even tried to remove the cd rom and a few fans, thinking maybe it was a PSU issue (not likely since I only have 1 SATA HD + 1 IDE HD lol).
December 16, 2007 12:41:03 AM

nzxtlexa said:
hi southeastbeast,

what are your CPU and GPU (GPU in particular) temperatures like after the overclocking.

I see you have the latest graphics installed so I don't think its that. (Unless of course the problems started occurring after the driver update)

The only other thing I can think of is that there may be a issue with the amount of power your graphics card is getting.
Thats the thing about using programs such as Nvtune and aibooster and not the bios to do overclocking - they sometimes change things you don't want them to change.

Are these problems only occurring after the overclocking? Have you tried undoing the overclocking and seeing if this changes anything?

hope this helps



As noted below I tried removing some fans and cd-rom to no avail... I'm not even overclocking it lol... My mobo has no menu where I can adjust ram timings (5-5-5-18 -> 4-4-4-12.... yeah I skimped out on the board regretting it now hehe). It feels like it is some setting issue because it passes all the NVTune stress tests. Perhaps it is the game I Play? I only play World of Warcraft but having random 20 second long lockups while pwning faces is no bueno.

December 16, 2007 6:32:45 AM

southeastbeast,

I don't think the game is the problem behind this as it is by no means a power hungry game and the minimum graphics requirements are only 32mb GPU memory, meaning your system should easily be able to handle this.

You say it's not overclocked but in your first post you said you oc'd from 2.6ghz to 2.9ghz???



December 16, 2007 6:05:26 PM

sorry I *had* it overclocked and put everything back to normal to try to isolate the problem =D
December 16, 2007 6:14:19 PM

Here are a few SS's of CPUID which are probably more accurate than NVTune (I should have postedt hese first instead of the wall of text, heh)




December 17, 2007 3:23:23 PM

Ok so I pulled 1 stick of ram out and started playing CS:source and DoD:Source and no lockups! (Yes I know neither are graphic intese heh). Maybe I had a bad stick of ram. So I fire up WoW and start doing some PvP and I get the random 20 second lockups!......

Anyone know of any issues of 64 bit dual core procs possibly having an issue with WoW????

Gonna download Crysis demo today to see if I can get it to lockup.
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