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Will a 7950GT 512mb AGP lift my system?

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December 23, 2007 3:33:02 PM

Hey, considering different upgrade options and looking on the cheap one here;

right now I have:
P4 2.66GHZ (from 2002)
768mb DDR1
4200ti 128mb AGP 8

I'm considering to put in the 7950GT AGP 512mb to lift my performance along with upgrading to 2gigs of ram naturally - question; will the CPU be enough or will it pull the whole system down? I'm looking to play SH4, Stalker, and some other games - of course the newer games will have to be played on medium, but still? Is this upgrade enough or will a CPU upgrade be needed to pull this one off well? If I will need to upgrade the CPU I won't even consider this; waste of money :D 

Oh yeah, disregard any PSU issues - I have that covered, will put in an ANTEQ BASIQ 500 or something if required.

December 23, 2007 4:06:47 PM

it'll give your system a life, yes, but your CPU will bottleneck you.
I advise against an nvidia card for AGP platforms. The ati's are better in that respect.
I would just get an AGP 2600 if I were you. If you can't afford that, find an x1650 series.
If you can overclock that CPU, then I would.

I don't know if you'll be able to find a 7950, they're relatively hard to come by, like the x1900 series for AGP platforms.

You're stuck on the bottleneck end though; any card worth buying will do it to you.
December 23, 2007 4:07:21 PM

yes it will... why dont you sell that old system and start saving so you can buy a new pc =]
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December 23, 2007 4:17:40 PM

frozenlead said:
it'll give your system a life, yes, but your CPU will bottleneck you.
I advise against an nvidia card for AGP platforms. The ati's are better in that respect.
I would just get an AGP 2600 if I were you. If you can't afford that, find an x1650 series.
If you can overclock that CPU, then I would.

I don't know if you'll be able to find a 7950, they're relatively hard to come by, like the x1900 series for AGP platforms.

You're stuck on the bottleneck end though; any card worth buying will do it to you.

Right, thanks, at least I have that straight now.

December 23, 2007 4:57:20 PM

I agree with Boner.
December 23, 2007 7:22:19 PM

Want to get at least SOMETHING out of it with less money.. thanks for the critique though, it's always useful.

I saw an ATI 1950XT 256MB - costs the same as the 2800 and since you guys probably are right in that my CPU/motherboard will bottleneck anything bigger than that.. it would probably be the best choice, along with some valueram of some kind and a new PSU.

Critique, anyone?

December 23, 2007 8:09:29 PM

And just so you know... the Antec Basiq does not cover PSU requirements, since it's an entry level unit that doesn't have too much power on the 12V rails. If you had an Antec Earthwatts, NeoHE, or even TruePower Trio you would be fine for any card.
a b U Graphics card
December 23, 2007 8:59:55 PM

The Basiq 500W has dual 18 amp 12v rails but doesn't mention max combined wattage for the two rails. The earthwatts is dual 17 amp 12v rails with a 408w combined. The basiq should run any AGP card, BUT I wouldn't buy one when you can get an earthwatts 500w (made by seasonic) for less money after rebate. ANyway, I agree don't buy the Basiq, grab an earthwatts at least. No idea who makes the basiq.


Also, 7950GT AGP would probably be overpriced compared to the X1950 pro for $130 recently, and the HD2600XT for $112.
December 23, 2007 9:10:04 PM

Antec http://www.antec.com/InternationalWelcome.php
OEM: FSP Group
Basiq BP350 ~12A
Basiq BP500U ~27A
OEM: Channel Well Tech
SmartPower 2.0 SP-350 ~17A
SmartPower 2.0 SP-400 ~21A
SmartPower 2.0 SP-450 ~22A
SmartPower 2.0 SP-500 ~25A
TruePower TP-380 ~24A
TruePower TP-430 ~26A
TruePower TP-480 ~28A
TruePower TP-550 ~30A
TruePower 2.0 TPII-380 ~28A
TruePower 2.0 TPII-430 ~30A
TruePower 2.0 TPII-480 ~33A
TruePower 2.0 TPII-550 ~35A
TruePower 2.0 Truecontrol II-550 ~35a
TruePower 2.0 TP2-550 EPS12V ~36A
NeoPower 380 ~26A
NeoPower 480 ~32A
OEM: Seasonic
EarthWatts EA 380 ~27A
EarthWatts EA 430 ~30A
EarthWatts EA 500 ~34A
NeoHE 380 ~28A
NeoHE 430 ~32A
NeoHE 500 ~38A
NeoHE 550 ~42A
NeoHE 650 ~52A
TruePower Trio TP3-430 ~32A
TruePower Trio TP3-550 ~42A
TruePower Trio TP3-650 ~52A
OEM: Enhance
Truepower Quatro TPQ-850 ~64A
Truepower Quatro TPQ-1000 ~70A
a b U Graphics card
December 23, 2007 9:14:44 PM

hey thanks for that info!

Man, 27 amp combined 12v max on the basiq. That's pretty bad and less than recommended for a X1950 pro (and my His ice Q X1650XT even). Sheesh and the SP 2.0's are worse yet at 22 amp for the 450W.

December 23, 2007 9:22:35 PM

Earthwatts are a good bang-for-the-buck choice.
December 24, 2007 6:02:44 AM

Get an ati radeon x1950 pro or XT...it's worth it.
December 24, 2007 10:55:17 AM

pauldh said:
The Basiq 500W has dual 18 amp 12v rails but doesn't mention max combined wattage for the two rails. The earthwatts is dual 17 amp 12v rails with a 408w combined. The basiq should run any AGP card, BUT I wouldn't buy one when you can get an earthwatts 500w (made by seasonic) for less money after rebate. ANyway, I agree don't buy the Basiq, grab an earthwatts at least. No idea who makes the basiq.


Also, 7950GT AGP would probably be overpriced compared to the X1950 pro for $130 recently, and the HD2600XT for $112.


Well as people say any 512MB card would probably bottleneck due to my CPU/MB.. is the 2600 series really better than the X1950XT (couldnt find a PRO in 256MB).. ? Because the X1950 is SLIGHTLY more expensive than the 2600 series and from what I've heard it's better..?

Thanks for the PSU tip, will have to check local prices.

a b U Graphics card
December 24, 2007 11:14:49 AM

X1950XT is the best AGP card made. But it has lower clocked memory than the PCI-e version, so it's not quite as fast as that. The 7950GT and X1950 pro come next and trade blows. 6 months ago I'd say the 7950GT was a little better, now it's losing bigtime to the X1950 pro in new games like UT3, Crysis, COD4, as well as the older Oblivion, NFS:Carbon, etc. Different architectures and the X1950's win in shader heavy titles. Anyway, the HD2600XT is below those cards, BUT it can beat the 7950GT and match the X1950 pro in some new games as long as FSAA is off. The HD2600's take a huge performance hit with fsaa. But for the price, the HD2600XT is one of the better price/performance AGP cards beating anything in it's price range.
December 24, 2007 11:28:40 AM

Well there IS a X1950PRO from CLUB3d with 256mb which is somewhat more expensive than the 1950XT cards.. but is really worth it? I'm not gonna do a CPU upgrade now for some old P4.. that would be a waste of money, I just want to make this system hold just a bit more before I can get a newer rig, the P4 2.66GHZ will surely bottleneck a lot so wouldn't it just be wise to get a X1950XT 256MB to make the system more balanced? Also, is the CPU just gonna slow the whole thing down bad with any newer card?
a b U Graphics card
December 24, 2007 12:35:42 PM

Quote:
Well there IS a X1950PRO from CLUB3d with 256mb which is somewhat more expensive than the 1950XT cards.. but is really worth it?


??? X1950XT > X1950 pro. If the X1950XT is cheaper, buy it as it's currently the top AGP card made. From what I have seen they run alot more money than the X1950 pro and twice the price of the HD2600XT. Make sure it's AGP and for either x1950 you will want close to 30 amp on the 12v rail out of your power supply. (earthwatts 500W is fine). HD2600XT uses less power.

I'd still be looking for a sub $150 card for that rig like a X1950 pro if possible, or a HD2600XT for $112.
December 24, 2007 12:43:17 PM

I had a p4 3.0 socket 775. It was hitting 100% playing COD4.. I upgraded to a pentium d 920 2.8. It never hits over 70% now. If you can upgrade to a pentium d, go with the 9xx series. If all you can get is an 8xx, just keep what you have. The 8xx series runs hot and sucks power. You can get a 9xx pretty cheap on ebay and tiger direct has one for $60. just make sure you have a socket 775. The PD 920 gave me 20 FPS more on COD4 and BF2142.http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2525999

I have an antec 500W basiq running an ATI 3870 without issue.

I would get an ATI 1xxx or nvidia 7xxx. ATI 2xxx would do. Either way don't over spend. You need to upgrade to a new mobo soon anyways. AGP is dead. Spending a lot of money on an AGP card would not benefit you. I wouldn't spend over a $100. Ebay may have some nice choices.

RAM is cheap. Fill er up.
December 24, 2007 2:08:16 PM

pauldh; whoops, meant GT, didn't find any AGP XT's. GT good?

I see plenty of PD 9 series, 3ghz and 3.4 look good.. would they be better than the P4s available (with HT possibly) and celerons?

December 24, 2007 2:16:00 PM

X1950 GT is a slightly underclocked X1950 PRO. A good deal if you find it cheap enough.
December 24, 2007 2:26:15 PM

Thing is I saw a 512MB 1950PRO and a 256MB 1950GT for about the same price, I don't know whether my MB will support more than 256MB vram though. I have the MSI MS-6701 made especially from medion, made around 2002 - couldnt find any datasheets. My guess would be that 256 would be the max? If thats so theres no reason to get the slightly (we're talking maybe 10-15 dollars) more expensive pro version.. or what? does the pro have anything significantly different from the GT that would make it worth buying even though only half of the VRAM is supported?

oh yeah, for processor - the Pentium D running at 3ghz (some 9XX model) is much cheaper than the 3.4ghz version.. it would'nt be a huge difference for me I guess?
a b U Graphics card
December 24, 2007 2:27:14 PM

cleeve said:
X1950 GT is a slightly underclocked X1950 PRO. A good deal if you find it cheap enough.

agreed
December 24, 2007 3:06:39 PM

See above post, please - I guess I should go for the GT?

a b U Graphics card
December 24, 2007 3:54:46 PM

Oh no, your post wasn't there when I posted. (unsure why) Forget the GT and Take the pro for sure if it's about the same price. Don't be concerned about your motherboard and VRam amounts; That shouldn't effect anything. The pro is better than the GT and what Cleeve was saying and I agreed to is the GT is a lower clocked pro and would have been a good deal if it saved you a decent amount of money over the pro. priced about the same take the faster card.

I have heard some people complain about the cooler on some GT's being a constant fan speed vs the pro's variable speed fan. But that would depend on brand and I'm not at all sure how consistent it's in the case for the GT.
December 24, 2007 4:00:44 PM

I don't see why there would be a limit on how much graphics card memory a motherboard can use... The 512MB should help somewhat. Its probably why a 512MB 19x0 XT/XTX can hold its own against a 256MB 3850 at higher resolutions.

-mcg
December 24, 2007 4:07:13 PM

also keep in mind that the 7950gt had ALOT of problems when they came out. i bought one and it last 30minutes. so i went with the 7900gs agp and it's a good card, but you must stick a slot fan under it as it will run on the toasty side. when i first got my 7900gs i had a close call in it having got too hot, warped the fan and temp skyrocketed on me. shut off tha PC just in time.

XFX is pretty cool too as they sent me a new HSF for FREE! so take it from someone who actually has/had these two cards with prob the worst case senario out there. so if ya get the 7900gs, then i would suggest before you install it remove the HSF and replace goo with arcticsilver5 and def put a slot fan on it to. at idle my 7900gs is at 45c and under gaming 58c. if i OC it then will get to 65c.

in all honesty i would wait and see IF ATI will bring out the hd3850 agp or start a transition to PCIe as you can peice a dirty-cheap rig together right now that would run circles around your current rig. if ya use some of your current parts (psu and HD) i'll bet you could get it done for 400 bucks. heck, i could do it for ya!
December 24, 2007 5:02:24 PM

Angrykirill said:
.............I see plenty of PD 9 series, 3ghz and 3.4 look good.. would they be better than the P4s available (with HT possibly) and celerons?

yes, my P4 3.0 was a HT. This new Pentium D 920 beats ti by 25-30%. Check what you mobo will support. Mine would only support up to 3.2G pentium D. Pentium Ds are socket 775. Check your socket as well. CPUz will give you that info.

I would go with as much video memory as you can afford. The extra vram will help with higher resolution, if you have a 19 to a 24 inch monitor.

A new CPU and a new video card will keep you gaming for a year or so.

doubletake33 is right. It might not cost much more to put the AGP money toward a new mobo and PCIe video card. Look into your options.
December 25, 2007 12:52:54 PM

Thanks to everyone
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