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What's the use of low end GPU like 8400GS?

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December 24, 2007 6:25:11 AM

Hello, I just wonder why the company produces gpu like 7100gs, 7200gs, 8400gs? Just wonder who and what's the use of that gpu's? Anyway, we can't play any games with it, video decoding? I don't it will help much either. Is it better than vga onboard or just the same?

Thanks for anyone who relpy...

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December 24, 2007 6:54:18 AM

Oem's put them in their box systems.
Latest is 8300GS or 8400GS
The Q6600 3GB systems you see come with the "upgrade" card 8500GT.
December 24, 2007 6:57:07 AM

What do you mean you can't play games with them? You know there are still people playing BF1942 and older games don't you? Not everyone plays crysis.
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December 24, 2007 6:58:36 AM

kpo6969 said:
The Q6600 3GB systems you see come with the "upgrade" card 8500GT.

I've seen ebay "Gamer's Dream" PCs with SLI 8500GTs :lol: 
December 24, 2007 7:12:41 AM

randomizer said:
What do you mean you can't play games with them? You know there are still people playing BF1942 and older games don't you? Not everyone plays crysis.


BF1942? I see...

But which one is better between 8400GS with onboard vga?
December 24, 2007 7:20:51 AM

8400GS for sure, onboard sucks to the max. If you pay quake 3 it's ok but...
December 24, 2007 7:32:34 AM

Yeah those cards are pretty much the bare minimal that usually placed in PC's where the OEM has a decent motherboard (example:p 35 chipset) without on-board video. You see them a lot in the higher-end HP and Dell machines, where the motherboard doesn't have an onboard graphics card. They are also useful for the fact that they have a DVI port, which a lot of LCD's use as a standard, not to mention they have TV-out also. It's sort of like the FX5200 or the Geforce 4 MX of yesteryear. Most OEM's will call them "Dedicated Hardware Graphics" or something like that to sucker the purchaser with the allure of being able to play games, only to complain that they can't play whatever new game that came out that they were interested in. I used to be a technician at a local computer shop and I can't tell you how many times customers have told me that they thought that they were getting the best of the best because they paid so much for their computer, only to find out that they are at least 3 generations behind as far as GPU's are concerned.
December 24, 2007 7:34:49 AM

IndigoMoss said:
only to find out that they are at least 3 generations behind as far as GPU's are concerned.

Probably why it's so expensive, really old hardware costs heaps for what it's worth.
December 25, 2007 6:58:43 AM

well i have an 8400gs for playing cs:source online, not bad i can play with all the settings up @ 1280x1024.. but then again its crap when playing current gen games. its twice as fast as my 5700 in 3dmark 03, though.
December 26, 2007 3:55:06 AM

Say if I don't play games at all, barely use the comp for web surfing and microsoft word or excel task, do I need a VGA? or onboard VGA just doing fine?

Thanks
December 26, 2007 5:57:10 AM

I've got a 7300LE. I've got processing power (Q6600 & 2GB DDR2-800) but, relatively speaking, no 3d power at all. =)

I had an 8800GTS but I'm not gonna be playing PC games for awhile so I sold it. Got the 7300LE for 20 bucks.

Now I'm looking at running linux from a thumbdrive so I can go low power and silent whenever I don't need lots of disk. I sometimes convert videos for other people's iPods.
December 26, 2007 6:01:36 AM

Internet and basic use? Like what most people want?
December 26, 2007 7:18:23 AM

I use one in a HP slimline PC, I use it as a HTPC, and have it connected to my tv, running it at 1920 x 1080i, with HD component out, wokrs pretty good for that, never tried playing any games with it, as I have my main PC for that, although I did try 3dmark 06, and got 1507 on it with a AMD x2 3800+ .
December 28, 2007 5:07:07 AM

Have you ever heard of computers in an office?
December 28, 2007 5:40:32 AM

They are made mainly to replace a fried integrated GPU without replacing the mobo. They are also made for people like me who hate integrated graphics, but don't game. The main reason I hate integrated is you lose system ram (up to 256MB) just to run your monitor. Also, I like the fact they do come with a DVI port.
December 28, 2007 5:57:28 AM

They are mainly designed by marketing people to hit various price points, and as stated above, as replacements for integrated. Performance wise, pretty soon you are either going to have integrated MB graphics, or high end gaming cards.
December 28, 2007 7:10:08 AM

tlmck said:
They are mainly designed by marketing people to hit various price points, and as stated above, as replacements for integrated. Performance wise, pretty soon you are either going to have integrated MB graphics, or high end gaming cards.


Yeah..maybe that's right...at least I think so...Thanks pals for giving all your opinion.
December 28, 2007 8:22:16 AM

For watching Vidoes/Decoding video really. The main use for them would be in an HTPC.
December 28, 2007 11:18:41 PM

Yeah, for people with really low budget.

Thanks God i always had purchased the hardcore ones in every generation. !!!

Several price ranges indeed.
December 31, 2007 3:25:22 PM

That's it..internet, msn, random office softwares that dont use gpu power at all..even a simple nvidia riva tnt would suit perfectly well for that stuff in most cases, but obviously nvidia wont make that kind of chips anymore, and it just makes a simplified version of its latest baby in each generation.
Also useful for people with low budget, or just for those that dont need to play games from the last generation!
There are lots of people that still (and only) play games pre-2004 (ut1, quake, CS etc) which those cards suit perfectly well.
In raw power they generaly equal to a top geforce 3 ti or geforce 4 ti (but with ps3.0 :] )
December 31, 2007 4:22:46 PM

Secretely if you put a 120V (plug outlet) across the Voltage regulator it will outperform an 8800ULTRA triple SLI setup.
December 31, 2007 5:11:30 PM

bildo123 said:
Secretely if you put a 120V (plug outlet) across the Voltage regulator it will outperform an 8800ULTRA triple SLI setup.



zomg! the ub3r 1337 h4x i have been waiting for! thank you!
December 31, 2007 5:33:11 PM

Another advantage, they fit in low profile cases, where others don't.
January 3, 2008 7:45:16 AM

6600GT>8400GS, right?
January 3, 2008 9:40:28 AM


I think the OP is too arrogant or ignorant to realize there are games that would perform greatly under the 8500gt or 8400gs.etc. I'm not talking about old games, I'm talking about one of the most played PC titles that are still doing extremely well. Like, World of Warcraft. A 8500gt would run that EXTREMLY well compared to an onboard VGA. My brother has a GeForce 4200ti or something like that, plugging a 8400gs would give him at least +30 fps more.

There are many games that would run well and are very playable under such graphic cards. Games like:

1. Civ4
2. WoW
3. EQ2
4. WC3
5. EVE Online
6. GuildWars
7. City of Heroes
.....etc

These are no old games. These are few of the greatest titles on th emarket. Some of these titles might not run on highest settings with such VGAs but they also run poorly at higher settings with other kick a$$ cards. Your average onboard VGA will NOT give you a "playable" experience running all these games, the 8400gs will give you a tremendous boost.

January 3, 2008 1:03:23 PM

The are probably made to fool the uninformed computer buyer that they are getting a decent gaming rig.
Why else would the naming system be so complicated? XT,GS,GTS, SE, ....and on and on.

Unless you are a hardware geek like the one's that will be reading this post it's fuc*ing hard to keep up....
January 4, 2008 4:42:55 AM

yabyab said:
I think the OP is too arrogant or ignorant to realize there are games that would perform greatly under the 8500gt or 8400gs.etc. I'm not talking about old games, I'm talking about one of the most played PC titles that are still doing extremely well. Like, World of Warcraft. A 8500gt would run that EXTREMLY well compared to an onboard VGA. My brother has a GeForce 4200ti or something like that, plugging a 8400gs would give him at least +30 fps more.

There are many games that would run well and are very playable under such graphic cards. Games like:

1. Civ4
2. WoW
3. EQ2
4. WC3
5. EVE Online
6. GuildWars
7. City of Heroes
.....etc

These are no old games. These are few of the greatest titles on th emarket. Some of these titles might not run on highest settings with such VGAs but they also run poorly at higher settings with other kick a$$ cards. Your average onboard VGA will NOT give you a "playable" experience running all these games, the 8400gs will give you a tremendous boost.



I started this post because of helping my friend build up a new comp with very tight budget and apparently he IS NOT going for gaming at all (pls read my previous post regarding 'merely for office work and web surfing'). I recomended 8400GS to my friend for a better graphic and no 'memory stolen' from onboard vga but he was insisted using only onboard vga (for budget reason) then he asked me what the good use of 8400GS if he's not gaming at all? Frankly I can't answered him, so I asked around from this great forum for some opinion and now, I would like to ask you what's the good of 8400GS/8500GT if not for gaming?

I don't think neither I'm arrogant nor ignorant, am I?
January 5, 2008 9:28:23 AM

Video playback is infinitely better, and you are not stealing memory (that is a good reason).
January 5, 2008 9:58:28 AM

yabyab said:
I think the OP is too arrogant or ignorant to realize there are games that would perform greatly under the 8500gt or 8400gs.etc. I'm not talking about old games, I'm talking about one of the most played PC titles that are still doing extremely well. Like, World of Warcraft. A 8500gt would run that EXTREMLY well compared to an onboard VGA. My brother has a GeForce 4200ti or something like that, plugging a 8400gs would give him at least +30 fps more.


I just gave my old 7600GS to a friend who really only plays WoW. He'd been playing with Nvidia 6100 IGP, but now he's really happy and says he's getting 65 fps and nicer textures. Admittedly, the card's a step above the low end for that generation, but it's still not considered a good gaming card.

What I'm really looking forward to are DX10 CRPGs. All the pretty graphics in a Crysis doesn't change that it's a FPS. I like taking long strolls through virtual worlds, occasionally fighting random monsters. There's not much time to enjoy the scenary in a FPS.


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January 5, 2008 10:42:34 AM

liswara said:
I started this post because of helping my friend build up a new comp with very tight budget and apparently he IS NOT going for gaming at all (pls read my previous post regarding 'merely for office work and web surfing'). I recomended 8400GS to my friend for a better graphic and no 'memory stolen' from onboard vga but he was insisted using only onboard vga (for budget reason) then he asked me what the good use of 8400GS if he's not gaming at all? Frankly I can't answered him, so I asked around from this great forum for some opinion and now, I would like to ask you what's the good of 8400GS/8500GT if not for gaming?

I don't think neither I'm arrogant nor ignorant, am I?


Hmmm, No, 'sensible' is the first word that springs to my mind. Please be aware that some of the 512mb versions of the 8400GS have 256 on board and use 256 of system RAM, the XFX one that I'm using is one and I think the MSI one is the same.
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January 5, 2008 11:31:24 AM

I only have 1 PC that I game on, the rest are strictly office apps, some light duty graphics Photoshop, Indesign, Illustrator, and file servers. These types of cards are perfect for most of my machines. (Contrary to much advice I see here on the forums, high end GPU's don't really help much with these programs)
So I have 11 PC's that would/do make use of these cards, and only 1 PC that needs a more powerful GPU.
January 7, 2008 5:03:43 PM

jrnyfan said:
zomg! the ub3r 1337 h4x i have been waiting for! thank you!


Don't forget to use peanut butter for aftermarket paste. It's the only thing that can transfer the heat quick enough. If your rich you can even use Fluff, works even better.

Also these low-end cards a nice setteling ground for people who want to do light gaming/applications but don't want to spend over $100 for something they will never fully utilize. Integerated is really only good for very basic office use. A good example to show how weak IG is would be this one. I tried opening Age of Mythology, the RTS, and the IG on my friends board would not even load the game due to insufficient graphic support. Thats just sad considiring how new the mobo was and how old that game was. But with $50~$70 you can pack a little punch.
January 7, 2008 5:40:40 PM

If you are not gaming at all, OnBoard is just fine.

Your friend can always add a cheap card later if they decide to takeup like gaming that does not work well.

January 8, 2008 4:47:35 AM

zenmaster said:
If you are not gaming at all, OnBoard is just fine.

Your friend can always add a cheap card later if they decide to takeup like gaming that does not work well.


Thanks.
January 8, 2008 6:19:40 PM

Hehe I can run HL2 on my laptop at 25-30 fps and it has ATI Xpress 200M. (1280x960)
January 8, 2008 10:26:08 PM

Source is a really good engine.
January 8, 2008 10:41:42 PM

liswara said:
Hello, I just wonder why the company produces gpu like 7100gs, 7200gs, 8400gs? Just wonder who and what's the use of that gpu's? Anyway, we can't play any games with it, video decoding? I don't it will help much either. Is it better than vga onboard or just the same?

Thanks for anyone who relpy...


so you can play directx10 games at 1 fps.
May 31, 2009 5:45:47 PM

the 8400gs isnt really a bad card. Its small - good for fitting in smaller cases as well as good for gaming as long as your backed up with a decent processor. I play crysis and Far Cry 2 with mine, and it makes me happy.


Not everyone has a PCIe slot, and the 8400gs is a great replacement for onboard.
June 8, 2009 5:17:16 PM

Perhaaps there are a lot of old foggies like me who have no interest in playing games but now I can watch 12,000 Netflix online movies on my 50" HD TV since installing the 8400. It works great for that for only $25!!!!!
August 31, 2009 1:47:44 AM

um.... i can play crysis on my very low end system with 8400GS

WTF? Please at least try using the 8400GS before judging it

I can play Crysis at 15-30FPs at 1440x900 Low-Meidum Settings (Physics at High)

That's pretty impressive for a 8400GS and to make it worse I only have 1GB of DDR2 RAM, a AMD Athlon x2 3800+ 2GHz, and nForce 430 Mainboard

Other GPU's can play Crysis at 10FPS-20FPS likewise the ATI Radeon 9800
It's not always about the graphics card its sometimes aoubt the game's engine and CryEngine has some of the best optimizations
September 1, 2009 2:37:04 PM

My 8400GS plays TF2 at 1440x900 n medium-high.
I also can hack crysis with it :p 
September 1, 2009 4:04:49 PM

My 8400GS plays TF2 at 1440x900 n medium-high.
I also can hack crysis with it :P said:
My 8400GS plays TF2 at 1440x900 n medium-high.
I also can hack crysis with it :p 


you mean smack your lcd panel with it?
October 3, 2010 10:14:29 PM

Cards like this are POWER EFFICIENT and also can be passively cooled without the need for noisy fans. Something that the GPU manufacturers have forgotten about these days. The day when a graphics card first required an additional power supply was a sad day for the computer industry.
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October 4, 2010 4:46:02 AM

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