too ditch or not ditch this 939 rig

amd x2 4800@ 2.7 skt 939
asus a8n32sli mobo
2 gig corsair dual channel matched ddr400
asus ati 1900xtx midly overclocked
samsung 226bw 22'' lcd
silverstone strider 600w psu
coolermaster stacker 830 case 7 120mm fans

Should i ditch this at spring of next year for intels new offerings or the revised phenom?

or should i just drop in a 8800gts 512 or 3870 and get buy for 6-9 more months?

I really love this rig and remember when it was almost the fastest thing out there. Runs everything great. It doesnt have many hiccups accept my COD4 is running a little slugish.. Im not in the average 100fps anymore in todays games

Anyone wanna build me a mock up system in $1500 range.... I wanna see alot more performance. Im not looking for a small jump like 20% performance in everday applications. Just wondering if it even worth upgrading yet...THIS IS MY BABY

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Well if you don't need to upgrade...why upgrade? Never buy for tomorrow's games. If it's playing everything you throw at it nicely now, then keep it till it can't keep up. The x1900xtx is a very good card and should be enough for now.

Reply to nightscope

Thats a good rig.

You could get better performance from an 8800GTX ... or 2 in SLi since it is a 32 lane board.

I'd tend to get a top end graphics card in preference to anything else.

The 1900xtx was supreme in it's day but you will get significantly higher frame rates at higher res (with filtering on) using a GTX.

This way next year you could trade up to a Q6600 and a striker mobo but would need to buy quality DDR2 RAM ... this would be the same if Phenom gets off the ground (bit slow at present and has a TLB bug in the first iterations).

I have a similar system ... so sad they only maxed out at the FX60 / Opti 185 (2.6Ghz). Since your oc'd to 2.7 on a Toledo chip you already have better than that.

I am unsure whether you would see the best improvement in SLI on an X2 @ 2.7 tho because I believe you might be cpu limited in some games ... an E or Q series cpu @ 3Ghz would be significantly better ... perhaps.

Some (concrete) advice from the Intel fanbois would be appreciated in that regard ... constructive advice please !!

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Reply to reynod

Opteron 165 @2.250
Geforce 7800GT
2 x GB pc 3200 DDR
250 GB Hitachi HDD (IDE)
Rosewill 550watt PS

I am in a similar situation (specs above). My rig is starting to feel the crunch of todays games. Also, I would really like to grab a new case. It gets very dusty due to the lack of dust filters between the case and bezel. My HDD is still running on the IDE cable as well.

Also, my parents 6 year old athlon xp system is starting to become more than obsolete. They could benefit from my current system which would be more than enough for them for years to come.

I would love to build a new rig using the following:

Intel Q6600
Radeon 3870
2x GB DDR2 ram
500ish GB HDD
OCZ gamestream 700W PS
Lian Li case (not sure which one yet)

I'm figuring it will cost me around $1,000. I'm just trying to convince myself I need it

Message edited by meadowlands on 12-28-2007 at 05:39:18 PM

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Keep it! If you feel that you must upgrade go for a new GPU.

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Reply to caamsa

I'd say no need to upgrade. Your system is prolly on par with mine (see sig). It's a dedicated gamer, so there are no extraneous processes running in the background. It played the Crysis demo well enough for me at High settings (24FPS avg). If you've got $1500 burning a hole in your pocket, build a new rig strictly for gaming and keep your current for everything else.

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Reply to Wolfshadw

Go with a new GPU your system is still a good midrange system as is.

Reply to rolli59

^Agreed. The CPU will not bottle neck the 8800s.

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Reply to Shadow703793

I'm in the same boat but with a crappy graphics card.

S939 Opty 175
A8N-SLI Mobo
3 Gigs of RAM
GeForce 7800

I'm staying with my rig for now. The only game it doesn't do well enough is FarCry. So I'm going to play through FarCry at 800*600 low settings, then when I'm done with it I'll just go back to Team Fortress 2, which my rig is really good at.

I may upgrade my video card to a DX10 monster in June, but until then I don't think I'll put money in my computer. I think my next huge upgrade (case, mobo, proc, RAM, etc...) will be at Christmas time a year from now.

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amddiesel wrote :

amd x2 4800@ 2.7 skt 939
asus a8n32sli mobo
2 gig corsair dual channel matched ddr400
asus ati 1900xtx midly overclocked
samsung 226bw 22'' lcd
silverstone strider 600w psu
coolermaster stacker 830 case 7 120mm fans

Should i ditch this at spring of next year for intels new offerings or the revised phenom?

or should i just drop in a 8800gts 512 or 3870 and get buy for 6-9 more months?

I've got two computers very similar to your machine, one with a 4400+ and one with a FX60. The 4400+ will overclock to 2860mhz, so I think you might get a higher overclock if you want. But in normal use and games, I never saw much difference so I run at 2530 for the most part.

I used to have a X1900 XTX and I upgraded to a 8800 GTS 640 for a larger gain in fps and better graphics. One of the new 8800 cards, either the GT 512 or GTS 512 would help your performance a lot. Alternatively you could use an ATI 3870 for a good boost, though you can't go to multiple cards using the ATI card.

In other words, I'd keep your present machine until it burns out, breaks, or the fps drops way down in future games.

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Reply to Sailer

Thanks to the OP for starting this thread and thank you to everyone who contributed. I think I am going to grab the radeon 3870 and a new case and worry about the rest down the road. Although my case is decent, it is old and it does get dusty even with my ghetto dust filters on it. I may also grab an after market cooler just to have it ready when I do rebuild. Thanks!

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Reply to meadowlands

This topic probably hits home to alot of amd guys with 1.5 to 2year old rigs who thought they had the cream of the crop

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Reply to amddiesel

My AMD 4400+X2 Rig was starting to struggle in games with a 7800GT card, but when I upgraded recently to an ATI 2900pro, my computer was given a huge boast in gaming performance.

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yes, striking deep over here, only problem is i am miserly and want to get my money's worth compared to my current setup and i am not sure if it would be worth it, like most gamers my gfx is my weak spot.

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and i now have a 2900 pro and x2 4200 as well!

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amddiesel wrote :

This topic probably hits home to alot of amd guys with 1.5 to 2year old rigs who thought they had the cream of the crop

You got that right. A couple years ago, an AMD 4400+ or better attached to an A8N SLI or A8N32 SLI Deluxe was about as good as you could get. I had two computers like that. One, a 4400+ on a A8N32 SLI Deluxe with a couple 7800s and a second, with a FX60 on a A8N32 SLI Deluxe and a 8800 GTS 640 (which I gave to my son). I've been waiting for a while to build another AMD rig, but all AMD has offered is not good enough to justify a build.

Now I'm making do with the old 4400+, waiting for Intel to get out the X48 and a good cpu to stick into it. The only AMD option that makes sense to me at the moment is to get a AM2 5000+ BE and put it into a 790FX board, then hope that a Phenom B3 chip will come out and perform at least halfway decent. And a good performing Phenom B3 is a gamble.

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Reply to Sailer

I have a AMD 4000+ single core and a 8800 GTS 320 with 2 gigs of Corsair memory. Tonight I am installing a Opteron 185 cpu (dual core) in place of the AMD 4000+.
Even with the 4000 I have no problems with COD4 and it played the Crysis demo just fine at more then average settings. I was able to pick up the Opteron 185 for $160.00 and it will give me dual core plus a higher clock speed and I will overclock it. I just got a Zalman 9700 cooler (wow is this thing big!).

Bottom line is putting a good video card in will keep your rig in good shape for quite a bit longer. The 939 platform is still capable as long as you have one of the faster 939 CPUs and a 8800 class video card.

The Opteron 185 is the same as a FX-60 CPU.

Reply to anthemmobil1

Where can I get one please?

An opti 185 ...

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Reply to reynod

This board doesnt support 32 lanes... its the A8N SLI32 Deluxe i would know because ive owned both of them...

reynod wrote :

Thats a good rig.

You could get better performance from an 8800GTX ... or 2 in SLi since it is a 32 lane board.

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Reply to flip_x

The old 939s were the best. Sadly their time is long gone.

I suggest you to keep it until Intel releases their 45nm Quads. If you don't care for quads, get a E2200 or something.

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Reply to Evilonigiri

ditch go strait to go i mean ddr3

Reply to dragonsprayer

Another:

Opteron 165 @ 2.6ghz
1.5gb DDR-400
7600gt
3 x HDDs (2 sata)
Corsair 450vx

I'm itching to go for an e2160/e2180 @ 3.0ghz+ with a Gigabyte 8800GT 512mb...if I can just find the right fool on Craigslist...

Reply to Noya

Another:

4800 X2 @ stock/2.9ghz depending on what I'm doing.
2gb ddr400 OCZ platinum
Asus A8R-MVP
ATI X300 - think my graphics card is crappier than yours TC.

Apart from a 3870 I'm going to buy soon the rest can stay until at least next autumn. Like others have said if it doesn't feel slow then there is no point in upgrading. For gaming graphics cards make the most difference. If you are doing lots of video editing and the like on a time limit then it will start to show.

To the person posting with an FX-60 and can't get it past 2.6ghz you are doing something wrong. Especially considering that if I remember correctly the stock speed is 2.6ghz.

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flip_x your correct ... just checked my manual

2 X 16 PCI-E lanes

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Reply to reynod

Same as many of you above, I am an old 939 hold out. My rig still runs great I should be able to get another 1-2 years of great gaming out of it. The only game I cannot totally max out is Crysis.

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Reply to brett_monkey

My FX60 with 8800GTS 640 runs COD4 just fine. Your 4800 x2 is just fine and probably has some additional MHZ to wring out yet as people have mentioned. The GPU is where to spend the money if you are so inclined...but if you turn down the resolution and eye candy a little even your 1900xtx should be just fine for a while yet ...especially for online gaming.

Reply to Craxbax

Well speaking from experience. My box is also outdated, with no help from FedEx. My specs are

Opty 165 @ 3.0Ghz on water
Asus A8N32-Deluxe
2 GB Corsair XMS
currently a 7800GTX
750 watt PC Power and Cooling

My bro just built up a new box with an 8800GT 256MB

His box specs:

E2140 @ 2.66Ghz Freezer 7
Asus P5K-E
2 GB DDR800 Patriot
XFX 8800GT 256MB

We put his video card on my computer before he got all his components and ran 3dmark06. It scored a 9100 on mine. Then when we installed it on his box, he scored a blistering 10700. The computer is super quick, and runs cooler than my water cooled Opty.

But with the new video card everything turned up on COD 4 1280x1024 getting 100+ FPS.

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Reply to funnyman06

It seems everyone is waiting for next year to build. I'm in the same boat as well in a way. I'm running a Asus P5ND2-SLI with a P4 630. My mobo doesn't support Core2Duo's, so I'm waiting to see what happens with Phenom before I build a new system.

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X2 3800+
new 3850 [from 7600gt]
2gb ram

Reply to geotech

Actually if you get an 8800GTX your CPU might not be able to keep up with it and deliver it's full potential, but you will surely get a great performance increase out of it. I personally used 2GBs of DDR400, Athlon 64 X2 4400+ @ 2.6GHz and a HD2900 Pro as well as an 8800GTX and the CPU bottlenecked both cards quite a bit. I feel the ram ia more of an issue though.

I would personally hold onto the rig. It will play any game out there no problem. And if you have troubles throw in more RAM and get a new video card, the HD3850's are a GREAT option right now. And you can get DDR400 in a 1GB (512x2) combo for less than $40 if I recall. For about $200 more in that system and you'll be set for at least another year or two. The rig still has potential; why not use it?

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justinmcg67 wrote :

Actually if you get an 8800GTX your CPU might not be able to keep up with it and deliver it's full potential, but you will surely get a great performance increase out of it. I personally used 2GBs of DDR400, Athlon 64 X2 4400+ @ 2.6GHz and a HD2900 Pro as well as an 8800GTX and the CPU bottlenecked both cards quite a bit. I feel the ram ia more of an issue though.

I would personally hold onto the rig. It will play any game out there no problem. And if you have troubles throw in more RAM and get a new video card, the HD3850's are a GREAT option right now. And you can get DDR400 in a 1GB (512x2) combo for less than $40 if I recall. For about $200 more in that system and you'll be set for at least another year or two. The rig still has potential; why not use it?

You saying that 2gigs of ram with a 3870 isnt enough?

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You saying that 2gigs of ram with a 3870 isnt enough?

At present, 2 gig of ram is plenty for the majority of use people get from their computers. The use of more ram is to keep from using the hard disc as virtual ram, which slows the whole computer down, and one way to check on this is to use Task Manager to track how much is being used. Load times are related to the hard disc speed and not too much on the ram, but higher ram speed can affect how smoothly the game, etc runs, though not to a great extent. Far more important is the video card when it comes to games.

Some people, myself included, run a lot of programs or very large programs. Therefore using 3 gig of ram on a 32 bit XP machine is worthwhile. With XP64 Pro and Vista 64, 4 gig of ram becomes worthwhile. I expect that as time progresses and we get more games for Vista, 4 gig will become the standard. But for now, I think 2 gig of ram is sufficient for your use.

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:oops: . o O (I deleted my reply)

:lol: . o O (owell.. it was the wine I tell ya!!)

Edit:

To say what I was saying before, to add more RAM doesn't exactly make the system run faster, but smoother. So if your running a game that requires a certain amount of physical ram, and you don't have enough, then you get HD swapping files to keep up.

Just not sure how many people window their game to bring up task manager to see how much memory is left over. As far as DDR and DDR2, there will be a difference in speed in loading time and smoothness.

But then there is no reason not to have as much memory as the system can support... or as the old saying goes, you can never have too much RAM. :lol:

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Grimmy wrote :

:oops: . o O (I deleted my reply)

:lol: . o O (owell.. it was the wine I tell ya!!)

So that's what happened! :non: I made a reply addressing you and AMDDiesel and then you disappeared, so I edited my answer. I thought maybe I had had too much wine! :ouch: :whistle:

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:sweat: . o O ( I just edited my last post :lol: )

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This keeps up and people will start calling us editors instead of ancient posters. :kaola:

Wonder what Turpit will think of that? :pfff:

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I'd rather be called an editor, then an.... ancient poster. :cry:

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