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actionhank   12-19-2007 at 10:00:43 PM

Hey Guys I'm new to this forum! This is a truly awesome place!! I found a bulk of very useful information about new parts and and well everything that has something to do with computing in general. Most of you guys, if not all of ya, are really great!! And I really mean it :D


Ok lets get into the real business lads! So i'm planning to build my own rig, probably after christmas or early january. I live in Europe, more precisely in Ireland, and i'm not really satisfied with the availability and prices of pc components where i live :( . I'll probably gonna get my stuff from one of the german sites since it's much cheaper then most of the irish/uk ones. In my opinion www.hardwareversand.de has the best prices in Europe! I strongly recommend that site! Your not gonna find a better bargain anywhere, except USA but with duty, tax and shipping rates to Europe getting stuff from USA is quite pointless.

My New Build (Budget of around € 1,000):

CPU: Intel Dualcore E2160 € 55

CPU HEATSINK: Thermalright Ultra-120 eXtreme € 43

MOTHERBOARD: Gigabyte GA-P35C-DS3R € 90

RAM: 2048MB-KIT OCZ SLI-Ready Edition 1066MHz ,CL5 € 86

GPU: EVGA e-Geforce 8800GT, 512MB € 245

HDD: Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 500GB SATA II 32mb cache € 98

DRIVE: Samsung DVD-RW SATA € 30

CASE: CoolerMaster CM 690 € 64

PSU: Corsair HX620W € 106

MONITOR: Samsung SyncMaster 206BW 20" € 215

OS: Win Xp

Total: € 1,032


Now i have couple of question to ask you guys!

1) Should i go for 2gb's PC8500 ( 1066 Mhz) memory and upgrade it when i get Vista, not anytime soon, to 4 gbs of 1066, or should i rather go for 4 gbs of PC6400 ( 800 MHz) now since its cheaper. I wanna mention that i'm planning to overclock!

2) Should i go with Gigabyte GA-P35C-DS3R if i'm planning to serious overclock my e2160 and future quad? Are there any better options around? I'm getting really confused with those Gigabyte p35s ! there's so many of them! :D


Well i think thats basically it, If you have any opinions or suggestions please feel free and write a response! :) I would really appreciate your feedback!

Thanks a lot guys! Good Luck with Your Current and Future Systems!




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rgeist554   12-19-2007 at 10:07:34 PM
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1. You can go with 4GB of DDR2 800. I seriously doubt you'll notice a difference between the two since even DDR2 800 can go 1:1 with a 1600Mhz bus. Even DDR2 667 can match a 1333Mhz bus.

2. The Gigabyte P35-DS3 series are great over clockers, even for people new to over clocking. The only difference between them is the amount of features. Some have firewire, 2 PCI-E slots, etc.

Other than that, everything looks great.

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einstein4pres   12-20-2007 at 12:27:01 AM
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DDR2-800 should be sufficient, given the high multiplier on the E2160.

Gigabyte P35s are well recommended for overclocking.

Corsair HX620 is overkill. Drop down to a HX520 (which is also overkill).

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3Ball   12-20-2007 at 12:55:42 AM
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einstein4pres wrote :

Corsair HX620 is overkill. Drop down to a HX520 (which is also overkill).



I would only drop down the power supply if 1.) It wasnt in his budget or 2.) By dropping down he was able to get a better CPU or GPU and still have a sufficient enough power supply, but if those 2 factors do not play it I would keep the better power supply not only for OC'ing purposes, but also in case something comes up in the future and he adds more components such as a new vid with more demanding power requirements or something. Just a thought, its what I would do.

Best,

3Ball

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Intel C2Q Q9550 @ 3.40ghz w/ (8.5x400mhz, 1.2125v, Zalman 9500 & 24+ Hours Prime95 Stable)
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actionhank   12-20-2007 at 01:58:29 AM
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Thanks Guys for all of your responses to my thread!

I want to keep my system future proof so i think i'm gonna stay with the 620w psu, as 3ball mentioned your never know what might gonna come out in the future, there might be some sort of a monstrous card coming out like the new geforce 9 series, which might in fact require a higher amount of power. Besides i want to keep that psu as long as i can, i hope its gonna survive at least 2 of my future upgrades, do you think thats possible? How long could Corsair PSU last for? 2/3 years?
Rgeist554 and Einstein4pres you said that i should go for a ddr2-800 since it is sufficient for now and u wouldn't make a difference while overclocking e2160. How about new penryn quad core? would i still be able to achieve 1:1 ratio with that processor ? i heard that they seem to have a lower multipliers though so would that cause some problems?

Once again thanks for your help!!

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nhobo   12-20-2007 at 02:01:03 AM
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Very nice! Try DS3L and 800MHz DDR2. You could use less power, 520 would be good.

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actionhank   12-20-2007 at 02:11:22 AM
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Shadow703793 Thanks for your suggestion! But unfortunately i'm not gonna go for a e2180 since it's € 15 more and i'm gonna be upgrading my cpu in 2-3 months when penryn quadcore finally gonna get released and archive reasonably stable/affordable price after few weeks on the market.
So i'll just go with the e2160 since it's a bargain at € 55 euros, i can overclock the hell out of it as well and still hopefully resell it or just leave it as a back up cpu in 2-3 months time!

But Thanks anyway! Good Luck!

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actionhank   12-20-2007 at 02:20:21 AM
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Nhobo I was looking at the DS3L mobo, it nice indeed, but DS3R is only 15 quid more and the one that i'm actually looking at p35c-ds3r has 2 spare ddr3 slots that i could use in the future, when the ddr3 become more affordable. Besides ds3l has a smaller norhbridge heatsink which might provide insufficient cooling when reaching higher overclocks, i'm not sure on that tho!

Thanks for your feedback as well! I owe You one ;) !

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nhobo   12-20-2007 at 02:46:57 AM
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I'm running a DS3L with an E6750 O/C'd to 3.2 with the stock cooler and no extra voltage. In fact I reduced CPU voltage slightly and lowered temps slightly. If you want monster O/C, get a fan or cooler for the Northbridge, but I doubt you will need it.

DDR3 is like SATAII - all hype. You will never notice any performance difference, except maybe when you check your bank account.

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einstein4pres   12-20-2007 at 03:54:01 PM
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Rgeist554 and Einstein4pres you said that i should go for a ddr2-800 since it is sufficient for now and u wouldn't make a difference while overclocking e2160. How about new penryn quad core? would i still be able to achieve 1:1 ratio with that processor ? i heard that they seem to have a lower multipliers though so would that cause some problems?



DDR2-800 will support a FSB speed of 1600 at 1:1 ratio. I'm pretty sure that most P35 boards top out at around 450 clock (1800 FSB), which means that at worst, you're cutting yourself out of 11.25% of your potential overclock. But you can most likely overclock the RAM, so it's not a big problem. Just make sure to run Memtest86+ if you do.

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I would only drop down the power supply if 1.) It wasnt in his budget or 2.) By dropping down he was able to get a better CPU or GPU and still have a sufficient enough power supply, but if those 2 factors do not play it I would keep the better power supply not only for OC'ing purposes, but also in case something comes up in the future and he adds more components such as a new vid with more demanding power requirements or something. Just a thought, its what I would do.



520W is quite a bit of overkill, and will support pretty much any non-ridiculous system. It will also perform more efficiently at the idle power draw, saving money on electricity, but perhaps not enough to matter. Have you read up on power draw? The 3-way 8800GTX SLI system put together at Anandtech drew at most around 800W from the wall, or around 640W internally. With two, at most 520 (420 internal). The Corsair unit is reporting continuous power, as opposed to peak power, and should be well balanced, so I fully expect that the 520W PSU should be overkill, and should suffice with two gpus or a Penryn quad-core or both.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/sho [...] i=3183&p=5

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darthmaulsmate   12-23-2007 at 03:41:42 AM
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by the way i'm from wales get most of my stuf from e-bay great prices and so far great service

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