E4500 OC @ ?? vs Athlon X2 6000

[crembo]

Alright , I'm willing to buy new CPU+MBU+RAM because my system has one-core 939s CPU (Athlon 64 3700+).
So , I want to buy new , Dual core CPU and to use 100% of my 1950Pro.
So... I either thought about these things:
1.Take a Athlon X2 6000 , Asus M2N-E , and OCZ XMS2 - 6400 memory (2 Gigs , it's VERY cheap).
2.Take a E4500 , a mobo that will OC well , and the same memory as with the AMD system. But , here I will OC the E4500 so something stable , around 3.2GHz (friend told me it's very cool and stable at that GHz) and then it should be as powerful (or even more powerful) CPU.

What do you think I should do? The E4500 is a bit cheaper option , because the CPU costs less.
And to what GHz I could OC the E4500 with stock cooler? (so it would be stable and so.)

Thanks in advance , Crembo.

 

[vegie]

i got my 2180 to 3.2ghz on stock cooler, this is a cut down version of the 4500 go for it

 

[crembo]

OK... By the way , I looked at Asus P5K SE as a mobo , it looks like a nice mobo for OC , it has good options for OC. Is it any good? (It's P35 chipset)

 

[lunyone]

Alright , I'm willing to buy new CPU+MBU+RAM because my system has one-core 939s CPU (Athlon 64 3700+).
So , I want to buy new , Dual core CPU and to use 100% of my 1950Pro.
So... I either thought about these things:
1.Take a Athlon X2 6000 , Asus M2N-E , and OCZ XMS2 - 6400 memory (2 Gigs , it's VERY cheap).
2.Take a E4500 , a mobo that will OC well , and the same memory as with the AMD system. But , here I will OC the E4500 so something stable , around 3.2GHz (friend told me it's very cool and stable at that GHz) and then it should be as powerful (or even more powerful) CPU.

What do you think I should do? The E4500 is a bit cheaper option , because the CPU costs less.
And to what GHz I could OC the E4500 with stock cooler? (so it would be stable and so.)

Thanks in advance , Crembo.

Cheapest option is to just drop in one the s939 x2's into your setup (newegg has a few left). Then in about a year or so you can upgrade to the latest/greatest. If your dead set on getting a newer system, than I'd have to go with the e2160 and OC to 2.8-3 gHz on stock HSF. Make sure the rest of your build can handle any OC's that your planing. I'm assuming you have a decent PSU? What PSU are you currently running with and how old is it?

 

[crembo]

I dont live in the USA , so I can't buy anything from newegg. Also , there's not shops selling any 939s dual core in my country. So it's hopeless in this place.
My PSU is quite new , because I burnt my old one (was generic..) , and I got now CoolerMaster eXtreme Power 430W. It's 14A @ 12V1 and 15A @ 12V2.

Anywhy , I really don't want to buy basicly low-end CPU and to OC it , I rather take a mid-end CPU and then OC it.

PS: If I take a E4500 , and OC it to 3.2GHz , will it be better than a X2 6000?

 

[dragonsprayer]

4400 is a pretty crappy chip

6420 will eat any amd for lunch

it's a close call

 

[Grimmy]

4400 is a pretty crappy chip

Please, enlighten me.. why is the 4400 a pretty crappy chip?

 

[vegie]

amds have issues at overclocking

 

[decripple]

what "issues" I am running a 40% OC on stock voltage with my Opty 165

 

[crembo]

Guys .... I just need help choosing parts for my PC , I don't care if someone (or something) has issues or not , I just want to upgrade my PC.

 

[onestar]

Go with a gigabyte P35 board and go ahead with the E4500 CPU. Gigabyte boards seem to be the defacto standard that even inexperienced overclockers have great results with. In overclocking, I have seen the ASUS P35 and even the ABIT P35 do as well, but with more demands from the builder. The 4500 is considerably better than the 2160 because of the extra megabyte of cache and it overclocks nearly as well.

Do not worry overmuch about acquiring an "extreme" overclock, but try for a moderate OC with good temperature and power usage.

 

[crembo]

Alright , thanks a lot.
Oh , what P35 board should I take? There's lots of options you know...
GA - P35 - DS3 would be fine?

 

[iluv2fly]

The E4500 is an excellent cpu. It is very easy to overclock. You should most likely see 3.2 - 3.6 ghz on your clock.

I like the E6000 series to but the best deal is the E4000 series. When and if you get them to the same clock speed the e6000 dual core is at best approximately 10% better clock for clock. Not a big deal but the money might be if you are on a budget. Just upgrade your cooling regardless of cpu choice.

Regarding the motherboard I haven't tried the Gigabyte version yet. But I did try the MSI P35 Neo2-FR and it is very good for the price. ruffly $90 after mail in rebate.

 

[crembo]

Hehe... Prices in my country for PC parts are like double than prices in the USA.
that Neo2-FR costs around 130$ in my country.And there isn't any "mail in rebate".

 

[Mandrake_]

Alright , thanks a lot.
Oh , what P35 board should I take? There's lots of options you know...
GA - P35 - DS3 would be fine?

That's a great board, I have it. Overclocked my E6300 from 1.86GHz -> 3GHz easily with a drop on the voltage from 1.325V to 1.25V.

 

[crembo]

Drop on voltage?
How could you OC more if the voltage is lower?

 

[Shadow703793]

^Same here. I have always thought you need to increase voltage to reach stable OC (never had to lower voltage to reach stable, always had to increase). Mandrake mind explaining this to us?

 

[jerseygamer]

Or.... just build an AM2+ system based on the 5000 black or the 6400. You get max performance per $ out of the box and far more upgradability then anything around.

 

[crembo]

6400 costs way more than E4500. Also it costs more than 6000 by a quite big diffrent.
And some why , there's non shops selling ANY black edition CPUs in my country... (Yeah , that's quite lame ... but you know :/)

 

[TSIMonster]

If it were me... I would just upgrade what you have right now and build new in the coming year. A 939 Dual Core would work perfectly with your x1950Pro.

However, if you must buy new due to availability, I would go with a P35 board with the E4X00. They overclock well and are priced right.

 

[zenmaster]

Drop on voltage?
How could you OC more if the voltage is lower?

He did not say he could OC more on lower voltage.
He said that he could OC at a high level and reduce the voltage at the same time.

He could increase voltage and reach even higher levels.

Much like Mandrake, I have a very large OC and an undervoltage at the same time.

This allows for both cool and quiet operation while greatly increasing performance.

Often that last 10% of performance is not that important or even noticable.

 

[crembo]

@TSIMonster - again , there is not shops selling any dual core in my country :/
@zenmaster - thanks for clearing this up

Thanks for everybody , I'll have the things you said in mind.

 

[Mandrake_]

He did not say he could OC more on lower voltage.
He said that he could OC at a high level and reduce the voltage at the same time.

He could increase voltage and reach even higher levels.

Much like Mandrake, I have a very large OC and an undervoltage at the same time.

This allows for both cool and quiet operation while greatly increasing performance.

Often that last 10% of performance is not that important or even noticable.

You got it right. Going from 3Ghz to 3.2 or 3.3GHz with a large voltage increase puts out way more heat. The extra 10% performance isn't worth it for all that extra noise and heat.

 

[TSIMonster]

@TSIMonster - again , there is not shops selling any dual core in my country :/

I know, read the second half of my post.