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Byers ex machina wrote:
>
> On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:37:46 +0100, Phorse 5
> <daphorse-x3@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> >> According to lore, the basis of a vampire is the reanimated corpse of
> >> a human. So, a vampire, being a dead thing, can't sustain or generate
> >> blood of it's own (nor any other bodily fluid).
> >
> >Ergo it cannot reproduce, you say? How about as a virus type scenario?
> >If the vamp is re animated by the virus, and infects others, it's a sort
> >of reproduction. It's just much more cellular (the viral reproduction).
> >Maybe the virus can create fluids which are transferred during
> >copulation. However this is still only infection, not really
> >reproduction in any mammalian sense.
>
> Those infected would still have started out human, as opposed to being
> born a vampire.
> The only possible meaning of the term "true blood" vampire, would be a
> vampire born the human way, and not the way you speak of.
True. Blade must have got its inspiration from somewhere. I doubt they
came up with the idea of the 'true blood' vampire. There is the
possibility of course that a true blood is actually a warm, mortal
human, who just happened to get an unfortunate collection of genetic
defects and allergies, requiring them to avoid the sun and consume
copious amounts of raw blood.
Given humans originally ate raw food (way back before we found matches),
the possibility of this trait collection surviving, if it ever happened,
while minimal, is not out of the question. There are certainly people
about today who have several of the physical symptoms normally ascribed
to vampires. Besides the undead part - although there are the people who
fall asleep and go into a state only seen in hibernating animals and
reptiles (ultra slow heartbeat and such). Heck, it was commonly thought
lots of people could be buried alive - we once buried everyone with a
bell on a 7ft string to yank in case they woke up down there.
> >> Also, as the blood's main purpose is to provide oxygen for the bodily
> >> functions, and as vampires aren't supposed to be breathing in the
> >> first place, why would they need blood flowing through their veins at
> >> all? We must therefore assume that blood would be ingested simply to
> >> fuel the kinds of mystical powers that would allow them to exist in
> >> the first place.
> >
> >They don't need blood flowing through their veins for the human purpose.
> >Maybe to feed the virus and keep the tissue viable? Or to sustain the
> >mystical powers, or both.
>
> Why would they need to ingest the blood of others for nourishment, if
> their bodies produced blood of their own?
Blood insufficiencies. Such as iron, haemoglobin, etc. If they can't eat
veges, are anaemic, and can't eat cooked food, then it's raw meat and
mugs of blood for breakfast lunch and dinner, right?
> >> There is no vampire lore that even vaguely supports vampires
> >> reproducing in a "natural" capacity, unless it's come out of Hollywood
> >> or novels by Anne Rice and her ilk.
> >
> >So just because one set of myths says that there is no natural way of
> >reproducing it means that any other is wrong?
>
> One set of myth? No set of myth supports the idea.
> And Blade isn't myth...
Where does Blade get its ideas from then? And it is part of the overall
myth, just not highly regarded since it is Hollywood.
> >The scary thing about
> >vamps reproducing is that it would mean they can exist independently of
> >humans, rather than relying on them. Possibly why birth was not in
> >original lore?
>
> Every single piece of vampire myth *and* Hollywood says vampires need
> to feed on humans to survive, so I'm not sure where this is coming
> from...
You have repeatedly said birth is not in the myths, I was simply trying
to provide an explanation... I don't know where Blade got its idea from
(for 'true bloods'). Angel has a Vampire father, and Blade's pop was a
vamp too. I think in some lore vamps can make babies? Or do they somehow
possess someone elses?
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Hello ACV, this one's spawned out of AGSC. Please, jump in and do what
you will....
Byers ex machina wrote:
>
> On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:37:46 +0100, Phorse 5
> <daphorse-x3@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> >> According to lore, the basis of a vampire is the reanimated corpse of
> >> a human. So, a vampire, being a dead thing, can't sustain or generate
> >> blood of it's own (nor any other bodily fluid).
> >
> >Ergo it cannot reproduce, you say? How about as a virus type scenario?
> >If the vamp is re animated by the virus, and infects others, it's a sort
> >of reproduction. It's just much more cellular (the viral reproduction).
> >Maybe the virus can create fluids which are transferred during
> >copulation. However this is still only infection, not really
> >reproduction in any mammalian sense.
>
> Those infected would still have started out human, as opposed to being
> born a vampire.
> The only possible meaning of the term "true blood" vampire, would be a
> vampire born the human way, and not the way you speak of.
True. Blade must have got its inspiration from somewhere. I doubt they
came up with the idea of the 'true blood' vampire. There is the
possibility of course that a true blood is actually a warm, mortal
human, who just happened to get an unfortunate collection of genetic
defects and allergies, requiring them to avoid the sun and consume
copious amounts of raw blood.
Given humans originally ate raw food (way back before we found matches),
the possibility of this trait collection surviving, if it ever happened,
while minimal, is not out of the question. There are certainly people
about today who have several of the physical symptoms normally ascribed
to vampires. Besides the undead part - although there are the people who
fall asleep and go into a state only seen in hibernating animals and
reptiles (ultra slow heartbeat and such). Heck, it was commonly thought
lots of people could be buried alive - we once buried everyone with a
bell on a 7ft string to yank in case they woke up down there.
> >> Also, as the blood's main purpose is to provide oxygen for the bodily
> >> functions, and as vampires aren't supposed to be breathing in the
> >> first place, why would they need blood flowing through their veins at
> >> all? We must therefore assume that blood would be ingested simply to
> >> fuel the kinds of mystical powers that would allow them to exist in
> >> the first place.
> >
> >They don't need blood flowing through their veins for the human purpose.
> >Maybe to feed the virus and keep the tissue viable? Or to sustain the
> >mystical powers, or both.
>
> Why would they need to ingest the blood of others for nourishment, if
> their bodies produced blood of their own?
Blood insufficiencies. Such as iron, haemoglobin, etc. If they can't eat
veges, are anaemic, and can't eat cooked food, then it's raw meat and
mugs of blood for breakfast lunch and dinner, right?
> >> There is no vampire lore that even vaguely supports vampires
> >> reproducing in a "natural" capacity, unless it's come out of Hollywood
> >> or novels by Anne Rice and her ilk.
> >
> >So just because one set of myths says that there is no natural way of
> >reproducing it means that any other is wrong?
>
> One set of myth? No set of myth supports the idea.
> And Blade isn't myth...
Where does Blade get its ideas from then? And it is part of the overall
myth, just not highly regarded since it is Hollywood.
> >The scary thing about
> >vamps reproducing is that it would mean they can exist independently of
> >humans, rather than relying on them. Possibly why birth was not in
> >original lore?
>
> Every single piece of vampire myth *and* Hollywood says vampires need
> to feed on humans to survive, so I'm not sure where this is coming
> from...
You have repeatedly said birth is not in the myths, I was simply trying
to provide an explanation... I don't know where Blade got its idea from
(for 'true bloods'). Angel has a Vampire father, and Blade's pop was a
vamp too. I think in some lore vamps can make babies? Or do they somehow
possess someone elses?
--
from: Mr. J D Cooper aka Phorse 5 [Force 5]
Remove the number(s) from the email address
for fastest reply. More sig here:
© http://phorse.netfirms.com/sig.html ©
Fireball Holdings © 2001 - 2004
ABN: 23 939 806 835
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