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December 30, 2007 6:45:46 PM


Have a 4 yr old 9800 A-I-W 128mb card that's going bad on me and am looking to replace it along with getting a new system sometime. I am looking to match or hopefully improve upon the old card for around $100. Don't play to much in newer games except I'm looking to play ArmA: Armed Assualt which has specifications

Minimum specifications

* 2 GHz or better Intel or AMD processor, or equivalent of.
* 512 MB of memory.
* nVidia Geforce FX with 128 MB RAM & Pixel Shader 2.0 or better
* ATI Radeon 9500 with 128 MB of RAM & Pixel Shader 2.0 or better
* 5 GB of Disk space (or more as needed for downloadable add-ons)
* Windows 2000 or Windows XP.
* DirectX 9.0c


Recommended specifications

* 3 GHz or better Intel or AMD processor, or equivalent of.
* 1 GB memory
* nVidia 6800 or better, with at least 256 MB of onboard RAM.
* ATI X800 or better with at least 256 MB of onboard RAM
* 5 GB of Disk space(or more as needed for downloadable add-ons)
* Windows XP.
* DirectX 9.0c



The system

Gigabyte GA-7N400PRO2 NVIDIA n
http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Motherboard/Products_Overview.aspx?ProductID=1678

AMD 2500+ (not overclocked)

1GB Kingston KVR333X64C25

lc-b400atx 380W power supply

Is my old cpu going to be a choking point to play the above game or any of the available vid cards?

Thanks for your time
Bob

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December 30, 2007 6:59:48 PM

Defenitely that old AMD 2500 is simply not going to handle most modern games today.

if you can i would suggest a fulll CPU upgrade as well getting an PCI-E mobo, you gotta upgrade sometime!

December 30, 2007 7:00:47 PM

8800GT 256 $200

or 3850 is $170
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December 30, 2007 7:26:11 PM

Will my 380W PS limit those AGP cards? As far as upgrading I'll buy a new system first before I trust my fingers and patience with a full blown mobo upgrade, LOL. Thanks for the replies.
December 30, 2007 7:41:17 PM

...sometimes, I wonder if people even read the darn thread before they recommend a video card...

8800GT won't fit. Neither will an HD 3850.

I actually recommended the HD 2600XT to one of my friends as a replacement for his 9800 PRO...

Your cpu won't limit it in any real way...ATI drivers are less CPU-heavy, so, you'll likely only notice the difference in framerate numbers that won't mean anything to you anyway...

Like, at 800x600, you'll get 70 frames per second instead of 90.

Leverage a little more graphical power at it, and your cpu can keep up again, because it just has to send the data for the frame to the card...and the card, having to do twice as much work, won't be bottlenecked any more.

Like me, I'm running an 8800GTS 512 on my e4300, which is barely overclocked (1.93 GHz)...I lose 3000 3dmarks in 3dmark06 from what the card is capable of, but, if I crank the filters, at 1280x1024, the processor doesn't bottleneck the card in any game besides maybe ones that already run at 130 fps.

Plus, the HD 2600XT is a power lightweight.
December 30, 2007 8:03:59 PM

Also if he could add another gig of memory that would give his system a nice boost. As long as you could get it cheap. Not sure how much DDR is costing these days. DDR2 is dirt cheap. What is the current speed of your memory? I had a 2500+ Barton and I could set the FSB to 200 and it would run as a 3200+ with no problems at all. No voltage adjustment or anything just by upping the FSB, you should look into that.
Of course I had DDR 400 in my system. The X1650 pro is also a decent card if you can find a new one. NewEgg only has an open box version. Which will cost you around 70 bucks.

Also here are two good articles that you should read.

This is part 1

http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/01/10/agp-platform-ana...

This is part 2

http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/02/01/agp-platform-ana...
December 30, 2007 8:37:44 PM

"In this first article, we're going to start by benchmarking all the newest, most powerful AGP cards on an Athlon XP 2500+"

Looks like a fine example for "do a search before posting a question" advice, LOL :whistle: 
December 30, 2007 8:58:20 PM

The HD 2000 series drivers are okay, now, but you still have to get them from the manufacturer, and not the ATI download page. My roommate has the 2400PRO (he doesn't play any games newer than KOTOR, so, it's HD abilities recommended themselves), and it runs fine on Visiontek's version of the 7.10 catalyst drivers.

It's really just about having good drivers for the PCI-E to AGP bridge chip they have to use for the cards, and I think they've caught up.
December 30, 2007 9:01:25 PM

My memory

2x KINGSTON kvr333x64c25/512 512mb pc2700 333mhz cl2.5 ddr dimm

would 2GB($160) of match pair hyper x pc3200 400mhz w/heat spreader be much of a gain over 2GB($115)of plain old pc3200 400mhz?

December 30, 2007 9:12:06 PM

I changed my system from DDR 400 to DDR2 800, and only gained 2 frames per second in Counter Strike Source.

Not that big of a difference at all.
December 30, 2007 9:31:36 PM

bigb41571 said:
My memory

2x KINGSTON kvr333x64c25/512 512mb pc2700 333mhz cl2.5 ddr dimm

would 2GB($160) of match pair hyper x pc3200 400mhz w/heat spreader be much of a gain over 2GB($115)of plain old pc3200 400mhz?


Heck I picked up 4 gigs of DDR2 for less than 80 bucks a couple weeks ago. The differences in memory prices is just crazy.

If you are just doing light gaming and you want to keep you computer a while longer just upgrading the video card would probably be the way to go. Keeping your 2500+ at stock should be fine. Remember if you get faster memory it will not always guarantee a good over clock, it depends on the cpu. Like I said my 2500+ was a champ. If you get memory just get plain old budget DDR 400, I would not get anything fancy for such an old system.



December 30, 2007 9:52:46 PM

One last ?, maybe, if I did up the FSB to 200 would I need the 400mhz mem over the 333 to see the improvement. It's been awhile since I've had to know all this terminology.
December 30, 2007 11:46:42 PM

bigb41571 said:
One last ?, maybe, if I did up the FSB to 200 would I need the 400mhz mem over the 333 to see the improvement. It's been awhile since I've had to know all this terminology.


If you could over clock the 2500+ to a 3200+ yes you would see a nice improvement. But yes you would need the DDR 400 because I doubt your current memory would over clock that high, but you could try it.

Here is an old 2004 CPU chart. On the list you can compare the 3200+ Barton to the 2500+ Barton and you will see that the 3200+ does quite a bit better than the 2500+.


http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu_2004.html?modelx=33&m...