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I have read conflicting info as to whether you need to touch something grounded to discharge yourself. Some say no, just touch case metal and others say you will not discharge unless the case is plugged in and earth grounded.

If you need to touch something grounded in order to discharge then wouldn't this negate the possibility of damaging a component in the first place, unless it was also grounded?

Scott Mueller, of Upgrading and repairing pcs, advises using a wrist strap hooked to the chassis but he also says to leave the system unplugged while working on it and that merely having the strap on will keep you equalized with the system even if the system is unplugged. yet he also advises first touching an earth grounded metal object before beginning.

Frankly I'm confused.

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IMHO - If you do a lot of computer work (meaning you build for at least part time paid work), you can/should buy an ESD mat. They're not that expensive when you're being paid.

Hobbyist??? A wrist strap grounded to the chassis and a little common sense is all you need. Though if you insist on dragging your feet all over the house on the shag carpet while wearing wool on a cold dry day, make sure you touch the Cat before working on your comp. :D

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Reply to Scotteq

Touching the cat will work! I just did it a few minutes ago and he jumped!

But to my question: touching the case should do the trick and that's all I have ever done professionally or at home, though I would get a mat if I worked at a bench and not all over town.

The issue is that lately I have seen many people state confidently that the PC has to be plugged in for a case touch to work. Mueller and others seem to say this is a myth and that in fact at no time should the PC ever be plugged in while you are working on it.

That is the issue I wish to resolve.

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If the PSU has a hard switch on it, the PC can be plugged in while you're working. For new PSUs, it shouldn't cause a problem even with the hard switch on (at least in my experience). The "case touch" method should work even when the PC isn't grounded since you're equalizing the electrical potential between your skin and the case, which is hopefully connected to your components. I can't say so for isolated components though since their potential isn't related to the case potential.

If you're really nervous, get a pair of anti-static gloves along with an anti-static band.

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I agree with Mr. Mueller - The computer shouldn't be plugged in at all when you're digging around in it.

Though I guess if you wanted to be really anal, you could strip the two hot prongs off of a spare power cord so the ground is the only one left. When you ground your wrist strap to the chassis, that should carry through to the house ground. If you wanted to get elaborate, you could solder the wrist strap directly to the thing.




Hmmmm.... Wrist strap with a plug on the end of it....

Heeeeeeeere Kitty~Kitty! :ouch: :ouch:

:non: :non: :non:

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Scotteq wrote :

I agree with Mr. Mueller - The computer shouldn't be plugged in at all when you're digging around in it.

Though I guess if you wanted to be really anal, you could strip the two hot prongs off of a spare power cord so the ground is the only one left. When you ground your wrist strap to the chassis, that should carry through to the house ground. If you wanted to get elaborate, you could solder the wrist strap directly to the thing.




Hmmmm.... Wrist strap with a plug on the end of it....

Heeeeeeeere Kitty~Kitty! :ouch: :ouch:

:non: :non: :non:



We have a bunch of those in our video room because the manager is paranoid about static harming his precious mixers even though there aren't any exposed components around. :pt1cable:

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Reply to jbj190

jbj190 wrote :

We have a bunch of those in our video room because the manager is paranoid about static harming his precious mixers even though there aren't any exposed components around. :pt1cable:




Yah - the only problem with that setup is if the outlet has a short..... :o :o :o :o :o :o

Kind of an attention-getter, no? :heink:

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Reply to Scotteq

i would plug the pc in, turn it off at the wall or at the power supply. this way the whole pc should be grounded.

 

use the wrist strap to connect you to a bit of exposed metal on the case. this way everthing including yourself will be at ground potential.

 

any components coming out of an esd bag should be at ground potential because the last person to touch them will have also been grounded.

 

this way, when you take the new component out of the bag their should be no difference in the charge between you, the pc or the new component. (everythings at ground or at ground potential already)

 

the only hazzard is when you put that new component on the floor or any other surface not at ground potential. thats where the mat is usefull.

 

contrary to popular belief, putting an esd bag between the surface and the component will not protect it. components have to be insde the bag with it sealed to get any protection. they work on the faraday cage principle.

 

in all truth though, components are quite resistant to esd in my experience. the only precaution i use is not wearing nylon and not walking across the carpet when handling esd goods! i have never experienced any dead or half dead components!

 

if your realy paranoid bout it high humidity makes it very hard for a charge to build up. boiling some water or putting the shower on may help lol bit ott but may be worth it if your working on a really expensive piece of hardware and arent sure youve got your esd protection on point


Message edited by psymanproductions on 01-05-2008 at 11:44:25 AM
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