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December 24, 2007 1:49:10 AM

Hey Im new here and need help. Im a newbie when it comes to this stuff so you might need to explain your suggestions in lamens terms. I built my first comp few years ago for the first time. I did all the research and read all the reviews, but didn't ask the pros. So here I am.

Several months ago my comp got fried through my modem (only thing I didn't have on the surgeprotector). Well here is my old build. Id like to keep my budget about $800 (so if I can salvage anything that would be cool). Looking for a gaming rig.

Motherboard: ASUS P5GDC-V (need to be replaced)
Processor: Intel 3.4G Pent 4 HT (need to be replaced)
Video Card: Radeon X700
* I hear stuff about people running duo video cards. Probably wouldn't want to do it with mine since its so old.
Memory: 1 GB of Kingston KVR not sure if it was DDR or DDR2
Harddrive: WD Raptor 74.3GB SATA. Also have a WD Caviar IDE 250GB laying around that I never used since I
didn't know how to set both of them up together.
Powersupply: Antec Neo 480w Max
Case: Lian Li PC-60
Sound Card: none
Didn't have any additional cooling
and Windows XP Pro OEM

Thanks for any help I can get.

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December 24, 2007 2:27:17 AM

Your HDDs should be Fine.
Your Case Should be Fine
I would get a new PSU just to be safe.

Here is a quick list.......

Gigabyte P35 DS3L Motherboad - $90
E2160 CPU - $85
2GB DDR2-800 RAM - $50
8800GT 512MB GPU - $280
Decent Cosair PSU - $80 (520w or 550w)
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This comes in well under your budget and will fit you needs nicely.

If looking to upgrade the CPU, consider
the E4500 @ $125
the E6750 @ $180
the Q6600 @ $270

Personally, I think the E2160 is a good buy and will OC nicely to 3.2Ghz or 3.4 Ghz and meet your needs just fine. It will be much much faster than your old P4.
December 24, 2007 2:36:56 AM

I would say you can reuse the hard drives, probably also the DVD drive. For 800 bucks you could definitely have a nice gaming rig.
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December 24, 2007 3:10:44 AM

zenmaster said:
Your HDDs should be Fine.
Your Case Should be Fine
I would get a new PSU just to be safe.

Here is a quick list.......

Gigabyte P35 DS3L Motherboad - $90
E2160 CPU - $85
2GB DDR2-800 RAM - $50
8800GT 512MB GPU - $280
Decent Cosair PSU - $80 (520w or 550w)
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This comes in well under your budget and will fit you needs nicely.

If looking to upgrade the CPU, consider
the E4500 @ $125
the E6750 @ $180
the Q6600 @ $270

Personally, I think the E2160 is a good buy and will OC nicely to 3.2Ghz or 3.4 Ghz and meet your needs just fine. It will be much much faster than your old P4.

I would 2nd Zen's build. 2nd the Corsair hx520w or vx550w. Both are nice and leave plenty of room for upgrades later. You could go a tad bit cheaper on the PSU, but I don't recommend skimping too much on a PSU. If your getting a quality PSU than things can be different, but in your budget you should be spending about $80-100 for a Quality PSU. This will hopefully eliminate any PSU issues later, since it'll be of quality and also have a decent warranty to fall back on, in the event something goes wrong.
You might want to get a newer HD, since that is generally a bottleneck on most systems nowadays, although you could just use your current one(s). Remember that newer mobo's usually only have 1 IDE port on them, so if you have a HD and 2 DVD/CD drives that are EIDE, you won't be able to use all of them. I'd get a 320gb newer SATA HD to compliment your Raptor drive. Use the Raptor for the OS and the 2nd HD for storage. The 250g that you list, is that a SATA or IDE HD? If it's SATA than you might just be better off using it, but if it's a IDE one than I'd get a newer SATA HD.
Another GPU option to consider is an AMD 3870. They are about the same price as the 8800gt and run a little cooler than the 8800gt's. Performance is close too and if you eventually get 2 of them you'll be able to have better performance than a 8800gtx (g80)!!! Having 2 of them will help out on higher resolutions. What resolutions do you currently run under?
As far as a CPU, I'm with Zen on the e2160 for a budget CPU. You can easily OC it to 2.8-3 ghz on the stock HSF and don't have to pay for the added performance (other than the power required to OC it). This is a very nice CPU for the $ and allows you to spend more $ on a decent GPU or better mobo.
The Gigabyte DS3L is a nice solid OC'ing mobo based on the p35 chipset. Other options are the Abit IP35-e/Asus p5k-se. These are the base p35 mobo's from different manufacturers. Any of them are good, so check the options that come with them and make sure they have the options that you are looking for. If you upgrade to the bigger brothers of these you will get more options. I'd recommend the DS3R/IP35/Asus P5k as upgrades from the base models. The base models DON'T come with RAID, but that may/may not be a deal breaker for you, so just double check which options you want. There is the x38 chipset out for Intel builds, but I think it's just too expensive for the performance that you get.

AMD has options for you too, if your interested in them. Currently the Phenom's quad core CPU's have some TLB errata issues and are currently being worked out, so I'm not currently recommending them. I have recently read a review, but for the life of me can't find right now, that the Phenom TLB bug isn't too big of a deal for regular consumers. Yes there is a problem there, but the review did some extensive testing and didn't have a single issue relating to the TLB or any error at all. I'm not saying this confirms what I'm saying, just stating what the review said. Ahhh!!! Here's the link to the review. You can read it for yourself and make whatever conclusions from it.
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/618/1/
Here's the quote that I was referencing to in the review on the 2nd page towards the end of the review " We have yet to see it on any of our systems and unless you are running VMware it's likely you won't run into it either. "

I only mention AMD in this build to try and show both sides of the pond at what you could get. Intel currently has the upper hand on AMD, but AMD has budget options that make sense. I'm hoping that AMD can clear up their issues and get back to better performance, so Intel will have to keep the pedal down and push the technologies!!! If you are interested in an AMD build, I can suggest one for you under the $800 range. I'm not sure if this is an option that your considering, but if you are, we can all help you out.
December 31, 2007 6:44:22 AM

After reading over your comments (thanks), this is what I came up with so far. Still need bit of help.
Should I think about using multiple GPUs? It seemed for those items suggested SLI was easier to go.

Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $99.99
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E1681...
It only has 1 PCIE x 16 slot, will this become an issue? Is this SLI compatable?

Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo E4500 Allendale 2.2GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80557E4500 - Retail 124.99
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E1681...
The whole series seemed to get good reviews. At 2.2 GHz can you really overclock to 3.2? My last rig I had trouble overclocking. But I didn't try til near the end of its life. Maybe thats why.

Video Card: EVGA 512-P3-N802-A1 GeForce 8800GT Superclocked 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail $289.99
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E1681...
I went with this one cause as I mentioned before the other listed items seemed not to fit crossfire. So I thought Id keep SLI a option. Which is better? Anyways, this GPU got great reviews. I hear its a good mfg. Says out of stock atm but ETA of 1/1/08

Memory: G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL5D-2GBNQ - Retail $48.99
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E1682...
Seemed to get good reviews. Good discount.

Harddrive: I have not choosen one yet. Probally would need to since my caviar is IDE. Should I use my raptor (74 GB @ 10,000rpm) and buy a 7500 rpm with 250+gb (should I get more than 250?). Who should I go with? Seagate? If I use my Raptor do I need to buy a WD? Is it ok to go OEM on HD?

Powersupply: CORSAIR CMPSU-520HX ATX12V v2.2 and EPS12V 2.91 520W Power Supply - Retail $119.99
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E1681...

Case: Lian Li PC-60 My old case

Sound Card: none

I didn't mention them last time.
CD/DVD Drives: Nec ND-3500A and SOHC-5232K Should these be replace?

and Windows XP Pro OEM

Total: so far $683.95

So what do you think of the build? Should I get additional cooling? How long will this last me? I like my shooters will I get good FPS in online play?
Thanks for your help.
December 31, 2007 8:08:07 AM

The first one is overclocked
December 31, 2007 8:35:43 AM

digitalzephyr said:
Hey Im new here and need help. Im a newbie when it comes to this stuff so you might need to explain your suggestions in lamens terms. I built my first comp few years ago for the first time. I did all the research and read all the reviews, but didn't ask the pros. So here I am.

Several months ago my comp got fried through my modem (only thing I didn't have on the surgeprotector). Well here is my old build. Id like to keep my budget about $800 (so if I can salvage anything that would be cool). Looking for a gaming rig.

Motherboard: ASUS P5GDC-V (need to be replaced)
Processor: Intel 3.4G Pent 4 HT (need to be replaced)
Video Card: Radeon X700
* I hear stuff about people running duo video cards. Probably wouldn't want to do it with mine since its so old.
Memory: 1 GB of Kingston KVR not sure if it was DDR or DDR2
Harddrive: WD Raptor 74.3GB SATA. Also have a WD Caviar IDE 250GB laying around that I never used since I
didn't know how to set both of them up together.
Powersupply: Antec Neo 480w Max
Case: Lian Li PC-60
Sound Card: none
Didn't have any additional cooling
and Windows XP Pro OEM

Thanks for any help I can get.


You have $800 to play with, right? Here is what I would do:

GPU
$259 - Gigabyte 8800GT. It comes with a $30 Zalman cooler already on it for only $259:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU
$72 - e2180 oem, great overclocker. Overclock to 3.0ghz+
http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=E2180
$21 - Arctic Cooler Pro 7, way better than stock Intel:
http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=FAN-AC7PRO

or

$189 - e6750
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM
$50 - 2x1gb sticks of Crucial Ballistix DDR2-800, top quality RAM, great overclocker:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

MOTHERBOARD
$99 - Gigabyte P35 board, the reviews speak for themselves:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

POWER SUPPLY
$58 - $68 shipped with $10 rebate. Corsair 550watt PSU, great quality and a large single amp +12v rail.
While newegg is pretty good on most, they rip people on PSU's.
http://www.buy.com/prod/corsair-vx-550w-power-supply/q/...

$30 - DVD burner of your choice.

The above puts us at only $570'ish after rebate(s).
If you to spend another $100, go for the e6750 processor and/or add a basic sound card.

Keep your Raptor for Windows / apps and IDE drive for games / storage (unless it's 5400rpm, then sell it). The Lian Li is a nice case, I would keep.
December 31, 2007 11:11:17 AM

Okay a few things to consider:
PSU - you can get the hx520w here for less, $101 shipped - $10 MIR and $10 google checkout = $81!!! What a steal for a quality PSU!!!
Corsair 520W SLI Certified Modular ATX Power Supply - CMPSU-520HX
http://www.buy.com/prod/corsair-520w-sli-certified-modu...

Mobo: $90 shipped, beats the OOS at newegg, currently!
GIGABYTE Intel P35 + ICH9 Chipset DDR2 1066 ATX GA-P35-DS3L Rev 2.0 Motherboard Retail
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...
or
Mobo - $134 shipped Will give you option of Xfire (2 AMD GPU's), if you decide this option is good for you. You can buy 1 AMD GPU (3870) now and buy one later, if your resolution goes up by buying a newer/bigger LCD later.
ASUS P5K LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or
Mobo - $122 shipped This option if you want to go SLI in the future. There is newer versions coming out, but currently they are WAAYY expensive for now.
ASUS P5N-E SLI LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 650i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU - $180 shipped Will OC nicely and will last longer than a e2180, since you have the budget :) 
Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 Conroe 2.66GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU - $250 shipped You can get this instead of the 8800gt, if your going to go Xfire later. If not, you can still get the 8800gt for a single card system or SLI later :) 
SAPPHIRE 100215L Radeon HD 3870 512MB 256-bit GDDR4 PCI Express 2.0 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Memory - $49 shipped no MIR needed :)  Some of the best DDR2 800mHz CAS4 memory out there. Will easily OC when you want to do that :) 
Crucial Technology Ballistix BL2KIT6464AA804 1GB Kit DDR2-800 PC2-6400 Memory Retail
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

HD - $70 shipped! Use this for you data and games. It's SATA 3.0 and will run well with your Raptor. I'd use your Raptor for you OS HD and this one for everything else. Most newer games are now approaching 10gb of storage space, so you should probably get at least 250gb right now. You can always add another HD later, if you like.
Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3250410AS 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Finally, you can stick with a 1 GPU option if you like and just save you $ for an upgrade in a year or two with the latest/greatest GPU for the $. Hopefully I've helped clear things up for you?
December 31, 2007 12:05:54 PM

lunyone said:

GPU - $250 shipped You can get this instead of the 8800gt, if your going to go Xfire later. If not, you can still get the 8800gt for a single card system or SLI later :) 
SAPPHIRE 100215L Radeon HD 3870 512MB 256-bit GDDR4 PCI Express 2.0 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Memory - $49 shipped no MIR needed :)  Some of the best DDR2 800mHz CAS4 memory out there. Will easily OC when you want to do that :) 
Crucial Technology Ballistix BL2KIT6464AA804 1GB Kit DDR2-800 PC2-6400 Memory Retail
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...


Why do you always have to be a fanboy and push the second rate AMD crap? An $800 budget isn't going to get him an SLi board and two GPU's.

Also, that's only 1gb of memory you linked to for $49 :sarcastic: 
December 31, 2007 12:15:52 PM

Noya said:
Why do you always have to be a fanboy and push the second rate AMD crap? An $800 budget isn't going to get him an SLi board and two GPU's.

Also, that's only 1gb of memory you linked to for $49 :sarcastic: 

So 3870's are 2nd rate? I don't think so. I was just simply giving the OP some options to consider. He can decide which path to go. He can get a SLI mobo, but will have to wait on the 2nd GPU card. I'm pretty sure I stated that in my post, so not where your going with this. I did make a mistake on the memory. I should've linked the 2 gb set. Thanks for the correction. :) 
Crucial Technology Ballistix BL2KIT12864AA804 2GB kit DDR2-800 PC2-6400 Memory Retail ***Free Shipping***
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...
The memory above is $5 cheaper than newegg right now, so you can decide where to buy them from. Just make sure you get 800mHz DDR2 CAS4 stuff. CAS5 memory is good too, it just won't OC as much as the CAS4 stuff (in general).
December 31, 2007 12:36:27 PM

Noya,
No, Lunyone was not being a Fanboy.
The OP was asking about Dual Card Setups.

Back to the Op........

Since we are talking about Intel CPU options, I will talk about
motherboards for Intel CPUs.

Basically Motherboads can support

SLI which is a dual NVIDIA card setup. ( 650i or 680i motherboards.)

or

CF which is a dual ATI setup (Intel X38 boards - Generally P35 are not good for CF even if they claim support.)

Any Motherboard can support a Single Card from either ATI or NVIDIA.

If you want to do SLI, the motherboard will likely be more expensive.
You will also need a more powerful Power Supply.
Both of these will cut into your budget a little bit.

Personally, I think the single card setup is most likely going to suit you just fine, especially if you use a 19" or 20" monitor.
December 31, 2007 12:55:35 PM

lunyone brought but the ASUS motherboard option before I could. I would go with the P5K-E if your going with the P35 chipset. Also if you have a network the P5K-E wi-fi is the same price. I'm not going to get in the SLI/Xfire debate, I do believe that unless your using a big monitor it is not needed. I don't blame you wanting to keep your options open though. Good luck
December 31, 2007 11:55:22 PM

Thanks for making this easier for me :) . Guess Ill do some more research. I wasn't set on the whole 2 GPU thing. How will a $800 build do in COD4 or Teamfortress? Its been months since I been doing any online FPSing.
January 1, 2008 3:19:21 AM

It will do great, assuming you get a card like the 8800GT. I have one and its awesome.
January 1, 2008 3:25:05 AM

SLI is for people who want to have the latest and greatest. In other words, what is faster than the fastest card out there? Well two of them. Sort of the idea. Say you bought an SLI motherboard and one card expecting to grab another later. By the time that you are ready to purchase another card, there will be newer and faster models out. Then, even a single newer card will be faster than two of the older cards most of the time. Not to mention you will be up to date on any new technology like direct x updates. So to sum it up, unless you are a hardcore gamer, or need SLI for a certain reason like needing more power for multiple monitors or some insanely huge resolution, I would advise against it. Taking into account the extra cost of and SLI motherboard and so on, I would say it's not worth it most of the time.

Of course this is all IMHO ;) 
January 5, 2008 1:29:27 AM

Here is version 3.0. I went lil over budget. Guess thats ok.

Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $99.99
http://www.newegg.com/product/prod [...] 6813128059
Sticking with this everyone seems to agree with it.

Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 Conroe 2.66GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80557E6750 - Retail 189.99
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E1681...
I decided to go bigger here so it will last me a lil longer.

Video Card: EVGA 512-P3-N801-AR GeForce 8800GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail $269.99
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E1681...
This one was lil cheaper. Gives me few bucks to buy cooling. What is the difference with the N801 and N802? Just different versions?

Memory: Crucial Ballistix 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model BL2KIT12864AA804 - Retail $74.99 w/ $25 rebate
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E1682...
As per suggestion of poster.

Harddrive: Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3250410AS 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM $69.99
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E1682...
Couple it up with my old Raptor. Im not gonna have issues with it being OEM am I?

Powersupply: Corsair 520W SLI Certified Modular ATX Power Supply - CMPSU-520HX - Retail $97.24 http://www.buy.com/prod/corsair-52 [...] 70716.html
Is 520W gonna be enough?

Case: Lian Li PC-60 My old case

Sound Card: none

DVD/CD: Any sugestions on which? Should I buy from newegg.com? Don't seem alot of reviews for any of them.

Cooling: ARCTIC COOLING Accelero S1 VGA Cooler - Retail $23.99
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E1683...

and

ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler - Retail $21.99
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E1683...

I decided to get cooling cause I had overheating issues with my last build and I didn't even overclock.


and Windows XP Pro OEM

Total: so far $848.17
Am I missing anything?

Thanks for your help.
January 5, 2008 3:57:28 PM

Any last suggestions? I may buy tonight.

Also I may be in the market for a new monitor. Right now I have a Viewsonic. What are they called CRT? Well the non-flatpanel ones. Any suggestions? Are there good cheap ones? Or am I looking to spend $250+?
January 5, 2008 4:56:14 PM

that psu will be fine.

crt (cathode ray tube) uses a tube that shoots electrons @ screen to make image. there generally better for gaming b/c theres NO lag 0ms from the monitor. nowadays, just go far a nice, big 24"+ widescreen lcd..dont go with a 22" (i did..) they have poor color representation BUT faster reponse times because of there TN panels (6-bit). just look around for other posts on the matter

depends on the size you want, IMO dont go too low and get at least 1680x1050 resolution, youll be happy with your choice.

by the way, i wouldn't go with the E6750 if you plan to overclock...just get a E2180 and it will outperform a stock E6750 when OCd...no need in wasting the 100$
!