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December 24, 2007 2:35:26 AM

Hey people! I am attempting to build my first gaming home built system, I have a 1500 dollar budget, and after some time on newegg.com i came up with this assortment of stuff:

Product Description Savings Total Price



LITE-ON 20X DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe Black SATA Model LH-20A1L-06
$37.99


APEVIA X-CRUISER-BK Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
$64.99

Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
$104.99

Hanns·G HW-191APB Black 19" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor
$169.99

EVGA 512-P3-N802-A1 GeForce 8800GT Superclocked 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 HDCP Ready SLI
$289.99

Rosewill RX850-S-B ATX12V v2.2 & EPS12V v2.91 850W Power Supply - Retail
$119.99

Microsoft ZG6-00006 OEM Black PS/2 Wired Standard Keyboard 500
$11.99

Microsoft N71-00007S Black 3 Buttons 1 x Wheel USB Wired Optical Wheel Mouse
$9.99

Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM
$5.99

two: G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-
$93.98
($46.99 each)

GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
$96.99

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz LGA 775 Quad-Core Processor Model HH80562PH0568M - OEM
$255.00

Microsoft Windows Vista 64-Bit Ultimate for System Builders Single Pack DVD - OEM
$179.99

ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler
$21.99

Total with 50.63 for shipping: $1,514.55

Here are some things i wanted to say:

I want to be able to overclock the Q6600 to at least 3.0GHz, will this fan do it?
Also, is 850w overkill? can I save some money and get lower?
Although I am pretty convinced on the Q6600 and 8800GT, i am VERY open to suggestions on everything else.
Is this RAM any good? should I go for 2gb of better RAM than 4gb of a brand i've never used? I heard 64-bit works best on 4gb, so i don't know.
and about cooling, do i have everything i would need, I am new to this so i really have no idea.

Thanks for any help, i really appreciate it!

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December 24, 2007 3:46:00 AM

850 Watts is overkill, all you need for that build is a quality 500+ Watt PSU with at least 30 amps on the 12+ rails.

Everything else looks great. Enjoy it :) 
December 24, 2007 3:50:45 AM

I'll go straight down your list and give honest opinions and what I would do if I were you.

Optical drive... looks fine!

CAse... no way man. I would get the Antec nine hundred... awesome cooling. friend just got one!

Hard drive is great!

Monitor... the one thing that you will regret if you skimp on the size and manufacture. Get the samsung 22 inch. You can find it for 279 like I did. I love it to death. such an improvment over 19 inch.

I personally would consider getting the 8800GTS(G92) only beause of the added benefit of the cooler. If you absolutely dont plan on overclocking the 8800GT get that same one like I did... I love the card just wish I could have gotten crysis with it like they have bundled with it now.

PSU... I love PC power and cooling and in the future that's all I'll be buying besides maybe corsair modular. Your research really pay's off here but fortunately you wont need to research PC power and cooling.

Keyboard and mouse: you are being too cheap. Logitech makes inexpensve G5 mouse (if you are going to skimp here do it on the keyboard not the mouse)

Arctic silver five is the best they make... i personally used it on more than one occasion... one tube goes a long way. Just dont use too much and remember you probably wont use to little even if you think you are.

Memory is important. Get DDR2 800... something that is overclockable (just look for extreme performance or gaming memory) I would get 2x2 gig sticks because then your mobo will run memory in 1t command rate instead of 2T. This is a big deal in some instances. Plus it is cheaper and you'll be able to run 8 gigs later with your 64 bit op sys (good choice too)

Mobo... I like p35 boards but would go with x38 instead. If you do stick with P35 MSI neo is super review friendly and major overclockable. X38 is future proof though.

Proc: My choice exactly. Get the G0 stepping (imperative to overclockers)

Zalman 9700 has made it through some amazing reviews!!!! with great results. Your choice in the end!

Have fun and I hope this helps. This is just what I would do and dont think it will cost any more $$$




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December 24, 2007 5:00:23 AM

I just built a very similar PC last week.

I second hughyhunter's suggestions.

I used the same HDD and video card.

PC power & cooling has great PSUs I used the quad silencer 750.
750 is a little overkill, but it gives headroom for OCing.

I have my Q6600 OCed to a modest 3.0GHz with a tuniq Tower and some artic silver.

Another good case is the Coolermaster CM690. Its cheap with excellent cooling. I have six 120mm fans in mine and they are pretty silent. The 8800gt makes way more noise.

G.Skill is good, I would do the 2x2GB if you a some extra $$ since you want Vista 64bit. I havent had any major problems with 64bit Vista yet.

As for the mobo its your choice really P35 or X38. I did the ASUS Maximus Formula X38 mainly for a little bit better future proofing with PCIe 2.0.

Good Luck
December 24, 2007 6:13:48 AM

hughyhunter said:


Have fun and I hope this helps. This is just what I would do and dont think it will cost any more $$$


Suggested components cost versus original component cost:

Case = $80 (after $40 MIR) = $15 more

Monitor = $270 = $100 more

Video Card = $360 = $70 more

PSU = $50 more

Mouse = $50 = $40 more

Memory = $99 = $6 more. Actually a good idea.
$99 G.Skill 2x2GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Motherboard = $230 (for a cheap one) = $130 more. Really an X38 ... ? Future proof ? ... NOTHING IS FUTURE PROOF this is a computer we are talking about.

Total of $410 more.

So for 25% (410/1550) more $ you get a bunch of slightly nicer peripherals, slightly better video card, and a motherboard that will be just as obsolete when you want to upgrade as the P35.

If you get a 22 inch monitor you get the extra pixels / resolution, but it will tax your video card more. If you are used to a 19 or smaller I would stay with it because once you go bigger its hard to deal with anything less.

If you get a gaming mouse go to circuit city / best buy and play with the gaming mice there to find one that you like, then order it online if cheaper. I personally have a g5, but there may be better mice out there for you preferences. RAZOR makes decent ones, I would check them out, also the logitech MX518 is a really nice gaming mouse for $40. But really a $10 MS mouse will do unless you are really into online FPS and are looking for a little bit more of an edge on everyone else.

8800GT vs 8800 GTS (G92): Well if you pay $70 more you get the faster component, or you could Crossfire some 3870s, or SLI some ultras. My point is you can always spend more for marginal performance upgrades, but you have to draw the line somewhere and I think the 8800 GT is where you want to be on that price to performance curve.

Please for the love of god do not buy an X38. The X38 was made for people who buy the $900 Penryn as soon as it comes out, not people who are building a $1500 system. Your P35-DS3L will do you just fine. (another price to performance thing)

I agree with nightscope, you PSU is lacking quality, I would recommend a tier 2 or 3 PSU from the following link:
http://www.tomswiki.com/page/Tiered+PSU+Listings?t=anon
A 500 Watt (with 30amps on the +12v rail) tier 2 or 3 PSU would put out enough for your build. You could always get one a little beefier if you felt like it though.

600 Watt tier 2 with modular cables $120:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Really other then you PSU you build is 100% fine, I would get the 2x 2GB instead of the 4x 1GB b/c it will keep those extra slots open for future upgrade, but its not that big of a deal. You could tweak it here or there, but it will cost you, and it looks like you have a budget of ~ $1500, so I say kudos and good luck.

- Luke

P.S.
All of my prices came from newegg on 24 Dec @ 3:15 AM
December 24, 2007 7:42:17 AM

Thanks for all the tips! So, some things i changed:

RAM to:
G.SKILL 4GB(2 x 2GB)(which is awesome becuse in the future i can go all out 8gb)

and

Power to:
XCLIO GREATPOWER X14S4P4 600W ATX12V 600W Power Supply (quality over quanity they always say(kinda))

And i'm still in budget! (now all I need is money for games!)

Ok just a few more questions,

What type of cables will i need(if any) for my HDD and DVD burner? I have heared since the hard drive is OEM it does not come with cables, but does somethign else? It may sound like a n00bish question, but like I said, i'm new at this.

also

will the 600w power supply be significant for over clocking? And how much head room do i have for in the future if i wanted to replace the video card with a newer one?

great answers! really appreciate this help.
December 24, 2007 5:03:08 PM

Ok... I really didnt realize that what I recommended would cost sooo much more. Anyhow if you dont want much to do with the X38 (which will allow you to go full crossfire) then stick with the P35. I would go with the MSI neo just because I read an awesome review here http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/11/08/dual_vs_quad/

I would also recommend that you get the better PSU... I have a Xion 600 watt powereal that I paid $99 for about a year ago and sometimes when really extreme o'cing it crashes and i'm stuck with not knowing it it's my o'c or my PSU. Plus a got a flag from nvidia control saying my PSU is not supplying enough power to my graphics card (only happened once during an o'c with fans supper high)

I would pay for quality here and get the pc power and cooling or maybe the 700+ watt corsair. I also like OCZ.

You shouldnt worry about cables... your motherboard will come with tons of them. It should definitley come with two sata cables... they are just plain jane red ones though... if you want nice onces get some from this link http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

I'm not quite sure what skywalker was talking about when it came to 70 bucks more for GTS... the only reason I would pay more for the GTS is cooling and slightly faster card... The cheapes one on this page http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E... is only $40 more than what you have selected... might be a good investment so you dont have to buy aftermarket cooling when overclocking.

I only recommend the 22 inch monitor because this is something that you dont really upgrade for a long time... When I first bought my 17 inch monitor 2 years ago I wished I would have got the 20.1 inch one instead... if I woul d have done that I probably wouldnt have bought this 22 inch now... This is my opinion... Go big here. Your video card will handle the slightly higher resolution just fine... probably only drop 5 FPS in most games.



December 24, 2007 7:47:52 PM

Why would he need full crossfire capabilities with an NVIDIA card?

He is getting a XCLIO Greatpower (not a regular XCLIO), a tier 2 (reliable) PSU, the XION in your example is tier 5 (not reliable).

Your motherboard does come with two SATA cables and IDE cables.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx?CurImage=1...

There is no reason to buy nicer SATA cables. Some people prefer rounded IDE cables, they make wiring your PC easier, it kind of cleans things up on the inside, and may help airflow (depending on how you would have wired things). If you really want some you can take you pick from these, none cost more then $10. You only have one IDE cable so there is not much point.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

hughyhunter has a valid point with the G92 GTS, it does provide a dedicated cooling slot for your video card, and it does perform @ GTX / Ultra levels. Most G92 GTS cards are retailing at newegg for $360, one for $330.

As for the FPS drop being 5 in most games:
BF 2142
1280 x 1024 x 32 4xAA 8xAF Max Quality = 92.0 FPS
1600 x 1200 x 32 4xAA 8xAF Max Quality = 68.6
= 23.4 or a 25% framerate loss
DOOM 3

1280 x 1024 x 32 4xAA 8xAF Ultra Quality = 124.6 FPS
1600 x 1200 x 32 4xAA 8xAF Ultra Quality = 95.7
= 28.9 or a 23% framerate loss
Oblivion

1280 x 1024 x 32 4xAA 8xAF Max Quality HDR-R = 42.8 FPS
1600 x 1200 x 32 4xAA 8xAF Max Quality HDR-R = 32.8
= 10 or a 23% framerate loss
Prey

1280 x 1024 x 32 4xAA 8xAF Max Quality = 85.3 FPS
1600 x 1200 x 32 4xAA 8xAF Max Quality = 64.2
= 21.1 or a 25% framerate loss

These benchmarks were pulled straight from
http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html
I am using the 1280x1024 (1,310,720 pixels) to represent his 19 inch widescreen's 1440 x 900 (1,296,000 pixels)
The 1600 x 1200 is for the samsung's 22 inch widescreen (1,920,000 versus 1,764,000 pixels).
So a ~20% loss in framerates, not too bad, but not 5 FPS either. If you are all that worried about your screen real estate you can always buy a 22 or 24 later and have a dual monitor setup.

@ thumbmaster021: You should be fine on overhead as long as you dont SLI or crossfire. You really can't do either of those because you have a crossfire motherboard with an SLI card. Not a big deal, SLI and crossfire are more for extreme systems. You should be fine to upgrade to the NVIDIA 9 series or the ATI 4 series, after that who knows. Both NVIDIA and ATI are trying to reduce the power consumption on their new cards, so you should be good on that.

@ hughyhunter: Please do some research before posting. You have suggested a crossfire board for SLI cards, suggested a 5 FPS drop when it was closer to 20, and suggested that your personal experience with a XION meant that the XCLIO greatpower was not sufficient for his purposes. The XCLIO has an active PFC, the XION passive. The XION is claims it is >75% efficient under load, the XCLIO >85% (all derived from the newegg product specs page). You had some good ideas and valid points, but you kept using personal experience as supporting reasons for many of your suggestions. We are online, you can claim anything you want to, which is why it is helpful if you back up some of those claims with something other then personal opinion or experience. If you actually do some research and Google stuff you can provide good, real reasons behind your suggestions. Did you know that in your link supporting the purchase of MSI NEO motherboard the Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3 series is also featured? On a more positive note you had a good point with the RAM and your G92 GTS vs GT argument had some merit as well.
December 24, 2007 8:27:10 PM

The E6750 O/Cs to 3.2 with the stock fan on the DS3L with no extra voltage. That case is crap, get one with 2x 120mm fans. The PSU is overkill, around 500w is enough. Save some $ on the 8800GT by getting the plain vanilla one and O/Cing it yourself. Save yourself a headache and boost your performance with XP Pro. Two hard rives (not RAIDed) will give you better performance and more redundency than one. 2GB ram is plenty for gaming. All together should save around $150.

December 24, 2007 9:10:45 PM

I want windows vista, even if it does have a performance loss(10% some say), but it has DX10 anyway. Vista is a memory hog(especially 64bit) so i need 4gb. Here is an updated Build:

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LITE-ON 20X DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe Black SATA Model LH-20A1L-06

LITE-ON 20X DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe Black SATA Model LH-20A1L-06 - Retail
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Rosewill R5604-BK 0.8mm SECC Screw-less Dual 120mm Fans ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

Rosewill R5604-BK 0.8mm SECC Screw-less Dual 120mm Fans ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
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-$20.00 Instant



$59.99
$39.99

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Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive

Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
Item #: N82E16822136073
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$104.99

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Hanns·G HW-191APB Black 19" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor

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XFX PVT88PYDF4 GeForce 8800GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card

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$269.99

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XCLIO GREATPOWER X14S4P4 600W ATX12V 600W Power Supply

XCLIO GREATPOWER X14S4P4 600W ATX12V 600W Power Supply - Retail
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-$10.00 Instant



$129.99
$119.99

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Logitech Value 100 Black PS/2 Standard Keyboard

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$9.99
$7.99

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Logitech MX518 2-Tone 8 Buttons 1 x Wheel USB + PS/2 Wired Optical Gaming-Grade Mouse

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$39.99

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Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound

Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM
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$5.99

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G.SKILL 4GB(2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL5D-4GBPQ

G.SKILL 4GB(2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL5D-4GBPQ - Retail
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GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard

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$96.99

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Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz LGA 775 Quad-Core Processor Model HH80562PH0568M

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz LGA 775 Quad-Core Processor Model HH80562PH0568M - OEM
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$255.00

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Microsoft Windows Vista 64-Bit Ultimate for System Builders Single Pack DVD

Microsoft Windows Vista 64-Bit Ultimate for System Builders Single Pack DVD - OEM
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-$10.00 Instant



$189.99
$179.99

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ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler

ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler - Retail
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-$15.00 Instant



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OK so we have some room for improvments on things like the case, which i btw replaced with a cheaper one that has two 120mm fans, but i will go up to 50 bucks over 1500(including shipping) if it is a good deal on a good case, and how is the one i picked out?

thanks
December 24, 2007 9:52:15 PM

skywalker9952 said:
@ hughyhunter: Please do some research before posting. You have suggested a crossfire board for SLI cards, suggested a 5 FPS drop when it was closer to 20, and suggested that your personal experience with a XION meant that the XCLIO greatpower was not sufficient for his purposes. The XCLIO has an active PFC, the XION passive. The XION is claims it is >75% efficient under load, the XCLIO >85% (all derived from the newegg product specs page). You had some good ideas and valid points, but you kept using personal experience as supporting reasons for many of your suggestions. We are online, you can claim anything you want to, which is why it is helpful if you back up some of those claims with something other then personal opinion or experience. If you actually do some research and Google stuff you can provide good, real reasons behind your suggestions. Did you know that in your link supporting the purchase of MSI NEO motherboard the Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3 series is also featured? On a more positive note you had a good point with the RAM and your G92 GTS vs GT argument had some merit as well.


points humbly and well taken. I should have done a little more research...
December 24, 2007 10:07:33 PM

I would stick with all those choices... However the mouse you are getting is optical and not laser (I dont know if that really makes much of a difference or not) which may not be as sharp... I really like my G7 which is only a wirelesss version of the G5. It never misses a beat! ATM it's about $15 more than the one you've selected but i've seen the less colorful one for less $$
Stick with the Q6600 instead of a Q2D like nhobo said. Your PSU is not overkill... it will allow headroom for future upgrades.
I read a review about quad cores and crysis that talked about having 4 gigs or ram... Crysis will benefit from 4 gigs of ram... I havent experienced it personally but I believe that you will be sitting very nicely with extra RAM... especially if you want to do things besides gaming like video and photo editing.
I too would deal with the headache of 64 bit vista... every op sys has it's problems initially but the future is vista and microsoft will make sure of this.
I wouldnt bother with RAID 0 for a budget system. Plus when you go that route you need to start thinking about RAID 0+1 or another way to protect your data... think about it you are more vulnerable to loosing data with RAID 0. So the cost would essentially increase if you went that route. If you want a faster performing hard drive maybe get a WD Raptor and another larger drive for storage. That way you still have the performance and security of second drive (i'm not talking about RAID 1 strictly just for storage)



December 24, 2007 10:28:39 PM

Looks good. The only thing I might change is the motherboard, possibly a P35-DS3L or P35-DS3R (depending on what you need, ie RAID, etc). The Gigabyte P35-DSx serise are great for OCing.
December 25, 2007 3:20:30 AM

Hey! Thanks for the help, i'll stick with that optical mouse as it has had some good reviews posted all the way up to this month. But I looked at some more GIGABYTE motherboards and came up with this one:

GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3P Rev 2.0 LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX

It is only 50 dollars more, so i would stay in budget, but it has a built in RAID controller, and more PCI, PCIe slots, and firewire ports. But the thing is that I don't use any of that stuff, the only good a PCI slot would do me is like a TV tuner but I could easily put that on the other MOBO. SLI(or Crossfire) still is not supported so, is there really any added benifit for my personal use except a couple more USB slots?

Happy Holidays!
December 25, 2007 6:01:25 AM

Wow... i thought that all mobo nowadays came with built in RAID controllers. Ask yourself if you ever plan on upgrading to a RAID configuration... also it comes with extra PCI-e slot. That would allow a physics accelerator or when sound cards go pci-e.

It's honestly hard to recommend for you to get the more expensive one when you are getting a bit closer to the high end x38 chips.

Have you thought about a 680i mobo? Just wondering because they are in your price range and support SLI.
December 25, 2007 7:07:30 AM

I am a noob so if anything I say is wrong and someone else is an expert please correct me so I will learn.

1. the monitor you selected does not have any DVI inputs. it has a D-Sub connector. D-Sub is an older analog technology.
2. the video card you selected does not have any D-Sub connectors, only DVI connectors. DVI is a newer digital technology.
If you buy an adapter to convert DVI to D-Sub you lose resolution converting the digital signal to an analog one. And the adapters are not cheap. I would reconsider and buy a monitor with a DVI input. I would also buy a monitor that is a bit larger so you can enjoy your games.

3. I have never read a favorable review of anything Rosewell. Not to mention that Rosewell is not a tier 1/2/3/4 PSU as per the bible of quality PSUs in this forum somewhere. (look in the PSU forum sticky notes.) I would think you would be better off with at least a tier 4 or a tier 3 PSU, such as the PC Power & Cooling Silencer. They make a 750W and a 610W PSU, the choice is yours, but the 750 is obviously more futureproof. They do not have modular cables (the ability to use only the cables you need and unplug and remove from the case the extra cables you don't need) but builders have lived for years putting the extra cables in the extra unused drive bays.

I think for the bang for the buck the GA-P35-DS3L and the Q6600 G0 SLCKR stepping CPU are best. The P version of the mobo does have firewire and raid if you need those but do you really need those?

In the first quarter of 2008 the next generation of intel processors will be out and I think there may be wisdom in building your system around a GA-P350DS3L ($90) and an E2140 ($90) right now, and then in 3 months sell those and buy the Q9300 (penryn replacement for the Q6600) and some as yet unreleased mobo to go with it. If you spend a lot right now on a mobo and a CPU you may have buyer's remorse in 6 months.

If it is in your budget, I have read a lot of review of CPU coolers and the Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme seems to be at the top most if not all of the time. Get a Scythe 120mm fan with it. The only negative I've read is that it is so large (that is a good thing for a CPU cooler) that sometimes it does not fit well in the case or fit well with RAM that have tall heat spreaders.

I've not seen that case on any lists of quiet cases or well ventilated cases. For the same price you could have an Antec 900 which seems to be the most popular at the moment. Too bad you just missed the newegg newsletter special price of $59 for it (expired 12/24/07). It is still a good buy at $79 ($119-$40 MIR) until the end of the year.
December 25, 2007 9:14:12 PM

Hamradio... job well done. I couldnt agree with you more. I didnt catch that the monitor didnt have a DVI out. Odds are though that his video card comes with one. Every video card that i've ever bought came with one but still think I would steer clear of an analog connection.

I'm kinda ignorant with the PSU... in the fact that I really wont consider purchasing anything besides a pc power and cooling. I've read too many favorable reviews out their to go anywhere else... and not to mention you are getting a PSU from a company that specializes in making PSUs. Unlike antec, corsair and ocz.

I agree with the future of 45nm tech. Intel however has delayed the release of 45nm penryn and nehlam due to the "no competition" it may be late next year before we really see them arise. Which makes sense.... why release a product when the stuff that is out now is selling fabulously and still is nowhere near any competition. You are better to get your Q6600 IMO. Just because I really would bet you wont see any Q9*** till later than expected. I would consider however an X38 because that would allow you to get a penryn when they do come out.

I'm very much a fan of the Antec nine hundred. I'm sure you could find a deal out there... try tigerdirect or zipzoomfly. I like thermalright and really am liking lately the zalman's 9700. Both are wise choices.

If push comes to shove though you already have selected good choices.
December 26, 2007 1:05:56 AM

hughyhunter said:
Hamradio... job well done

Thanks, Hughy, I appreciate the compliment :) 

Here is a picture of the outputs of that card:

There top is the TV-out and the bottom are two DVI ports, and on checking further the card does come with a DVI -> D-Sub adapter.

Still, there is the nasty business of losing some definition in the conversion from digital to analog. There are lots of similarly priced monitors with DVI inputs. If it were me I would get a larger monitor with a DVI.

So the penryns are delayed? I'd not read that, I guess I better google it and catch up with the times. :) 
December 26, 2007 1:52:32 AM

Thanks for the info and input guys Im going to use this page to help me with my similar first build...
December 27, 2007 12:15:33 AM

thumbmaster021 said:


I want to be able to overclock the Q6600 to at least 3.0GHz, will this fan do it?


I am at 3.0GHz on the stock cooler with a G0. Temps at in the high 30s. I can go up to 3.6 stable with temps in the high 40s. You should have no problems with that fan.


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