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January 7, 2008 3:44:32 PM

The majority of these Phenom users are very happy judging by these customer reviews. Could it be that evil Intel is paying for negative reviews? Once AMD release the higher clocked Phenoms on the B3 stepping, Intel are in big trouble I believe.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=N...

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP...

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP...

Phenom for Real native Quad Core! AMD4Life!

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January 7, 2008 3:47:25 PM

[:xkm1948] . o O (Evil will always triumph because good is dumb..)
January 7, 2008 3:48:32 PM

Dude, give it up. I'm an AMD fan, but I don't resort to these kinds of things. Most reviews on those sites are going to be positive unless the processor is a completely unstable piece of junk or doesn't work.
January 7, 2008 4:01:28 PM

quoting newegg? thats a pretty low standard.
January 7, 2008 4:02:57 PM

Well, for a budget quad-core system they are working well. I just built a Phenom system last week for some video work and testing. It is running very well.

Specs:
ASUS 690G Motherboard
Phenom 9500
XFX 8800GST 320
2GB of A-DATA DDR2 800
Antec earthwatts 430

At all stock settings with anti-virus going it scored 10k in 3DMark06. I thought that was great for stock settings. The CPU Marks were right near 4000.
January 7, 2008 4:03:05 PM

from a 6000+ to a phenom adds 5000 points to 3dmarko6?
January 7, 2008 4:04:27 PM

thunderman said:
The majority of these Phenom users are very happy judging by these customer reviews. Could it be that evil Intel is paying for negative reviews? Once AMD release the higher clocked Phenoms on the B3 stepping, Intel are in big trouble I believe.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=N...

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP...

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP...

Phenom for Real native Quad Core! AMD4Life!


gee, this seems like unbiased and credible evidence to support the conclusion that AMD is beating Intel and Intel is paying people to go on random online stores to criticize AMD's processors. :sarcastic: 
January 7, 2008 4:07:23 PM

My 3600+ got ~2000 CPU Marks at 2.6Ghz. Phenom is getting ~4000 at 2.2 for me. Same GPU, different motherboard/chipsets though.
January 7, 2008 4:10:32 PM

Anyone who takes shopping site reviews seriously generally gets what they deserve. In this case, inferior, defective tech.
January 7, 2008 4:15:14 PM

Thundy, Thundy, Thundy. As Reagan told Gorbachev... There you go again.

And BTW, I'm now getting concerned about Baron. This is the first day back at work for everyone so I expected to hear some great defence about K10s vast supereority. Where are ya Baron????
January 7, 2008 4:21:35 PM

thunderman said:
Intel are in big trouble I believe.


EPS 1.05
Volume 63,492,016
Avg. Daily Volume 60,421,755
Market Value $133,253,130,000
Shares Outstanding 5,847,000,000

I disagree.
January 7, 2008 4:23:53 PM

And that -4 next to AMD's EPS is not good.

AMD
EPS -4
Volume 16,834,023
Avg. Daily Volume 24,738,265
Market Value $3,477,166,440
Shares Outstanding 554,572,000

More:
Advanced Micro Devices Inc sets a new 52-week low
09:44 a.m. 01/04/2008 Provided By Wall Street On Demand


Advanced Micro Devices Inc crossed below its 52-week low of $6.75 on 9:40 AM ET on January 04, 2008.
January 7, 2008 4:26:43 PM

ImajorI said:
And that -4 next to AMD's EPS is not good.

AMD
EPS -4
Volume 16,834,023
Avg. Daily Volume 24,738,265
Market Value $3,477,166,440
Shares Outstanding 554,572,000


These are just evil lies by the double cheeseburger paid Intel pumper. Do not listen to his evilness!
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January 7, 2008 4:33:38 PM

thunderman said:
The majority of these Phenom users are very happy judging by these customer reviews. Could it be that evil Intel is paying for negative reviews? Once AMD release the higher clocked Phenoms on the B3 stepping, Intel are in big trouble I believe.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=N...

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP...

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP...

Phenom for Real native Quad Core! AMD4Life!


While I take user reviews like these with a grain of salt, the initial reports about the TLB bug and Phenom's poor performance is, like most things in this forum, overhyped and blown out of proportion. And, as with most things, the truth comes out in time. I for one am not surprised that the majority of Phenom owners who are not into virtualization are having a positive experience with a noticeable performance increase over previous gen AM2 procs.

The Intel fanboys can chirp and cluck all they want, but less than $200USD for a quad core is hard for any real enthusiast to not look twice.

[b said:
tlmck wrote: Anyone who takes shopping site reviews seriously generally gets what they deserve. In this case, inferior, defective tech.]tlmck wrote: Anyone who takes shopping site reviews seriously generally gets what they deserve. In this case, inferior, defective tech.
[/b]Spoken like a genuine troll.
January 7, 2008 4:41:48 PM

The biggest question is "Who is buying mainstrean computers and how many are sold?" NOT so much who is buying high end computers. Mainstream is where the bulk of the money is made, just like in video cards. Yes I understand how owning the High-end supports sales in the middle but the middle is more price concious, even $50 can make or break a sale easily.
January 7, 2008 4:42:56 PM

Ahh yes, lets read some of those reviews, shall we?

Mr BLunTeD gave a five star rating
Quote:
Reviewed by: BLunTeD

i cant wait to get my hands on one of these badboys!!!


Amazing! Mr AMD4Ever has had his Phenom for over 1 whole year!!

Quote:

AMD4EVER
Tech Level: high
Ownership: more than 1 year 11/22/2007 5:36:05 AM The Smarter Choice

Pros: Can't decide to get it? Stop thinking and click the add to cart.

Cons: You reading not buying...

Other Thoughts: This CPU is going to play the defensive role against intel. While it can't beat intel's best in brute power, it still is a great solution. And with AMD new 7 series chipset upgrading won't be a problem when new better Phenom's come out in the near future.


Hmmm, Mr BlackPanther gave fives stars while noting a "bug with this CPU"....doesnt mention actually owning one though....interesting
Quote:

BlackPanther
bug with this CPU

Pros: it's a Native Quad-Core from AMD.

Cons: Wait for AMD to get rid of the CPU bug known as an Errata.

Other Thoughts: You can get this CPU becuase of the fact that the bug is not noticed under 2.4GHz. That is why AMD pushed back the 9700 to January. You can use this CPU for what it was meant for if you don't Overclock it.



Tim from NJ doesnt own his yet, but gave it 5 stars anyway
Quote:

Tim from NJ
Tech Level: somewhat high
Ownership: less than 1 day 11/24/2007 7:11:23 AM Anyone else scratching their heads?


Pros: AMD is a lot better than Intel first off even if "speeds" are different. I work in wireless and believe me, lab tests are never correct.

Cons: None. I am picking one up in a couple weeks. Can't wait though I am dissapointed (read my other thoughts).

Other Thoughts: My other thoughts are simple. Last year I first heard about the Quad FX platform and was excited that you could use the same socket when the quad-cores came out. Then I look on AMD's website and find that the new Phenom is AM2+ instead of 1207FX socket. Anyone else disappointed in this decision?


Serge84, calling Serge84, do you or do you not own one? Hmmm, well this clearly isnt a review of something he owns, but he gave it 5 stars just for good measure.
Quote:

Serge84
Tech Level: high
Ownership: less than 1 day 11/24/2007 10:18:43 PM AMD announced


Pros: AMD is dealing with the issue with a bios update for the overclocking bug. After that update nobody will have any OCing issues.

Cons: n/a


Hmmmm, dont see Mr "We Stand by AMD" actually talking about a product he owns, but that dosnt syop him from giving it 5 stars anyway
Quote:

We Stand by AMD
Tech Level: high
Ownership: 1 day to 1 week 11/25/2007 3:04:22 PM It's all about AMD!!!


Pros: Lets put this into perspective: Does Windows operating systems taking full advantage of quad core processing? of course not. Heck, we are still using 32-bit code after decades!!!

Cons: Intel :( 

Other Thoughts: Do you remember AMD's first breakthrough processor? It was the 133 SX or how about AMD's fist 200MHZ CPU or how about the first 500MHZ Anthon or how about the first process ever to hit 1G? My point is this - if you are reading this chances you are an AMD fan. People Who buy AMD love the company and the product. It’s a good balance between performance and price, do the right thing and buy the processor.


Well, ol' Jay5435 wasnt giving a review of a product he owns, just responding to BlackPanther, but he gave it 5 stars anyway
Quote:

Jay5435
Tech Level: average
Ownership: 1 day to 1 week 11/25/2007 3:02:59 PM To Black Panther


Pros: N/A

Cons: N/A

Other Thoughts: Panther, it is true that AMD's Quad's that were clocked at 2.4GHZ stock and above will be pushed back due to the errata. Although, if you read correctly as to what AMd said to the press, they said that the lower clocked models like this one will be able to overclock passed 2.4GHZ WITHOUT a problem. The only thing that they need to do is update their BIOS as soon as they install the their new Phenom. This bug does NOT exsist in this model, even with overclocking.


alex clearly owns one -----NOT, but hey, while asking a question, why not throw in a five star rating for good measure
Quote:

alex
Tech Level: somewhat high
Ownership: less than 1 day 11/26/2007 10:55:09 PM


Pros: -

Cons: -

Other Thoughts: could the next person to review this please post what the windows experience index subscore is? thanks.



OK, at this point, Im bored reading through the non reviews from non owner corporate Phanboys.
Of 82 people who gave 5 star reviews, 49 were not verifed as having purchased the product. Of those 33 who were verified ownership (they actually bought the product from newegg) , ownership times were:
less than one day: 6
one day to one week: 13
one week to one month 13
one month to one year 1

The negative reviews are mostly from Intel phanboy non owners

9 inch, you're treading the misreprestation line again. You dont care, but dont be suprised when I fix your problem. This post, like your others is phanboy-flame crap. I dont normally care, as its fun to watch you present bogus data and get mercilessly pwned regardless of who you may or may not be shilling for, but this one misrepresents-misrepresented opinions. Im not anywhere near as forgiving or patient as Jake is....so stick to your Intel is evil schtick, and your out of date or incomplete information you willl have to find a new proxy.

turpit
January 7, 2008 4:54:30 PM

Thunderman,
Thunderman,
Does whatever a blunder can.
Spins a fib, any size.
Catches newbs in his lies.
Lookout! Here comes the Thunderman!
January 7, 2008 5:00:02 PM

The only thing wrong with the Phenom is it's not better than Intel's quad.

It's priced well though so if you need quad core it's a good deal.

At least until Intel's 45nm low range quads come out, then it's going to be a hard sell for AMD without cutting prices even more...
January 7, 2008 5:03:53 PM

SMU_Pony said:
Thunderman,
Thunderman,
Does whatever a blunder can.
Spins a fib, any size.
Catches newbs in his lies.
Lookout! Here comes the Thunderman!


LOL
January 7, 2008 5:05:59 PM

turpit said:

9 inch, you're treading the misreprestation line again. You dont care, but dont be suprised when I fix your problem. This post, like your others is phanboy-flame crap. I dont normally care, as its fun to watch you present bogus data and get mercilessly pwned regardless of who you may or may not be shilling for, but this one misrepresents-misrepresented opinions. Im not anywhere near as forgiving or patient as Jake is....so stick to your Intel is evil schtick, and your out of date or incomplete information you willl have to find a new proxy.

turpit


So now we know who Thunderman is, at least those of us who have been around long enough to remember 9 inch.
January 7, 2008 5:13:10 PM

Thunderman et al = High traffic, entertaining thread OP's.
chunkymonster = level headed response, imo
January 7, 2008 5:18:55 PM

just by reading the way thunderman types, he is clearly shakirou...
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January 7, 2008 5:22:13 PM

SMU_Pony said:
Thunderman,
Thunderman,
Does whatever a blunder can.
Spins a fib, any size.
Catches newbs in his lies.
Lookout! Here comes the Thunderman!


:lol:  :lol:  :lol: 
January 7, 2008 5:27:09 PM

I dunno who 9inch even is? lol

When AMD release the supposed Black edition Phenom, It will wipe the floor of Intel Extreme Edition Quads. Both have unlocked multi-pliers ......one will be a fraction of the cost.

AMD4Life
January 7, 2008 5:32:00 PM

sailer said:
So now we know who Thunderman is, at least those of us who have been around long enough to remember 9 inch.


yep, exact same style

posts a controversial comment and uses an unreliable / questionable source to "prove" his statements

then leaves, watches the havoc

will probably come back later after things have cooled down to stir things back up again, will probably to reply to only one or two of the posts and use flawed logic, set up a strawman argument or similar tactics to defend his stance. He'll probably fall back on "Intel can't do native quad core" or "Intel is an evil corporate giant".

then he abandons the thread and sets up a new one in a matter of days.

Edit: speak of the devil

thunderman said:

When AMD release the supposed Black edition Phenom, It will wipe the floor of Intel Extreme Edition Quads. Both have unlocked multi-pliers ......one will be a fraction of the cost.


cuz unlocked multipliers are totally relevant to the current conversation. Phenom BE will have unlocked multipliers, these unlocked multipliers are the sole reason why the BE can beat Intels EE processors which also have unlocked multipliers.... wait....
January 7, 2008 5:41:11 PM

I wrote my own review of the 9600 on newegg after getting one for a 1p server at work, it reads...

rated 5/5

/quote
ragemonkey
Tech Level: high
Ownership: 1 week to 1 month 12/28/2007 7:13:42 PM Much Maligned but works great


Pros: Drop in replacement for a 1p server with an Opteron 1216. Big difference noticed over the opty in overall repsonse in Server 2K3. Runs great, dropped right in the M2N32-SLI board with the BIOS update. This chip really woke up my server. I highly recommend it if you have a AM2 mobo that can support Phenom with a BIOS update. The opty would bog down on occasion under heavy load but this chip just rocks.

Cons: The stock HSF is dog poop. I guess AMD had to cut somewhere. They need to bundle the stock HSF for the 6000 or Optys with this chip -- the 4-heat-piped one. I used the HSF off my opty 1216 and the temps are great now. So be advised... with the stock HSF this chip will run HOT even in a well ventillated case

Other Thoughts: TLB... yeah yeah yeah. This chip has been 100% stable running 24/7 since it was installed. Much Maligned Phenom is but this chip works great. Besides, the TLB bug has hardly been reproduced outside of lab environments and only occurs in certain Virtualization-type situations. However, if you own a 6000 or a 6400BE I would say wait until the clocks go higher or they release the 9600BE, as you won't notice a difference... and unless you do encoding or run it on a server, you probably won't anyway.

/quote
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January 7, 2008 5:53:27 PM

thunderman said:
The majority of these Phenom users are very happy judging by these customer reviews. Could it be that evil Intel is paying for negative reviews? Once AMD release the higher clocked Phenoms on the B3 stepping, Intel are in big trouble I believe.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=N...

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP...

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP...

Phenom for Real native Quad Core! AMD4Life!


DELETED, give it a rest.

Your posts are not adding any value to this forum.
January 7, 2008 5:58:51 PM

thunderman said:
Could it be that evil Intel is paying for negative reviews?


You're one of the ones who watch Fox News aren't you?
January 7, 2008 6:17:18 PM

Maybe someone at NewEgg is listening... I think NewEgg (after you place an order) should send the buyer a special link that allows that person to post a review for every product they purchased on that order AND NOTHING ELSE! Perhaps even delay this email by a week so the buyer will have received the order. After reading some of the negative posts on some of their products, I can't help but think it's by people that don't even own it. Surely it wouldn't be THAT hard to do... and it would give a little bit of credibility to the reviews. Happy with your purchase? Your vote counts... unhappy with a product you didn't buy? STFU... I don't want to hear it.
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January 7, 2008 6:20:51 PM

This will likely be my only post to this thread, if you guys insist on the personal attacks.

First, never post user reviews as proof of something. These are the same dumb users that plug in a molex and SATA power plug to one harddrive. The same dumb users that complain of overheating CPUs with improperly attached HSF. The same dumb users that allow their computers to join botnets. etc. As Turpit pointed out, some/many of these guys don't have them. Citing user reviews is like citing wiki, it shouldn't be done.

Second, while he might not have cited a good source, there are some out there that show what he's claiming. Take a look at this.

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/618/1/

Quote:
Over the past couple weeks AMD has made some strides when it comes to the TLB erratum, which to be honest should not be as big of a deal as many make it out to be. Legit Reviews has a number of staff members with Phenom systems and not one has encountered erratum number 298. After over a month of performance testing and use not one blue screen of death or crash has been seen that wasn't related to overclocking.


If you are concerned about and want to patch your computer so this doesn't effect you, they then go on in the next page to use the new overdrive utility to benchmark with the patch on or off. Gaming takes one of the biggest hits with an ~11% drop in performance. If what they said about the problem is true however, you can leave the patch off without much to worry about.

So why would anyone want one of these? How about a quad core CPU for <$200?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

January 7, 2008 6:28:11 PM

Grimmy said:
[:xkm1948] . o O (Evil will always triumph because good is dumb..)



spaceballs?
January 7, 2008 6:28:49 PM

You can run from your proxy but you can't hide. Great work Turpit!

You too SMU Pony. Big thumbs up!
January 7, 2008 6:47:21 PM

thunderman said:
The majority of these Phenom users are very happy judging by these customer reviews.


so are most female pigs. a woman friend told me
female pigs can have 30 minute orgasms. i didn't
look it up; i'll take her word for it.

thunderman said:
Could it be that evil Intel is paying for negative reviews?


this time around, Intel doesn't need to pay for negative reviews.
the Phenom is an OK chip, would probably be a step up from my
Opteron 175.

but, it's competing poorly with an 80 watt Quad Core Q9450.
(thinking it consumes about as much power as the Harpertown)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OH WOW, they're actually in stock now ! ! !

to sell Phenom's, AMD will have to lower the price & count on
potential customers to not think about their electricity bills too
much.

until the next design iteration.
January 7, 2008 6:54:28 PM

Typical happy Phenom user:

January 7, 2008 7:20:40 PM

uk_gangsta said:
..................DELETED ^^^^ you sound it...........


Maybe he is and maybe he isn't, but judging by your contribution and well-thought out screenname I'd say it takes one to know one, eh old chap? If you don't have something meaningful to post, refrain from doing so.

Of course, I suppose a thread as ridiculously concieved as this one was simply destined to become nothing more than a party. Can we get a delete here?
January 7, 2008 7:29:24 PM

Any thread that has been started by the OP is "simply destined to become nothing more than a party". So let's party! Free beer to all hapy Phenom users! Hmm... looks like I'll have plenty of beer left over to take home! :) 
January 7, 2008 7:51:48 PM

I'm not for intel or AMD, however I am for good prices and a quad core chip for $185 is a pretty damn good price. The Q6600 is $100 more even though it is better. It depends on your budget. If I were to build a quad core system on a budget, I'd go with AMD. If money were no object, I'd grab the intel or wait for the new 45 nm quads.
January 7, 2008 8:14:42 PM

These trolls are paid by AMD or by any other sponsor by the view or by the reply.

Don't feed the troll - you'll only make it worse for yourselves.
January 7, 2008 8:28:08 PM

I all about the bang for buck, right now, a phenom as a drop in replacemnt is good if i can overclock it to at leat 2.5 ghz, but the intel 8200@2.66ghz and 8400 @3ghz sound really good for 163 and 183 dollars so amd had better drop prices soon.
January 7, 2008 8:28:28 PM

The_Abyss said:
These trolls are paid by AMD or by any other sponsor by the view or by the reply.

Don't feed the troll - you'll only make it worse for yourselves.


Tsk Tsk Tsk, what fun is it to go to the petting zoo and not feed the trolls? :kaola: 
January 7, 2008 8:34:11 PM

9 Inch aka Thunderman, in which it shoud be Thunderflop is a hit and run artist nd a AMD schill. It's a good thing Jumpin Jack isn't here to see it right now.

R Collins


I'm just running a Q6600 at stock on a Asus P5N32-E SLI with 4 gig of ddr2 800 with 4 80 gig raptors and a 8800gt, Xfi Platinum, all under the control of Windows Vista Ultimate 32 bit.
January 7, 2008 8:42:16 PM

amd fantics too happy to relize how slow there system is!

really at the price the amd quad core chips are not too bad - i am even going to get one.
January 7, 2008 8:43:32 PM

rodney_ws said:
Maybe someone at NewEgg is listening... I think NewEgg (after you place an order) should send the buyer a special link that allows that person to post a review for every product they purchased on that order AND NOTHING ELSE! Perhaps even delay this email by a week so the buyer will have received the order. After reading some of the negative posts on some of their products, I can't help but think it's by people that don't even own it. Surely it wouldn't be THAT hard to do... and it would give a little bit of credibility to the reviews. Happy with your purchase? Your vote counts... unhappy with a product you didn't buy? STFU... I don't want to hear it.


Look for the reviews that have blue text stating whether they bought it or not.
It will say it above each review.


January 7, 2008 8:47:37 PM

I agree with Rodney. NewEgg should only allow people who purchased products to review them.
January 7, 2008 8:54:21 PM

I miss Jack's posts.
January 7, 2008 9:08:02 PM

lol......I love Thundermans threads.

Give me good entertainment when I'm bored.
January 7, 2008 9:23:21 PM

fanboy central
January 7, 2008 9:32:17 PM

ImajorI said:
I miss Jack's posts.


What happened to baron, he get banned or something?
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