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January 4, 2008 11:20:24 PM

Browsing about NewEgg (I seem to live there these days...), and after selecting my new Antec earthwatts 380W PSU, my card budget is now extremely limited.

Thus, I find myself looking at this card, suggested to me by no fewer than three people:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150185

It's very shiny, very black, and has GDDR3 memory.

Further investigation, however, reveals this card:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131074

It's not so shiny, has a chick with wingy thingies on it, and also has GDDR3 memory.

My question to you is: why the price difference? Does PowerColor suck or something? Would I be paying for something extra with the XFX card (quality, tech support, shininess)? Or is there some performance difference in there that the spec sheet isn't showing me?

(Please don't come in here and say 'omg both those cards suck get x card'. I'm working with what I have here. If I didn't have to buy a PSU I'd have gotten a 7800GT or something similar. My goal right now is to get my GPU off the motherboard and onto a card somewhere else.)

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January 4, 2008 11:39:13 PM

Oh wow free shipping. Thank you for showing me that.

Also, I can get a DX10 card later when there's actually a DX10 game I want to play. Right now I want that blasted GPU off my motherboard.
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January 4, 2008 11:40:15 PM

IMO it's not worth it to get anything below a 3850 because $80 for a 7600GT is a HORRIBLE Price/Perf. With a 3850 at around $170 you're looking at over 3x the performance.
January 4, 2008 11:43:39 PM

That's all well and good, but it's also amazingly out of my price range.

Again: extremely poor.
a b U Graphics card
January 4, 2008 11:45:11 PM

Save some money and wait for the 9xxx to come out.
January 4, 2008 11:49:40 PM

I'll pass on that...a GeForce 9800 (if that's what you mean) would require another PSU with a fusion reactor that I'd have to buy.

I'm not asking for much here, this is the first video card I've ever bought. If it outperforms the 6150SE in the motherboard, I'm more than happy.
a b U Graphics card
January 5, 2008 12:02:09 AM

You are paying for name and warranty, get the powercolor. Don't forget to disable onboard video after uninstalling its drivers. Enjoy :) 

EDIT: Maybe tech support too, I've never used tech support for either, and after experiences with tech support for other companies, I don't think there is such thing as tech support, only tech idiots. No offense to those who actually know about the products they sell.
January 5, 2008 12:06:00 AM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I would go with this one.
It's a couple dollars less before rebate and though the price is a couple dollars higher after rebate, it has the free shipping to keep it cheaper.

EVGA is also a great company.
The 7600GT will be just fine for many folks depending on what you want to play and the resolution you want to play at.
a b U Graphics card
January 5, 2008 12:08:49 AM

The 7600 gt tends to score a little better, if you actually care about the performance and not just what they look like.

He was talking about the upcoming 9600 mid-range card they just announced. It'll be out of your price range too.
January 5, 2008 12:28:40 AM

Both of the cards I listed (and that one aznstriker showed me, thank you) are comfortably within budget...

I just like the 7600GT better. Yes, shiny is my weak point, and the XFX (and EVGA to a lesser extent) hits it for massive damage.

Okay, selection made. I may be an idiot...but...that XFX matches my case. Killed by the shiny again...

Also, I have a special place in my heart for nVidia GPUs...they've treated me well even when I haven't been too nice to them (my old PC had a TNT2 M64. I know...I'm a sentimental igit).

Anyway, thanks for entertaining my questions so far and being so nice and helpful.

Edit: Yeah, I saw that Radeon card too...let me guess, it destroys both the 7600GTs? Siiiiigh...
a b U Graphics card
January 5, 2008 12:35:25 AM

Depends on the game. The 7600GT often pulls ahead by a few FPS, but yea... depends on the game. Speaking of which, what do you intend to play?

EDIT: What is your max budget too? It may be worth it to pay a bit more, but that's up to you.
January 5, 2008 12:46:11 AM

Well, after the rebate from the Antec PSU, and minus shipping, exactly $92.17.

As for games, nothing that's DX10 right now. I wanna get Flight Simulator X and CnC 3. The rest of my current games run okay, but the 6150 whines at high settings.
a b U Graphics card
January 5, 2008 12:52:10 AM

FSX will kill any card on high settings. I'd say stick with the 7600GT if you don't intend to play DX10 games for a while. If you want DX10, go for a HD3870 or 8800GT coz everything else will crumble :lol:  *Beats Bill Gates with a stick for creating DX10*
January 5, 2008 12:58:56 AM

Yes, because we needed another DX version soooo badly.

DX9 is working just fine for me right now, so take that, Evil Corporate Establishment!

...wow that XFX card looks good. *admires*

a b U Graphics card
January 5, 2008 2:18:38 AM

The 7600GT is still a great card for under a $100. The only downside to it is it doesn't support DX10. Either way, nice choice, Caledo.

PS: My card looks way better than yours, randomizer:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx?CurImage=1...

(This system is strictly used to check email and download porn. So I don't want any comments how crappy a FX5200 is.
January 5, 2008 2:19:32 AM

I would go with the evga 7600gt. For $80 bucks its a good deal. As long as you don't play to game at a hight resolution you will be able to run most games at max settings. Stay with a 1024x768 or 1280x1024 resolution and you will be fine for most games.
January 5, 2008 2:39:38 AM

My monitor won't go over 1280x1024, so no problems there...

And that FX5200 is REALLY blue.
January 5, 2008 2:44:31 AM

runswindows95 said:
The 7600GT is still a great card for under a $100. The only downside to it is it doesn't support DX10. Either way, nice choice, Caledo.

PS: My card looks way better than yours, randomizer:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx?CurImage=1...

(This system is strictly used to check email and download porn. So I don't want any comments how crappy a FX5200 is.


Lol, an FX5200. Haha.

JK.

And my card looks better than all. I know it isn't typically, a best buy, but for a step-up from a GTS 640, it is. So please, don't mention it.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I would also go for 7600GT. Very good card, especially in FSX, where it beats an HD3850 at 1280x1024.

http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html?modelx=33&model1=734&model2=716&chart=291
January 5, 2008 2:49:33 AM

I've found I don't like cards with so much card armor...I like the lightly armored cards, like XFX and Sapphire make.
January 5, 2008 3:54:41 AM

And also just out of the reach of my budget...

I think I'll do well enough with the 7600GT, but if it ever breaks I'm probably going to switch it out with that 2600XT.

Right now though, it's just out of my reach.
January 5, 2008 5:01:01 AM

Caledo said:
And also just out of the reach of my budget...

I think I'll do well enough with the 7600GT, but if it ever breaks I'm probably going to switch it out with that 2600XT.

Right now though, it's just out of my reach.

Over-budget? $85.00 after rebate-free shipping
randomizer
"What is your max budget too? It may be worth it to pay a bit more, but that's up to you."

Caledo
"Well, after the rebate from the Antec PSU, and minus shipping, exactly $92.17."

Best of luck to you
a b U Graphics card
January 5, 2008 5:27:24 AM

I have the XFX 7600gt and find it to be a great card. It replaced my second EVGA 7600gt which had a noisy fan just like the first one.

I have used the XFX in Windows XP briefly, and now in Vista Home Basic. I play DX10 capable games in DX9 mode and am very satisfied. I to am limited to 1280x1024. I drop to 800x600 for Crysis, but it works for me.

Vista also gives it a 5.9 for Aero if you ever go that direction.
a b U Graphics card
January 5, 2008 6:25:51 AM

I'd take an X1650XT over a 7600GT for the same price assuming your power supply is not an issue. The X1650XT beats it quite often in newer games. The whole GF7 series has stepped down a notch in my eyes as take games like Oblivion, COD4, Crysis, UT3, Orange Box, etc. they fall behind their normal competitors.

With the earthwatts 380W you should be fine, but I'd side for safety with the 7600GT which definatelty uses less power. It's close enough and would trade blows with the X1650XT. Just think the Radeon is the better performer recently.

edit: a few examples
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3128&p=4
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3122&p=3
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_geforce_8600...


January 5, 2008 5:45:14 PM

8500GT=1/2(7600GT)

No, the 8500GT sucks. Just sucks. It has half the fill rate of the 7600GT, and I have to turn graphics settings down lower to achieve playable frame rates with it, an E6750 and 4GB RAM, than my 7600GT, single core 3200+, and 2GB ram. The 8500GT is the biggest joke ever created.
January 5, 2008 6:00:00 PM

I think I'm going to go with (one of those) 7600GTs.

Now, next question: will my new Antec power the thing? It's got two +12V rails with (according to Antec's own specsheet) 17A and 15A output. Using the eXtreme PSU calculator and inserting the 7600GT yields 213W at 90% load for all components, so I should be just fine.

And I hope that thing fits in my stock SR5123WM case...

Edit: Or, given the lower wattage, would my HiPro 250W stock piece be able to handle it, given 14A off the +12V, 25A off the +5V, and 18A off the +3.3V? Or should I just not push it?
a b U Graphics card
January 5, 2008 6:34:56 PM

Your Antec will be fine. I ran my 7600gt on an older SmartPower 350 for about six months before getting the newer 500w modular Antec. I needed the 350 to use in an older machine.

Your Earthwatts has even better 12v amperage than my old one. The Earthwatts are very good, no frills PSU's.
January 5, 2008 6:41:22 PM

I'd get rid of the stock, lame brand and very weak +12v, I'd go for the Antec.
a b U Graphics card
January 5, 2008 6:42:24 PM

The earthwatts 380w has a combine 27 amp for the 12v; it will be fine for a 7600GT. It really should power the X1650XT too although my his iceQ X1650XT does state 450W with 30 amp 12v on the box (seems overkill).

Nothing against the 7600GT if priced right, but for just a few bucks more the HD2600XT or 8600GT (for NV) is alot better. Well worth $15 more IMO. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E....
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

a c 130 U Graphics card
January 5, 2008 7:19:44 PM

To pauldh
That psu will run it no worries i have one on a generic 400watt psu 18Amps been fine for about 8 months now.

To Caledo
Whats the rest of your system ? i have this bad feeling that you are going to pair a 7600GT with a Q6600 or some such mad processor please say it isnt so.
Mactronix :) 
January 5, 2008 7:34:21 PM

No, no, just an Athlon X2 4000+, two GB sticks of PC2-5300 DDR2, an SATA HDD, a DVD/CD writer and wireless adapter.

I may be able to twist my budget a little, but I still like the 7600GT...
a b U Graphics card
January 5, 2008 7:37:42 PM

mactronix said:
To pauldh
That psu will run it no worries i have one on a generic 400watt psu 18Amps been fine for about 8 months now.

To Caledo
Whats the rest of your system ? i have this bad feeling that you are going to pair a 7600GT with a Q6600 or some such mad processor please say it isnt so.
Mactronix :) 


this is his system taken from his profile

AMD Athlon 64 X2 4000+ 2.1 GHz
2 GB (2x 1 GB) 240-pin DDR2 PC2-5300 RAM
SATA II 320 GB HDD (3.0 Gb/sec)
GeForce 6150SE/nForce 430

Caledo beat me to it.


January 5, 2008 7:43:44 PM

I originally wanted a 2600XT, but was told it requires a fusion reactor to run. Could the Antec handle it?
a c 130 U Graphics card
January 5, 2008 7:48:58 PM

Crickey a profile that works and has info in it. :ouch:  I had given up looking !
Anyway thanks and Caledo i would seriously think about the X1650XT like pauldh is sugesting i have one and they are good cards.
mactronix
January 5, 2008 8:04:00 PM

My roomate bought/uses the XFX 7600. It is quite powerful (compared to onboard), and also has a lifetime warranty, as long as you register it in time.
January 5, 2008 8:04:07 PM

You are kind of whizzing money into the wind because you could buy something that's "good" and not have to repurchase more stuff sooner down the road which would end up being more expensive. I hope that doesn't sound rude but I think that's what people are trying to get at here. Either way for that money that you have and the total disregard for DX10, I'd probably get the 7600GT. For an underdog card, it DOES hold it's own.

If you're really tight on cash just get a board game. Needs no electricity, has few peripherals, and the graphics are SO 3D and interactive.
January 5, 2008 8:05:01 PM

The 7600GT is **** in today's market - spend some more money for significantly more performance.
January 5, 2008 8:05:23 PM

Caledo said:
I originally wanted a 2600XT, but was told it requires a fusion reactor to run. Could the Antec handle it?

Either you don't want advice or your -xxx- everybody around. Google can be your friend.
7600GT = 36w
2600XT = 49w
http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/forums.asp?s=2&c=7&t=9354

If you have 20-22amps the XT
If not get the GT
January 5, 2008 8:27:40 PM

Wow, that's pretty harsh.

I just want the stupid GPU off the stupid motherboard. I don't want an 8800 Ultra so I can take over Eastern Europe. I just want a card that's better than a 6150SE and I'll build my own machine later, alright.

People keep throwing different wattage numbers at me and I don't know who to believe.
January 5, 2008 8:41:50 PM

Just off the top of my head I think the X1650XT is more powerful, good luck with the low end cards, 7600GT did me justice in its few years of service.
January 5, 2008 8:52:45 PM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This one.

80$ after rebate, free shipping and you should be able to overclock to or near GTS speeds (as a matter of fact the gts is just an overclocked gt ).

EVGA's waranty covers overclocking so no need to fear frying the card Plus you can step up if you get your hands on more $$.

I'm actually considering getting this myself for a low budget build.
January 5, 2008 9:09:51 PM

If you can stretch your budget to get an 8600GT or 2600XT, go for it. Otherwise, the X1650XT is slightly faster than a 7600GT - not much, but it is. If you want to sacrifice shinyness over performance, that's your call.
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