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December 28, 2007 7:49:07 PM

I am planning on building my new system and was wondering what people's thoughts were before I pull the trigger on components. Any advice would be greatly appreciated (missing items, cost effective upgrades etc...), especially what cpu cooler to go with that I won't have to modify to fit in the board. Both would be getting purchased from Newegg.

System 1:
APEVIA X-CRUISER-Mid Tower Computer Case
ASUS P5N32-E SLI LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard
EVGA 512 GeForce 8800GT Superclocked 512MB x2
Rosewill RX850-S-B ATX12V v2.2 & EPS12V v2.91 850W Power Supply
Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 Conroe 3.0GHz
CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB)
Western Digital Caviar SE WD5000AAJS 500GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
Pioneer Black 20X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 10X DVD+R DL 20X DVD Burner
$1451

System 2:
APEVIA X-CRUISER-Mid Tower Computer Case
ASUS P5E LGA 775 Intel X38 ATX Intel Motherboard
SAPPHIRE 100215L Radeon HD 3870 x2
Rosewill RX850-S-B ATX12V v2.2 & EPS12V v2.91 850W Power Supply
Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 Conroe 3.0GHz
CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB)
Western Digital Caviar SE WD5000AAJS 500GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
Pioneer Black 20X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 10X DVD+R DL 20X DVD Burner
1403

I already have a 22in widescreen monitor, keyboard, and mouse.
My main use will be gaming, then video and rarely photoshop.

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December 28, 2007 11:34:56 PM

First dump the PSU and get a good one, I'd go with a Tier II
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=10...

You could save goint with the 6750 and not take a noticeable performance it. I'd get a P35 rather than an X38, the reviews of the X38 say you're probably just as well off with the P35. Either the Gigabyte DS3L or the ASUS P5K-E, has 3 PCI slots and onboard firewire. But given you want to run Crossfire, the X38 would be better. Overall likes good
December 29, 2007 12:52:19 AM

Thanks for that link its a great help! I'll have to check out the 6750's numbers.

What about a q6600 with GO stepping overclocked thrown into either of those configs. The more research I'm doing the more options keep popping up as viable ideas for roughly the same price point.

I want a mobo I'm not going to have to upgrade in a few years hence the x38 idea, but the Crossfire only on those is killing me. I currently have an ATI card and it is OK but the 2 8800gt's (Or maybe just one of the big ones) seem to be the way to go.
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December 29, 2007 12:00:06 PM

The best Q6600 overclock is still P35.

X38 would be the mobo that lasts a while. At least until Q2 2008. I think there's a new cpu socket coming out from Intel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nehalem_%28CPU_architectur...

Since every existing chipset will be obsolete by end of 2008 (AMD will have AM3), you should get something affordable & upgrade the cpu & mobo & maybe the ram (DDR3) when it comes time. Hence, most everyone here would recommend P35.
December 29, 2007 7:32:14 PM

OK here is what I am thinking about now after all the great tips. Let me know what you guys think about the changes.

Power Supply: OCZ EvoStream 720W
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E1681...
$145 after MIR

Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E1681...
$100

Case: Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E1681...
$80 after MIR

Video Card: EVGA GeForce 8800GTS (G92) 512MB
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E1681...
$340 after MIR

Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 G0 Stepping
http://www.clubit.com/product_detail.cfm?itemno=A193845...
$278

RAM: OCZ Platinum 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500)
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E1682...
$90 after MIR

Hard Drive: SAMSUNG SpinPoint T Series 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E1682...
$110

CPU Cooler: ZALMAN 9500A 92mm 2 Ball CPU Cooler - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E1683...
$49

DVD: Pioneer Black 20X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 10X DVD+R DL
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E1682...
$30

Total after some thermal grease is: $1335 before rebates $1220 after if my quick adding is close.

I went with the 8800GTS over the GT for a couple of reasons. First its in stock. Second, after you take into account the free game I wanted anyway its not that much of a price increase over the 8800GT with a bit more power since this setup has only the 1 card solution. Finally, even though I'm currently running ATI (wife got it for me last year), I'm really a Nvidia fan.

I do have a concern with the q6600 because it would be my first attempt at real overclocking, and from what I've read the dual cores are better for gaming. Now my question here is if the quad is OC'ed to say 3.0 wouldn't it then in theory be better than a dual core of the same speed for the same price?

Current problem with this setup is the OCZ ram is out of stock!

Any other tweaking or recommendations on other parts?
December 29, 2007 9:15:36 PM

The EvoStream is good but not top quality and it's overkill for your system. Save $27 and get this PSU:

PC Power & Cooling Silencer 610W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703005

Now take the $27 you just saved and upgrade from GA-P35-DS3L to GA-P35-DS3R. For your $27 you get two more SATA cables (worth $18 or whatever), ability to do RAID, 8 SATA ports instead of 4, newer onboard audio, improved cooling.

Replace the IDE burner with something SATA. Samsung SH-S203B or Asus DRW-1814BLT or LG GSA-H62N. It won't make a speed difference but a narrower cable helps cooling.

I'd also replace the Zalman cooler with an Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro or a Scythe Ninja or a Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme+SFF21F combo. It depends on how much you want to overclock. The stock cooler will be fine for mild overclocks (or no overclock at all), the Freezer too but also quieter, the Ninja will let you push further, the Ultra is the best but expensive.
December 30, 2007 11:26:39 AM

I agree gts512 is the way to go if it costs about the same as gt512. And if you have looked the the benchmarks, you won't go back to gt512.

I think you already know the answer to the cpu question. I agree with above that you should get another cpu cooler. The zalman at stock is quiet, but at full lod it's loud.
January 9, 2008 2:16:15 PM

Sorry it took so long to reply things got crazy busy around here with College Bowl Season (OSU your killing me! Oh well, go BUCKS!).

I did however manage to put in the order and got all the parts yesterday and put everything together. I would again like to thank everyone for the great advice.

My final build was:
Coolermaster Stacker 830
q6600
ninja mini cpu heatsink and fan
evga 8800gt superclocked
2 gig ocz platinum 800
gigabyte GA-P35-DS3R rev 2.1
ocz gamextreme (or something close to that) power supply 700w
Samsung SH-S203B DVD burner
SAMSUNG SpinPoint T Series 500GB HD
2 120mm Scythe fans
1 92 mm Scythe fan (to place on the heatsink and repace the 80mm)

Some concessions (and going off on my own after some more research) needed to be made due to parts not being availiable and cost limitations. When I put together the wish list about 1/2 of the parts were out of stock. Well I came home from working the second job on the 30th and my email was full of the alerts that parts were in so I impulsively sprung into action. The only one I couldn't get was the Thermalright ultra 120 so I went with the Ninja. Speaking of the Ninja...Mini? WHAT?! That thing is as big as my fist! The CM Stacker 830 was sort of an impulse buy when the antec 900 I was looking at lost its MIR and its price jumped back up. I didn't quite see that word FULL next to tower for the Stacker until after I placed the order, but I am quite happy with it anyway. Especially after seeing the size of the Ninja "mini". I was going to get the 8800gts but flip-flopped about a hundred times and decided on the 8800gt, but the only one availiable was the EVGA superclocked one. From what I read the price differance wouldn't result in a comparative increase in graphics, something like 50$ for 5 more FPS (on average) for the GTS. The OCZ 800 was cheap after a MIR and rated very highly, while the 1066 speeds people seemed to have a lot of trouble with for not too much gain.

So now the big question... How did I do?

I'm pretty new at system building. My experience is limited to watching and learning as a buddy put together my last system about 8 years ago and then doing a couple of hardware upgrades over the years. So I have a couple of questions which I posted in a new thread. I didn't want to double post. Any help on these issues would be greatly appreciated.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/247942-31-some-questi...
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