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January 7, 2008 1:31:17 PM

I would be interested in stepping up to this. However I do have one question that is plaguing me. That is, Is it going to need more bandwidth that Pci-e.

I know no card out there yet has ever come close to needing more bandwidth than Pcie but will the 9800GX2 be the one that makes Pcie2 worth having?

Somebody help clear this up for me please.

Thanks
January 7, 2008 1:51:45 PM

What's interesting is to see 2 DVI, and HDMI, and looks like a digital (optical) TOSLINK connection on the sound card. Is this equivalent to ATi's 5.1 AC3 out over HDMI (but TOSLINK in this case)?
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January 7, 2008 2:19:21 PM

I wonder what kind of requirement this card needs in terms of power?

gwolfman - I would think so, with TOSLINK having the advantage of not being affected by EMI.

January 7, 2008 2:21:28 PM

I doubt it would need more bandwidth than PCi-E since the info goes into one card then is given to the other by the onboard SLI bridge.
January 7, 2008 2:39:51 PM

$450 for this giant? I've noticed at bottom of the article it says 7950GX2 quad SLI setup LOL!
January 7, 2008 3:20:27 PM

whats the specs on the sound card?

given that hdmi has the sound in it, i'm not surprised this is happening.
January 7, 2008 4:36:32 PM

I read it has a slot in which you plug in your sound to it, im guessing from a soundcard or mobo or something.
January 7, 2008 5:05:45 PM

$450 would be an absolute BARGAIN :) 
January 7, 2008 5:18:15 PM

While I am excited about this, AND I think $450 would be a bargin...

I willl wait to see the benchmarks, and for stable drivers to come out.

The sad part is, I doubt many games will see a boost from this.

I hope I am wrong. However, games don't even know how to take advantage of a quad core CPU...

January 7, 2008 5:35:21 PM

EchoTech tell me what you base your comment upon lol... I doubt you can think of anything.

All newer games noe benefit from SLI in some way, this is just SLI it has been done before with 7950GX2, which on its own performed extremely well. SLI is SLI.
January 7, 2008 6:00:07 PM

Is that an HDMI out and Optical out I see on the back? How would I go about connecting my 5.1 analog headphones to those kind of outputs? They use 3 analog jacks for the 5.1 and a 4th for the mic.

I would really like to use that audio so if anyone knows let me know.
January 7, 2008 6:20:02 PM

Hatman,

Truth be told, I am not a "gamer". My kids are more than me.

However, I do like MS FlightSimX.

I am currently using a Dual-Core Extreme, 2 GB of memory clocked at 1.2Ghz, dual raptors raid-0, an Nvidia 8800 with 768mb memory to a 30inch flat panel.

With all settings on high, I am luck to get high 20 frame rates.

I would be THRILLED, if MS FlightSimX would take advantage of this, but I doubt it.

The benchmarks will tell. Can you show me where MS FlightSimX benefits from the 7050X2?
January 7, 2008 6:38:25 PM

From the looks of it, Flight simulator doesn't support dual card setups (according to the TH VGA charts that is). So you would see no benefit. Although, other games are becoming very scalable with SLI...so a LOT of games will benefit from this solution....but for Flight simulator...not worth it...unless they plan to add support in the future.
January 7, 2008 7:43:11 PM

If some of you are confused, the GX2 cards don't require the game to support SLI. I've asked EVGA this about the 7950GX2 cards and they assured me that both cards will be used 100% even in games that don't support SLI. I'm guessing SLI support is for two cards being split on the PCI-E bus.

But I've been wrong before ;) 
January 7, 2008 7:45:01 PM

You're wrong about that one leo. They will indeed work fine...But if a game doesn't support SLI..you could see performance of a single card gpu or maybe even a bit less. SLI isn't necessarily two graphics cards. The 9800 GX2 would still be run as if it's an SLI two card solution. Therefore drivers are VERY important. If a game doesn't support SLI or doesn't run it well..you won't see much of a boost in performance.
January 7, 2008 11:54:50 PM

Who cares about pics, lets get some benchmarks! lol
January 8, 2008 1:56:33 AM

I think of fudzilla as a pretty reliable hardware news source and I just read this article http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&ta... I'm wondering if they have misprinted the so called 9800 or if this is it's true name. Nvidia needs to get the names right of some of the cards that they have been releasing... for example the new 8800 gt and 8800 gts (G92) ought to have been named the 8900 GT and 8900 GTS and then name the new so called 9800 GX2 the 8950 GX2 just like the 7 series cards. Makes more sense to me.

Overall I think it will be a good buy for around the $450 price range. Any more it's too close to 2 8800GTs. It would have been a smarter move for Nvidia to not release the 8800GT and just release the 8800GTS with a 8900 GT/GTS designation and then release this card. No need for the 8800GT... doesnt help profits!
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January 8, 2008 2:27:49 AM

Nvidia can whip out as many G80 and G92 products as they desire....until ATI can answer the bell.
January 8, 2008 3:06:06 AM

Every pic i've seen of these cards looks like 100% bogus photoshop material to me. Also, the specs I've seen could easily be extrapolated by comparing the 7 series to the 7950GX2 and then applying the same logic to the 8 series.

I'd like a photoshop guru to post and tell me otherwise. If not, I'll believe it when I see an official launch.
January 8, 2008 10:41:14 AM

I want to know if this will support DirectX 10.1 as well, or is it pretty much just 2 8800's stuck together on a smaller die size?
January 8, 2008 3:06:17 PM

Hi all,

No use to me... I am waiting for the real 55nm Geforce 9800 with 1Gb DDR4 RAM (512bit memory interface) that can be watercooled in a single slot!!

Bob
January 8, 2008 4:41:57 PM

If the pics are true I hate to see how many will fit their cables on their mirco ATX boards or even some big MB's. Looking at the pictures those things are HUGE and take up to much space.

I can imagine the power requirements on those. What will we need 2k watt Power supplies?
January 8, 2008 5:29:20 PM

Someone posted specs of the G100 (which is not 9800 GTX) on HardOCP forums from some foreign language site:
This would be what the 10800GTX?

January 8, 2008 7:25:57 PM

I'm still wondering what the real name of the D8E is going to be. Fudzilla.com is calling it the 8900GX2. I think that would be better than 9 series considering it's just a G92 dual slot card. I think I would wait until 9 series G100 personally.
January 13, 2008 9:49:32 PM

Hmmm.... So, there are 2 GPUs using internal SLI connection for a total of 1 Gb memory. By the content of the SLI FAQ posted on this forum, this would mean that the card has actually 512Mb effective memory. To compare it : If you get 2 8800GT cards of 256Mb each and you pair them in SLI configuration, you only get 256 Mb of effective video memory, not 512 Mb (e.g. Games that require 512Mb video memory to runwill not run on 2 x 256Mb 8800 GT configurations).

Am I wrong on my observations ?
January 13, 2008 10:49:02 PM

aandea said:

Am I wrong on my observations ?


You are correct. It's marketing talk, just like calling a Pentium D 915 a 5.6 Ghz processor.
January 14, 2008 12:08:08 PM

Hi all,

Well it all seems the 7950X2 all over again. The questions the speculations where the same, as was the banter.

I will be interested to see how it does turn out. They did say the last model would run in Quad,but as already posted,never happened did it. I have 3 PC's all running this card and may I say never a problem,no over heating of the cards always stayed cool. My system always sits at 51C total, oh I only have a AMD 64 6000X2 CPU.I have run Hellgate London at high, well as high as it will let me with out having DirectX 10,with out to many issues,I must say have run Crysis on High also, some little jerks here and there but nothing major.So I have nothing bad to say about the 7950X2. It did not run as well as they promised and often they never do,this way at least they can sell new cards to us must have the best's lol.

The performance does sound no better for the "9800/8900X2". Maybe they have put a little more thought into this and have said 30% and it may be higher,just they are being safe and maybe playing it down this time!. Cards with G92 have already shown they out do their counter parts, if you can believe the stats.Nvidia may look at the Quad SLI,but I think this may not be the case because they have their other idea on the go. 3 X SLI using the 780i Chip set!mind you this is only for the 8800 GTS/GTX Cards if you have the ready's.

NVIDIA nForce® 780i SLI™ media and communications processors (MCPs) are the foundation for the world's ultimate gaming PC. Maximize your rig's performance with 3-way SLI technology, achieve ultimate control with the real time component monitoring and tuning features the first platform designed for ESA-certified components, and experience phenomenal DirectX® 10 gaming with the best platform for GeForce GPUs.
See link to Nvidia for more info
http://www.nvidia.com/object/nforce_780i_sli.html

I would love the price to be as low as they say and the card to run a little better then they say, I am a fan of these card and if they can run in quad as they promise, Boy I would love to have ago and build a new system,I'm ready to do a full rebuild. Can't wait to see if this is fiction or truth, well the 3 cards is true any way.
January 14, 2008 4:46:59 PM

It will now help a lot more simply because they can change the pre-render limit from 3 to 4 to gain help from a 4th card in AFR.


the GX2 will likely run as any SLI setup and in quad sli scale like any SLI whichll mean a little worse than 3way except at super high resolutions.

The question is which will perform better, 3x 9800GTX in tri-sli or 2x 8900GX2 in quad sli.
January 15, 2008 9:06:24 AM

Slobogob said:
You are correct. It's marketing talk, just like calling a Pentium D 915 a 5.6 Ghz processor.

I'm not sure that's really the most logical way to look at it. Technically nothing in said Pentium D would actually operate at a frequency of 5.6 Ghz. Actually, what's a lot closer to that example is DDR "frequencies," since the actual frequency of DDR2-800 is really 400Mhz. But if you crack open a card with 2x512MB of memory, you actually will see a full 1GB worth of memory modules, even if it might mislead some people.
January 15, 2008 9:42:16 AM

killian101 said:
Engadget had some specs up last week: http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/04/nvidia-geforce-9800-...

1GB frame buffer
Two PCBs
Two 65nm GPUs
256 Stream Processors



Actually with graphics cards you can't consider the two 512MB frame buffers as effective like a dual channel system bus. It will still have a 512MB frame buffer with a total of 1GB.
January 16, 2008 3:10:23 AM

bravo29 said:
If the pics are true I hate to see how many will fit their cables on their mirco ATX boards or even some big MB's. Looking at the pictures those things are HUGE and take up to much space.

I can imagine the power requirements on those. What will we need 2k watt Power supplies?


It might be me, but if im spending over $1000 on a video card alone, im not going to have a Micro ATX board. I'd want pretty much a fully featured board (not a well featured cut down one) with full and strong control of its voltages everwhere.

I'd be spending at least $300 on a mobo if i would buy a video card like this, and i'd like you to point to a 1333fsb mobo for that price range which will have trouble actually fitting these video cards and the subsequent cables.

Im expecting the RRP to be closer from $1600-2000 at launch anyway.
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January 16, 2008 4:25:27 AM

EchoTech said:
Hatman,

Truth be told, I am not a "gamer". My kids are more than me.

However, I do like MS FlightSimX.

I am currently using a Dual-Core Extreme, 2 GB of memory clocked at 1.2Ghz, dual raptors raid-0, an Nvidia 8800 with 768mb memory to a 30inch flat panel.

With all settings on high, I am luck to get high 20 frame rates.

I would be THRILLED, if MS FlightSimX would take advantage of this, but I doubt it.

The benchmarks will tell. Can you show me where MS FlightSimX benefits from the 7050X2?


AFAIK there's a patch out for FSX allowing it to use up to 32 CPU cores. Also, this game is CPU-bound, i.e. a faster GPU or SLI won't do much. I've seen benchmarks where 7800GTX SLI and 8800GTX SLI both got 22fps in FSX, even though 8800GTX is 4 or 6 times faster in other games. Try a Q9450 in March or whenever they release them...
January 24, 2008 2:07:46 AM

hughyhunter said:
Nvidia needs to get the names right of some of the cards that they have been releasing... for example the new 8800 gt and 8800 gts (G92) ought to have been named the 8900 GT and 8900 GTS and then name the new so called 9800 GX2 the 8950 GX2 just like the 7 series cards. Makes more sense to me.

No need for the 8800GT... doesnt help profits!

I could happily have written your first paragraph word for word - very, very well put.

However, I think there IS a market for the 8800GT - esp the 256mb model, which I v. nearly bought, till I heard about the 9600gt - and decided to hold out. (Currently have the 7600gt)

icehot said:
I want to know if this will support DirectX 10.1 as well...?

I've heard it doesn't.

bfellow said:
Someone posted specs of the G100 (which is not 9800 GTX) on HardOCP forums from some foreign language site:
This would be what the 10800GTX?

Fairly safe in saying that the G100 "is" the 9800gtx (and any possible variants, i.e. 9800gts). In terms of future nVidia GFx Cards, I've personally heard of the (above) G100, the G94 (is that 9800gx2?) and a GX200.

I think the 10800gtx, which I have btw never heard of, might have a designation like G110, but that's purely speculation.

aevm said:
AFAIK there's a patch out for FSX allowing it to use up to 32 CPU cores. ... Try a Q9450 in March ...

I intend to!!! (IMO, this is the best value-for-money choice out of the nehalem crop. That's assuming the "Release Price" is upheld by retailers.)
January 28, 2008 8:55:21 PM

holypop said:
Hi , there.
What you think about this article?
9800GTX True or Hoax?
http://nvidia-9800-gtx.blogspot.com/2007/12/9800gtx-true-or-hoax.html

I think it's hoax too , because in nVidia.com isn't any news about 9800 :ouch: 

WHAT YOU THINK?



I think this guy is full of BS, everything he states is pure hearsay and is following his own flawed logic. Here he says, "If we are to see new product from nvidia why will not be called 9800GTX? There will be a 9800GT, 9800GTX and the 9800GX2. His english could use some improvement also, he only states what he believes disreguarding the facts. The whole reason he made that post is because Nvidia's release doesn't follow his logic therefore he doesn't believe it. Sounds like a personal problem to me, I think he has too much time on his hands. :lol: 


By systemlord at 2008-01-04


By systemlord at 2008-01-04


By systemlord at 2008-01-04
January 29, 2008 3:27:01 AM

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January 29, 2008 2:48:37 PM

If everyone remembers the 7950gx2 there was a huge hype about it, turned out to be less effective coming in 4th next to 7950Gt oc, 7900gtx, and those two in sli, being outdone by as much as 30% in some benches.

This card is basically a 7950gx2 with higher clock rates it seems, dont get your hopes up.
January 29, 2008 9:58:44 PM

supersmashbrada said:
This card is basically a 7950gx2 with higher clock rates it seems, dont get your hopes up.



What!?!, are you on drugs? "This card is not a 7950GX2 with higher clock rates". This card has two G92 based GPU's = to two 8800GTS 512MB cards in SLI, just like ATI's 3870x2 dual GPU card design which matches two 3870's in Crossfire. Don't smoke pot supersmashbrada before posting next time please. :sarcastic: 


http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3209
January 29, 2008 10:04:28 PM

systemlord said:
What!?!, are you on drugs? "This card is not a 7950GX2 with higher clock rates". This card has two G92 based GPU's = to two 8800GTS 512MB cards in SLI, just like ATI's 3870x2 dual GPU card design which matches two 3870's in Crossfire. Don't smoke pot supersmashbrada before posting next time please. :sarcastic: 


http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3209



:lol: 
January 29, 2008 11:13:31 PM

pchoi04 said:
:lol: 



Not good for his first post is it? :lol: 
January 30, 2008 12:03:29 AM

i bet it will cost alot :) 

800-900 dollars?
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January 30, 2008 12:17:07 AM

Nice looking card. Can;t wait to see what it can do. May be we can finally play Crysis at ultra at 1200*600 or better? :D 
January 30, 2008 12:20:56 AM

It won't, it's just 2 gts 512's slapped together on the same slot just like the 7950 gx2 was two 7900 gt's slapped together. ATI made the x2 work by designing a whole board with two gpu's on it. The 7950 did not work well and I doubt the 9800gx2 will either, heh but I could be wrong
January 30, 2008 12:25:52 AM

I'm guessing the power requirement for this is twice of the 8800GTS 512MB?
January 30, 2008 1:25:06 AM

Wow, less then a gtx at idle and 56 watts more at full load considering that there are 2 gpu's running there those numbers seem pretty impressive to me.
February 3, 2008 10:39:19 PM

Well I imagine Nvidia has PROBABLY learned something from the 7950x2, remember this is a multi-billion dollar industry, and Nvidia is pretty much one of the biggest players. So let's look at this logically, the 9800gx2 will most likely kick some serious ass no matter what it is, and with the prospect of a $500 price tag for something with so much power, I don't think it will turn out so bad.

Is the 9800gx2 revolutionary? No. But will it once again bring the title of king of the hill back under Nvidia's belt? I'm putting my money on yes, for a time at least. I just can't wait until someone brings out the next quantum leap in GPUs that can take us at least a little ways into the future. (And maybe tame Crysis... just a thought.)
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