The Three Great Lies

If AMD would just admit that phenom is not ready to compete with Intel's lineup they should just say so, and tell the consumers that they want to make sure they produce a "product of great quality". If they admitted that phenom isnt competition yet there would be no negative result.

I can't believe AMD said they were going to focus on trying to make defective chips........

Yes, That is what they ACTUALLY said if you read that quote carefully.

However, I suspect the chips are just defective and not made that way on purpose.

The OEMs are companies like Dell and HP who sell cheap prebuilt boxes, with integrated video or low-end video cards. These computers are not for you. They are for your computer-illiterate neighbor who just wants a reliable box to download naughty videos, or for senior citizens who play SimCity and Mahjongg.

I have the FutureShop flyer here. It shows 2 boxes, one with Q6600/8500GT, one with Phenom 9500/integrated 6150, both around CDN$ 1200. Either would be useless in Crysis. Both are going to sell very well, I'm sure. Even the Q6600 and Phenom 9500 are way overkill for the people who will buy these things.

You guys need something better to do.

I would have to say they were telling the truth this time, based on the announcements at CES by thieir OEM customers(HP, Dell, Gateway, etc...). The OEMS are going "green", so the higher end processors are not a priority. Given their limited funds, and thus manufacturing capacity, AMD is going to crank out the most chips they can to generate cash flow, which will in turn, finance the higher end chips.

In reality, the enthusiast chip market is way smaller than the mainstream.

looks like intels and amds dual and quad cores cant think of more lies not even overcloked at 5ghz with water cooling hahaha.

Youre definitely on a roll, dude. All you need now is some mustard, mayo and a pickle! Or given your location, Vegemite!

Baron is hiding at AMDZone. I was relieved to find that he didn't hang himslef from a ribbon cable out of a TLB crashed Phenom system.

It seems that at least the Wolfie launch next week will be a real one. In fact some guys in Aussie in another thread are swearing that they have the new Yorkies in their hands. I dont think given AMDs curent moribond condition that Intel would dare to play games now. this is a checkmate move. They wont blow it. Bet on it.

I have used that 3rd lie on more than one occasion.

The more I read about what's happening the more I'm convinced that AMD is going to do a platform change on us. Releasing slower quads will ease the pressure of keeping the current quads AM2 platform friendly and will start to force mobo vendors to upgrade bios support for Phenom. Then many up graders and existing AM2 users can migrate to quad more easily, but without a huge speed bump.

I'm now expecting the "new platform," faster native quads to take on Intel's Nehalem architecture. The new spider platform with its multi gpu support will have plenty of input as well. I expect that Nehalem will probably feel the full onslaught of the spider platform. That platform may very well end up containing a graphics cpu that can be immediately cross fired with a stand alone card of the same family chip set.

The biggest problem AMD has, as I read it, is the price the market will pay for their current quads, which is stuff all, and so its hard to justify a new flagship cpu release in the current market climate, particularly on an old platform where it is unlikely to make big in-roads on Intel's current advantage anyway.

Indeed one of the most interesting things about this whole cpu release is why is Intel sells their faster CPU's with such low margins? On the other hand they are charging a premium for their chip set mobos, so they look to me to be cribbing some of the margin back there.

Compare this to when the Athlon went to the top of the table, the X2 cpu's hit top price brackets often much higher than the Intel positioned product, so why is Intel so intent on squeezing the slower A64 now? It certainly is making it difficult for AMD to release their new quad when the margins are so low.

Is that the Intel strategy? If it is, then for the time being it's working, largely due to the cash flow restraints under which AMD must operate under since the take over of ATi.

So while the cpu's that Intel makes are the essentially the same design it's relatively easy for them to keep the speed advantage high and the price down. However Intel's new technology, Nehalem, will be a new design and will be in short supply initially so they'll be priced considerably higher so the margins will be better for AMD to release the faster quad cpu's, new platform and all then.

Came across this article shortly after posting the above.

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inqu [...] poena-york

While I'd like to see the faster Phenom's out instead of a 65 watt 1.8 gigahertz Phenom, I have no complaint about the triple cores. Let's face it, Intel does the "defective chips" thing too. So did AMD in the past. I'd rather see a budget triple core and see how it compares to the current Phenom's in price/performance than to see nothing this quarter.

Maybe that's what I'll do for my two ASUS 690G boards, get a couple of triple cores at the right price and then build new systems with 780G boards and faster memory next fall after mature 45nm Phenom's arrive? I'd wanted a 2.4 gigahertz Phenom, but that won't be out until May.

Intel fanboyism creates threads like this just as AMD fanboyism creates threads where reviews at Newegg etc. are seen as the ultimate word on Phenom. Give it a rest people. Get a life that's not oriented around proving that one or the other CPU company is a Den Mother for Hitler Youth. Both AMD and Intel are good companies and they both make mistakes in the marketplace, they both innovate as they leapfrog the competition and they will both survive into the next decade.

I'm not really sure where AMD is making much profit on this....

1 - The Phenom is much more expensive to make then the 65nm X2 Chips, but is they cut the price much more it will be what they were trying to sell their better X2 chips for a few months ago.

2 - The "Tri-Core" Phenom, are actually failed Quads, so I doubt AMD is "Focusing" on making these. But they might have a large number piling up.

3 - I doubt there is a huge demand for Quad's that are more expensive but underperform the Current X2 Chips. Considering the Huge differnece in Clock speeds already and the further cutting in performance for a very expensive chip to make, the logic becomes hard to accept.

It appears that Tri-Core are piling up because of failing Cores.
AMD Hopes they will get better yields by cutting the clock speeds even further.

I've got a bridge to sell everyone who things AMD is making slower chips because they are desired more than faster ones.

AMD's Three Great Lies:

1. OEM input
2. customer demand
3. NDA due to competitive reason

Trust me, you're not alone. A lot of other people (IMO, more knowledgeable people) predicted that AMD will spend little time at 65nm due to its immaturity (compared to its 90nm process).

However, in order to develop a newer process node, the experience learned from the previous node is essential. Given AMD's 65nm is immature, they will only encounter a lot more problems at 45nm.

There are two brick walls between AMD and the newer 45nm process node.
1. Process has to be ramped to fit AMD's specification after purchase from IBM.
2. AMD will add HK/MG to its 45nm line, when IBM won't. As a result, AMD needs to modify the process.

These two factors will severely undermine AMD's effort of having a mature 45nm process.

It doesn't hurt to be an optimist, although I wouldn't keep my hopes up. AMD has been known to slowly ramp their process up to par, compared to Intel (90nm, 65nm). Aside from that, they still have to successfully implement HK/MG on the process themselves.

I would expect limited shipments of 45nm K10 in Q4, and possibly will be delayed to Q1. Volume shipment in Q2.

On the nose there, AMD is a company in deep doodoo. They may pull out of it....or the entire encholada could collapse around their ears....I think from what I've read and what the Stock Price has done, they are on a knife edge.

Yomama your more optimistic than I am about the new shrink.

I think I need to re-evaluate my AMD fanboi status ... its waning !!

#4 Lie: It's not you, it's me



Although the #3 lie is hilarious.

Hey cnumartyr,

I couldn't agree more. Although when it is early like this on a Sunday morning and I haven't received my Sunday paper yet... It is nice to come in here and read the "Sunday Funnies" until I am filled with laughter...

Although sometimes I do get really amazed at the stupidity that is in here.

Then I go and read my Sunday morning paper.

What are IBM on these days (nm wise)?

Calm down

^Price Less.

I would love to know half of what he knows, and it is definitely a compliment for you guys to compare me to him.

However, no, I'm not him. He's somewhere else though... continuing to share his wisdom and knowledge.

Here is a good starting point.

roborat64.blogspot.com

EDIT: Look for the poster "JumpingJack" in the comment section.

I do believe neither is telling the truth anymore, but in all fairness, what corporation does?
They are all a bunch of liars. Bill Gates is also an absolute schmuck too.

"just shut up and be sure to drink your ovaltine" seems to be the general corporate concensus these days.
Keep buying our crap and don't ask any questions.

Doesn't matter if Ovaltine has caused cancer in lab animals. Money can be lost by telling the truth.
Just ask Good 'ol AMD. lol They told the truth and look at them now! LOL!

I am sick of this industry as a whole, whether it's lying, overhyping, or just plain ripping us off.