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E2180/Gygabyte DS3L == Have I found a deal?

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January 12, 2008 4:40:40 PM

Hello

Ok, so i'm posting here to see if I found a great deal on the motherboard/ processor combo for the build that I'm in the middle of collecting parts for. I was looking on Clubit.com (don't know if they're reputable..Are they?) And they have the motherboard I've been waiting to go on sale at newegg, for $15 cheaper: For $85 at clubit. Then I found the processor for about $3 cheaper. Then, there is this promotional code. Supposedly, if I buy the processor, and any lga775 motherboard, I get another $14 off. Free shipping on the processor, $4 shipping on the motherboard. Is this a good deal?

Some concerns: What if the processor is not very overclockable? Should I return it? Can I return it with Clubit.com? (anybody have any experience with them?) Are there any variations in this processor? like are there different versions? is this a good version?

Will there be better deals in the future?

Links: http://clubit.com/product_detail.cfm?itemno=A1938263
http://clubit.com/product_detail.cfm?itemno=A4830813


I think I should also note that this will be my first custom build. To see the rest of it, look below:

Processor
E2180
$90
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Motherboard
GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard
$100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case
Antec 900
Already Own: $89.89
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Ram
Corsair XMS2 2gb
$37
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

DVD Burner
LITE-ON Black DVD/CD Burner
Already Own: $35.71
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Graphics Card
Radeon hd 3850
$180
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU
Antec earthwatts EA430
Already Own: $34.94
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Hard Drive
Western Digital Raptor 150gb, 10,000 rpm
$170
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...

Mouse
Logitech G5
$37
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Operating System
Windows XP professional w/ sp2 %u2013 OEM
$140
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



Thank you
January 12, 2008 4:55:06 PM

I'd say go for it, it should serve you well. I'll explain more later if I get a chance.
January 12, 2008 5:02:52 PM

its a good mobo
i would up the processor to a 6420
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January 12, 2008 5:16:19 PM

Avenger_K said:
I'll explain more later if I get a chance.

I'd like to hear it, when you have the time, thanks
dragonsprayer said:
its a good mobo
i would up the processor to a 6420

That 6420 looks awesome, but it's way out of my budget. $120 more. I couldn't see anything justifying that much money. The only difference I could find was the 2.13 ghz vs 2.0 clock speed, and the 4mb cache instead of the 1. For my purposes I don't think it'll be worth it.

My plan was to start with this setup, try my hand at Overclocking with the e2180, and then later, when I have the money, upgrade to a penryn quad. Is this a stupid plan, I mean, is there a better processor I should buy to 'hold me over?' Or should I just not buy anything, and wait for the penryn quads? How expensive will they be?


Back to the original question - any other opinions on this deal? is it worth springing for?

Oh and another question - I heard someone talking about overclocking, and they said you have to make sure that wherever you buy the processor you will be able to easily RMA it. I don't quite understand this, doesn't overclocking void the warranty? How could you return it after OC'ing? Is there a way to find out how much overclocking potential your processor has before you overclock it?

Thanks in advance
AJ
January 12, 2008 5:58:08 PM

That looks like a good deal to me. I've been looking at a setup like that myself but I Think I want the GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3R Rev. 2.0 instead. I want the upgraded sound and RAID.

The E2180 is suposed to be a great overclocker with it's 10 X multipier. There's a pretty good price jump to the E2200 with it's 11 X multiplier. My only concern is the 1MB Cache. But it should work untill the prices drop on the Quads.
January 12, 2008 5:59:20 PM

quantumsheep said:
Why would anyone in their right mind buy anything other than an E2160 and overclock it? Doesn't make sense if you ask me.



I agree in the E21x0 line.
January 12, 2008 6:05:08 PM

E4500 is in between its about 125$ with 2mb l2 cache and still overclocks like a champ, thats one of your best bets.
January 12, 2008 7:14:07 PM

Even when you figure in shipping it still looks like a little better deal than the EGG. I'd get this burner;
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E1682...
Nice rig, good luck. That processor or any of the 21xx series should go around 3GHz with stock cooling, MO stepping is what you want.
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January 12, 2008 7:29:21 PM

Nice build ;) 
January 12, 2008 8:00:39 PM

Sounds like a great deal. As for your concern about whether it will overclock well, the only way it wouldn't is if these chips are somehow from a bad bin which is highly unlikely. I don't have any experience with clubit, but I am fairly sure they are reuptable.

I bought an e2160 and DS3R and have the chip overclocked to 3GHz with a cooler master hyper TX2 cooler (it was only $5 after MIR). I am also planning to upgrade to a Penryn quad in 12-18 months. So far this cheap chip has performed great! I wouldn't recommend any of the more expensive chips.

The only changes I might recommend is considering getting a CPU cooler if you want something that will cool better and/or be quieter. Also, depending how much gaming you want to do you may want to consider the HD3870 or 8800gt. If you are considering RAID, consider going with a DS3R, otherwise, don't worry about it.

Finally, don't buy that Raptor drive!!!! Most new hard drives using PMR to record are just as fast. For example, this drive is just as fast, with 750gb and cheaper:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
January 12, 2008 8:10:50 PM

ive got a 2180 and a p35-ds3l... my overclock below in my sig. i get 3000 cpu score for 3dmark06 go for it mate
January 12, 2008 10:18:01 PM

I bought the same cpu/mobo combo off clubit a week or two ago for $165 shipped. With the promo $14 off if you buy the combo, the e2180 is cheaper than the e2160.

Unfortunately I'm still waiting on the 8800 gt to get here, meaning that all the parts are still in their boxes.
January 12, 2008 10:18:57 PM

quantumsheep said:
Why would anyone in their right mind buy anything other than an E2160 and overclock it? Doesn't make sense if you ask me.


Lol, I had the same thing in mind. Except I do plan to eventual OC a quad.. :) 

gb123 said:
That looks like a good deal to me. I've been looking at a setup like that myself but I Think I want the GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3R Rev. 2.0 instead. I want the upgraded sound and RAID.

The E2180 is suposed to be a great overclocker with it's 10 X multipier. There's a pretty good price jump to the E2200 with it's 11 X multiplier. My only concern is the 1MB Cache. But it should work untill the prices drop on the Quads.


I thought about the ds3r, but, as I'm not really planning on using raid, I figured it wasn't really worth it. By the time I want to use raid, or ddr3, I'll just upgrade to something alot better, like a maximus formula.
How is it that the 1mb cache will affect the system? Thanks for the suggestions tho!

chuckm said:
Even when you figure in shipping it still looks like a little better deal than the EGG. I'd get this burner;
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E1682...
Nice rig, good luck. That processor or any of the 21xx series should go around 3GHz with stock cooling, MO stepping is what you want.


Dangit, I already bought the lite-on..It was very highly praised on newegg, and someone on here even recommended it. Oh, and thanks - it's only a nice rig because of Tom's hardware lol. It was ugly before I started asking about it.

prodystopian said:
Sounds like a great deal. As for your concern about whether it will overclock well, the only way it wouldn't is if these chips are somehow from a bad bin which is highly unlikely. I don't have any experience with clubit, but I am fairly sure they are reuptable.

I bought an e2160 and DS3R and have the chip overclocked to 3GHz with a cooler master hyper TX2 cooler (it was only $5 after MIR). I am also planning to upgrade to a Penryn quad in 12-18 months. So far this cheap chip has performed great! I wouldn't recommend any of the more expensive chips.

The only changes I might recommend is considering getting a CPU cooler if you want something that will cool better and/or be quieter. Also, depending how much gaming you want to do you may want to consider the HD3870 or 8800gt. If you are considering RAID, consider going with a DS3R, otherwise, don't worry about it.

Finally, don't buy that Raptor drive!!!! Most new hard drives using PMR to record are just as fast. For example, this drive is just as fast, with 750gb and cheaper:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Cool thanks, that gives me more confidence in the e2180. I will get another cpu cooler, I was thinking about the zalman 9700. I, too plan to upgrade to a penryn, and I could keep using the zalman then. Don't really need raid.

About the hard drive - Thank you very much for pointing this out! I've heard some other people say this too, how can that be? one's at 10,000 rpm, and on'e at 7200 rpm. When I'm looking at drives, how do I know if it's one of the fast 7200's? Say, where could I find one with 500 gb?

vegie said:
ive got a 2180 and a p35-ds3l... my overclock below in my sig. i get 3000 cpu score for 3dmark06 go for it mate

3.5 Ghz! amazing! i only pray i'm as lucky as you man lol - Maybe I'll be calling on you too for advice, come OC time.

Thanks shadow lol, but you've already seen this, right ? lol

thanks again everyone, I apologize for my excessive question asking, but I am definitely learning alot from you
January 12, 2008 10:32:57 PM

mikecdm said:
I bought the same cpu/mobo combo off clubit a week or two ago for $165 shipped. With the promo $14 off if you buy the combo, the e2180 is cheaper than the e2160.

Unfortunately I'm still waiting on the 8800 gt to get here, meaning that all the parts are still in their boxes.


Just saw your post come in. That's Awesome! I'm glad I could hear from someone who actually bought from clubit. Oh - wait a second, did that include tax? I just did the math, I am getting it for the exact same amount without tax. Are you saying I should wait until the same deal you got comes back?? Why are you waiting for the 8800 gt to open the other parts? anyway, thanks man, I think I'm going to do it now.
January 12, 2008 11:24:51 PM

make sure u get some good cooling and take ur overclocking one step at a time... my first was 300 fsb at 10x on stock vcore, then from then on ur on ur own mate, all chips are differnt i was lucky.. i have had it at 3.7 but maxing both cores makes to much heat
January 12, 2008 11:40:10 PM

ajsellaroli said:
Dangit, I already bought the lite-on..It was very highly praised on newegg, and someone on here even recommended it.

Don't worry, the lite on should be very good as well

Cool thanks, that gives me more confidence in the e2180. I will get another cpu cooler, I was thinking about the zalman 9700.

That is supposed to be a very good cooler. If you want to do more research on coolers check http://anandtech.com/casecoolingpsus/ or silentpcreview.com

About the hard drive - Thank you very much for pointing this out! I've heard some other people say this too, how can that be? one's at 10,000 rpm, and on'e at 7200 rpm. When I'm looking at drives, how do I know if it's one of the fast 7200's? Say, where could I find one with 500 gb?

This is the case because the information is recorded closer together so the drive doesn't have to spin as fast to read the information in the same amount of time. If you want a 500gb drive, you could try this one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148288

If you want something else just make sure it says paramagnetic recording in the description (that is what makes the 7200 rpm drives faster)





See bold. Also, I should have told you, I got 3GHz at stock voltage (I didn't care to push much further).
January 13, 2008 4:58:58 AM

You know what? I just talked to my dad today, and he's going to give me the $100 he usually spends on my birthday to help me build my computer - guess what I'm doing with that $100?? I'm getting an E6750!! That puppy looks blazing fast, and it has fantastic reviews on newegg (95% 5 egg).

Here's my big question, though: What sort of deals can I expect to get on things like CPU's and motherboards? I mean, the e6750 seems to be pretty popular, would it be wise to wait until it goes on sale, or should I just buy it? Do things like this go on sale very often? I desperately want my system NOW, but I am willing to wait if there will be a deal (i'm in college, but jobless for the time being, so I could always use a good deal). All advice greatly appreciated :) 
January 13, 2008 5:32:43 AM

Sweet build, but consider dropping down to an e6550 and stepping up to a 512MB HD3850. You can still OC the e6550 to handle any game, and 512MB is quickly becoming a minimum for graphics cards.
January 13, 2008 6:15:17 PM

I'm writing a reply to explain my first choice, but you should know that the E8400 (Wolfdale) is coming soon, and should be about the same price as the E6750. Read up on some of the reviews already on the web and you'll see that it is an overclocking monster (I'm seeing things like ~3.6 GHz on stock voltage; ~4.2 with a small increase in voltage). You'll probably want to hold off on an E6750 and wait for that.
January 13, 2008 6:18:09 PM

homerdog said:
Sweet build, but consider dropping down to an e6550 and stepping up to a 512MB HD3850. You can still OC the e6550 to handle any game, and 512MB is quickly becoming a minimum for graphics cards.


Partially agree with that, I still suggest what I mentioned in the last post, but the 512MB of VRAM is definitely becoming the minimum, especially if you want to play games like Crysis at higher settings/resolution.
January 13, 2008 6:35:21 PM

ajsellaroli said:
I'd like to hear it, when you have the time, thanks


My plan was to start with this setup, try my hand at Overclocking with the e2180, and then later, when I have the money, upgrade to a penryn quad. Is this a stupid plan, I mean, is there a better processor I should buy to 'hold me over?' Or should I just not buy anything, and wait for the penryn quads? How expensive will they be?




OK, sorry for not replying earlier, I was at a friend's house and they don't have internet.

The plan to buy the E2180 and overclock it is good because 1) you'll save money initially and 2) you'll get to experiment with overclocking before you get your quad (or dual; see earlier post) and 3) the reason I mentioned about two posts ago :) 

*EDIT* Touchdown Colts!! :bounce:  :kaola:  :sol: 
January 13, 2008 7:10:50 PM

ajsellarol - great job on a budget pc...excellent choices...i would probably have picked the same parts on that kind of budget.
January 13, 2008 7:16:04 PM

I would highly advise against the e6750. I understand you might want it now, but I suggest either your first plan, or waiting and going with the e8400.

What are you planning to do with this machine? If it is primarily gaming, you don't need anything more than the e2180 OCed. If that is the case I would definitely go with your original plan.
January 13, 2008 9:59:17 PM

I would stick with the E2180 and put the extra money in a upgraded video card like others have said.
January 13, 2008 11:50:12 PM

IndigoMoss said:
Yeah, and I have just the card. http://www.nowdirect.com/exec/partInfo/part_detail.tsb?...


The problem with that card is that the OP seems to be building a somewhat future-proof comp, and 256MB of VRAM is most likely not going to be enough for many next-gen games (Crysis 2?). I highly recommend a 512MB 3850.
January 14, 2008 3:33:45 AM

Well, here's the thing. I'm sorry, I failed to post my uses for this computer. I will be using it for Video and Image Editing, and some gaming (mostly counterstrike, possibly some other stuff). I think it would be the best idea for me to just go with the E2180, and then upgrade in a couple months. I think I just might go with that 3850 512, I would like a fairly future-proof card, so I wouldn't have to update that for a while, at least. Later on, I'll go with a new processor, like that 8400.

thanks for the compliment qmalik, I really did it with the help of all these guys on here. Prody, it isn't primarily gaming, it is primarily image editing. I would like to try crysis, but I'm a photographer, so photoshop is my main tool that I want to run well. I have a pentium 4 mobile at 2.0ghz now, so i'm sure an oc'd e2180 will seem very fast. At least fast enough to hold me over until the penryns come out.
January 14, 2008 2:08:57 PM

ajsellaroli said:
Well, here's the thing. I'm sorry, I failed to post my uses for this computer. I will be using it for Video and Image Editing, and some gaming (mostly counterstrike, possibly some other stuff). I think it would be the best idea for me to just go with the E2180, and then upgrade in a couple months. I think I just might go with that 3850 512, I would like a fairly future-proof card, so I wouldn't have to update that for a while, at least. Later on, I'll go with a new processor, like that 8400.

thanks for the compliment qmalik, I really did it with the help of all these guys on here. Prody, it isn't primarily gaming, it is primarily image editing. I would like to try crysis, but I'm a photographer, so photoshop is my main tool that I want to run well.


Good choices on parts. I've heard that the 3850s are great for video work, and that they get better image quality than the Nvidia equivalent.


"I have a pentium 4 mobile at 2.0ghz now, so i'm sure an oc'd e2180 will seem very fast. At least fast enough to hold me over until the penryns come out."

You got that right.......

Good luck on your new build :bounce: 
January 14, 2008 4:28:17 PM

Thanks, Avenger. Which brand 3850 would you go with?
January 14, 2008 4:51:20 PM

I'd just pick one of these:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Overclocked, with nice cooler and supposedly lifetime warranty.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Has a nice big dual slot cooler, which pushes the hot air out the back our your case instead of recirculating it. It says in the specs that it has GDDR4, but I wouldn't trust that as the 3850s are supposed to be all GDDR3. Also comes with overclocked core and memory. Is said to come with a lifetime warranty. Here's a review of it: http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/visiontek_hd385...

Of those two I would probably pick the VisionTek, since I like the dual slot cooling design, and it has free shipping plus all the features of the other two cards. If it's too big for your case then just go with the PowerCooler.

Enjoy the new build! :bounce: 
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January 14, 2008 5:06:38 PM

After discovering that not only does the Diamond HD3870 have driver problems, but Diamond tech support is incompetent and their sign up on the web isn't working, I have placed Diamond on my personal black list.

I'm running a Gigabyte HD3850 now, and am pleased with it.
January 14, 2008 5:17:07 PM

Onus said:
After discovering that not only does the Diamond HD3870 have driver problems, but Diamond tech support is incompetent and their sign up on the web isn't working, I have placed Diamond on my personal black list.

I'm running a Gigabyte HD3850 now, and am pleased with it.


OK, thanks mate, I'll edit the original post to remove the Diamond card from the list. The other two were the good ones anyway.....
January 14, 2008 7:13:38 PM

Wow man, I like that visiontek. Read the whole review, it seems to be a pretty solid buy. Unfortunately, I waited too long lol - the e2180 is sold out at clubit now. Any ideas on where else I should look?
January 14, 2008 7:53:06 PM

How about Newegg? xD Try PriceGrabber if you're looking for a deal.
January 14, 2008 8:27:47 PM

The Raptor is a colossal waste of money.

Option 1: (same price)
160GB Sata2 drive - subtract $120
E6750 - add $100
ASUS 3850/512MB - add $20

Option 2: (about $25 more)
2x 160GB Sata2 drive - subtract $70
M$ optical wire mouse - subtract $27
E6750 - add $100
ASUS 3850/512MB - add $20

2x hard drives make a huge speed difference *without* using RAID. The 6750 OCs beautifully on the DS3L. The extra 512MB on the video card will give you better gaming performance. Graphics output is highly dependent on the CPU, the better (faster) the CPU, the more FPS you will get.
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January 14, 2008 9:14:21 PM

^Not true. 90% of the time the CPU impact will be minimal like 2-3fps, nothing that you can notice in actual game play.
January 14, 2008 9:48:38 PM

I just bought the clubit promo last Dec 30 .. I received it and it seems ok :D 
January 14, 2008 10:17:58 PM

Lol clubit has it in stock again..that was fast. nhobo, I wanted to get 2 hard drives, so i could convert from one to another after video editing, that would be great, but which hard drives did you have in mind, you didn't say?

And about the mouse, I have a ball mouse just lying around, I could use that for now. About the e6750, I don't know.. it is a very well-recieved motherboard, but, like prody was saying, I should probably just either go with the e2180 initially, or get an 8400 when it comes out. And here's my main reason: as far as I know, overclocking can damage your processor, right? I think that the first processor I try to overclock should be a relatively cheap one. Tell me if i'm wrong.

Thanks keplenk for the feedback
January 14, 2008 10:57:13 PM

ajsellaroli said:
Lol clubit has it in stock again..that was fast. nhobo, I wanted to get 2 hard drives, so i could convert from one to another after video editing, that would be great, but which hard drives did you have in mind, you didn't say?

And about the mouse, I have a ball mouse just lying around, I could use that for now. About the e6750, I don't know.. it is a very well-recieved motherboard, but, like prody was saying, I should probably just either go with the e2180 initially, or get an 8400 when it comes out. And here's my main reason: as far as I know, overclocking can damage your processor, right? I think that the first processor I try to overclock should be a relatively cheap one. Tell me if i'm wrong.

Thanks keplenk for the feedback


Now would probably be the time to go for it, before it goes out of stock again.........

You're sort of right about wanting your first overclock to be on a cheap processor. Yes, technically it CAN damage your CPU, but the main problem is that you void your warranty. It's always better to void your warranty on a cheap CPU rather than a more expensive one, if you see what I'm saying. Besides, the E2180 should overclock well enough for your needs anyway, and then you have that extra money for a better video card.
January 14, 2008 11:32:52 PM

misposted -
January 14, 2008 11:34:25 PM

Shadow703793 said:
^Not true. 90% of the time the CPU impact will be minimal like 2-3fps, nothing that you can notice in actual game play.
Not according to this thread, nor the online results at Futuremark for 3DMark06.
January 15, 2008 12:56:20 AM

ajsellaroli said:
Just saw your post come in. That's Awesome! I'm glad I could hear from someone who actually bought from clubit. Oh - wait a second, did that include tax? I just did the math, I am getting it for the exact same amount without tax. Are you saying I should wait until the same deal you got comes back?? Why are you waiting for the 8800 gt to open the other parts? anyway, thanks man, I think I'm going to do it now.


I didn't pay tax at clubit, only shipping, so my grand total was $165. The reason everything is still in the box is because I can't do nothing with a cpu, mb, and ram if I don't have a video card to use it with. My current video card is agp so I have to wait until I get the video card. The problem is that its damn hard to get an 8800gt at a decent price. I ordered one from ncixus.com at what came out to $245 shipped but they went out of stock after I ordered it and now I have to wait some more. Fortunately, I checked clubit and they had the same 8800gt for $250 shipped and in stock. Weds I should have my video card that I ordered from clubit.
January 15, 2008 1:53:10 AM

why didn't you pay tax?
January 15, 2008 2:13:20 AM

ajsellaroli said:
why didn't you pay tax?

He told them he didn't believe in it.... :lol:  :lol:  :kaola: 
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