I'm upgrading my laptop hard drive from 120GB to 320GB. I normally reload vista every 2 months to keep my computer clear of clutter. I'm tired of having to back up my data everytime I do this. I've read that people can make two partitions on one hard drive. One for the OS and programs that can be reloaded, and one for the data that can sit through the reloading of Vista. Am I right that this is possible? Does it make sense? Can I make the to partitions with just the Vista disc? What size would you suggest for my OS/program partition?
You can make just about as many partitions as you like, and organize your hard drive lots of different ways.
One advantage of different partitions is that you can backup/restore one partition without affecting other partitions, which I think is what you are leading up to. For instance you could re-load your OS and programs anytime you want, without affecting your data. Another strategy is to occasionally copy an image of your OS partition to somewhere else on the hard drive, such as after you make setup changes or install software, then when you think you have a problem with the OS you can restore that image back to the OS partition. Don't have to reinstall and reconfigure apps that way.
You can buy programs such as partition magic that will take your current drive and break it up into multiple partitions without losing data.
you could re-load your OS and programs anytime you want, without affecting your data
That's exactly what I want to do. Do I need to buy a program to do this or can I just make multiple partitions during the OS installation? I have an external hard drive so I won't need to save the info that's on there. Do you have any suggestion to what size I should make the OS/program partition? I know Vista takes ~10GB by itself.
You can do it during the windows install, personally I just set up an 80 GB partition for Windows and apps (mostly Office, MATLAB and games) and the other 920 GB goes to storage capacity.
All that follows should be do after backing up everything from your HD:
When the windows install program asks you to choose a hard drive to install select delete partition, then select create new partition, input the desired size and the install disk will format it and install windows, then in windows you can format the other partition by right clicking on it (you may have to go to disk management by right clicking on My Computer) and you'll be ready to go.
And yes, it's really good to be able to do a clean install of the OS without going through the hassle of backing up all your data.
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I always partition large Harddrives. My laptop has a 250 Gig HHD with XP Pro (also Have 2 HDDs both with vista on it that I can swap in)
Here is what I have:
C Drive (40 gigs) For operating system and programs Could be smaller, it all depends on the programs that you will install Plus you need at least 10 to 15 Percent free for a defrag
D drive (10 gigs) used only for the windows/vista swap file. This reduces the fragmentation on C drive.
E Drive (200gigs) For all my files. Simplifies Back up and defrag operations.
When you reload your operating system, you can follow what SirCrono stated or use a a bootable CD that will alwo you to see the drive and its partions so that you can either delete all files on drive C or reformat your Drive C
Of the two HHDs with vista on it, one is whate came with the laptop - Have not messed with it, but the 2nd one with vista on it I have partitioned it similar to the XP HDD. I also have them in a USB enclosure to that I can access my data on them while I have the 3rd HDD installed in the laptop
Message edited by RetiredChief on 12-16-2008 at 04:45:01 AM
D drive (10 gigs) used only for the windows/vista swap file. This reduces the fragmentation on C drive.
What do you use this for exactly? Should have a 10GB partition for "windows swap file"?
I'm only going to have 320GB to deal with, so 80GB seems like a large portion. If I make the OS/programs partition smaller and run out of room, can I make it bigger without having to reformat the entire drive?
I do plan on getting an external enclosure for my 120GB. The 320GB is a Seagate Momentus 7200.3 ST9320421AS if anyone cares.
Dougx1317
Yes, by making a small (ie 60 gig) partition first for operating system and programs it will place and keep them on the outer edge of the platter where the angular velocity is much higher and a sector (512 Byts) occupies the same space.
In reference to my "D" drive for the swap file. By placing this NEXT to the "C" partician (Which I think 60 gigs is plenty - remember it is ONLY for operating system and Programs) it does two things. (1) windows normally sandwhichs this in your "C" drive. This file, unless you set min and max to the same value expands and contracts which leads to faster fragmentation. 2nd by making it your 2nd partition you keep it close to the outer edges of the platter(s) Windows writes from the outer edge toward the center.
As for the D drive, do you recommend that I make one of these? Is 10GB a good size to make it? Seems kinda big. Should be a separate partition or unpartitioned space? You're saying that by having this, Windows will run faster/smoother or will it only make defragmentation faster? I only have 320GB to work with, so I want to make sure it's worth it.
(1) On a fresh installation - No Performace gains, over time, small. The best option is to put the swap file, in its own small partition on a second sata drive (On laptops, most one have one drive so not an option). On a one drive system, the only real benifit is from less fragmentation (over time). Visa does have a much better defrag program than XP.
NOTE: I have 4 drives (one pair raid 0 for xp pro, and the 2nd pair as raid 0 with vista on it.). The XP swap file is on the Vista Disk, and Vista's swap file is on the XP disk. Reason - the heads on one hard drive can not be at two places at the same time. so when a request is made to the swap file and to data (or program) it goes to one then the other. Where as on two HDDs you have two heads that can be at different places. Again only a small performance gain, but if you can you might as well take adantage of it.
(2) On size. Mine is over kill, 5 gig should be OK. The recommended size is 1 1/2 times your memory. In a x64 operating system with 6 -> 8 gigs of ram some set the swap file to a small value. I have 4 gigs of ram and I set my min and max size to 4 gigs ( could probably get by with less). Didn't catch if your vista was 32 bit or 64 bit. If 32 Bit you probably only have around 2.8 gigs of Ram (give or take 0.4 gigs) available for programs so I think 3 to 4 gig swap file would be good. So you could cut that 10 gig down to say 5 gigs. Remember, the space on the hard drive will be used weather its on C drive, or in its own partition.
Message edited by RetiredChief on 12-16-2008 at 10:31:37 PM
I have 4GB of RAM with Vista x64. So, if it's on a one disc system and I'll be reloading Windows at least every 3 months, it doesn't make sense for me to have it? Or should I go ahead and make one, because it can't hurt. How do I place the swap file on the extra partition?
With one HDD, the gain under vista64 would be very small.
I have XP loaded here are the procedures
Control Panel -> System Properties Select advanced
Under performance Click Settings, Select Advanced
Under Virtual Memory select change.
This brings up page were yo can select Logical drive to hold Swap file and if you select custom you can set the min/max size.
For vista, select help and type in virtual memory. Probably very close to XP
Might be a good idea if you google vista virtual memory settings as I have no experience with x64.
Repeat, one a one drive laptop, the performance gain probably isn't worth the hassle. Take care and great computing on that laptop
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