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January 14, 2008 6:24:44 PM

With the release of the E8400\E8500\ect over this next week, expect a lot of questions to crop up on these forums, from undereducated people like me. :D 
Sure some people here actually LIKE to give noobies advice, but the common questions usually get annoying for the forum masters here, who have to sift through hundreds of similar posts to get to something really new and exciting to read.

Welcome the E8400 preparation thread! A thread dedicated to informing people on what the heck they need and why, to run the E8400, also to easily and safely overclock it. The E8500 or others can be discussed too, but bear in mind that the E8400 IS the sweet spot in pricing, considering it should be $40-60 cheaper (US), and is only 100mhz slower, and a .5 less multiplier, when both overclocked to their max, they will probably end up being the same speeds lol. To go lower then the E8400 only saves you $10-20 bucks, and is a more significant loss in stock speeds and lower multiplier.

X-bit labs and Expreview easily got a 4ghz overclock on the E84\E85, so there is little doubt that will probably end up being the target of most overclockers. 4.5 is probably doable for many though. Unfortunately the reviews did not do a very good job specifying to noobies what is really needed to get these speeds.


(UPDATE 1-26-08, got my E8400 running, will answer some of my own questions now)


QUESTION TIME~! party party!


1-- What kind of Mobo should the E8400 be used on, and what about compatibility?

Exprieview used a P35 flashed to support the E8400, Xbit labs used a X38. The price difference between an average P35 and a X38 is $100! So no doubt many people (like me) would prefer to use the P35.

1a--

There does not seem to be any P35 motherboards that can support a wolfdale unless flashed (updated). Can most motherboards be flashed without me needing another intel chip inserted until it is updated? I really don't want to buy anther CPU just to flash, cause then I might as well get a X38, but then again.....

1b--

Do the X38 mobos even support wolfdale out of the box, or do they also need to be flashed?

1c--

IMO the P35 is about as good for a wolfdale as a X38, but that is only based on the bits I've read. Will the X38 be a much better overclocker, or have other features I might need? (this question is mainly asked for others' sake).

answer--- Looks like most P35 mobos have decent-good support for the wolfdales! Some can also be flashed without needing a older CPU in first.... My Gigabyte P35-DS3L (rev. 2) mobo didn't even need to have a bios flash! It worked just fine with the E8400 out of the box!


2-- What RAM!?

I am leaning on DDR2 800mhz (pc6400) as it is cheaper then that hooker down the street. But, for overclocking, especially 4 or higher ghz, is the DDR2 800 going to be a bad choice? The price difference going up to even the DDR 1066 is pretty large.

2a-- Does anyone with a wolfdale need DDR3? Will it give a performance boost worth the huge price (allow me to answer that---- hell no!)

2c-- How much ram? For users of vista 32bit, is 2gigs enough? I know 4 gigs will not be fully recognized, but do some games (say crysis) need more then 2gigs at all?


answer--- I ended up getting 2gb of XMS2 (pc6400) ram, and it is working just fine for my needs, though I have yet to OC it. However, many people report great OC's using DDR2 ram.


3-- What Thermal Paste?

There is a lot of choices here, and I am assuming paste is paste, and doesn't matter too terribly much which one is used, nor what method of spreading just as long as you apply some (personally I'll do a very even spread across the chip with some plastic card). Of course this is being asked for 2nd opinions.

answer--- stock heatsink\fan came with pre-applied thermal paste just as others here mentioned. You won't need any paste unless you want to add a 3rd party cooler.

4--Mr. Scott! How much power!?

For normal humans who only use 1 video card (not 2 or 3 you sickos) how much power should a person need? 600watt power supply sufficient? The wolfdales use less power then the old Core 2's or quads, so I am assuming most people will do just fine with 550-700watts?

answer--- my thermaltake 500W PSU is so far working just fine with the E8400, 1 HD, 1 DVD, few leds\fans, and 8800GTS, so 500W or higher should be plenty for most people.


5-- What Case?


Ok common gamebro! Really?.... YES REALLY! There is a crap load of case options in case (bad joke intended) you haven't noticed. And for fools like me who wish to overclock not only the CPU but perhaps also the RAM and GPU, shouldn't I look for a case that is very efficient in cooling? (and uber cool looking of course).

answer--- My el-cheapo Xion Solaris case is keeping everything cool enough so far, and it was only 30 bucks after rebate! Love the green color on the black case. I call it my X-COM case, as the symbol on the side looks close to the X-com symbol (one of the best games of all time w00t!) =D. I did want that Antec 900 pretty bad though lol..... I think the important thing is making sure whatever case you get, it has more then just the 2 back fans. Side fans, top fans, front fans, underfans.... Well, you get the idea-- the more air the better!


6-- What Heatsink\Fan?

Ok enough of this tunic tower, or liquid cooling nonsense :D  . Will a person REALLY need anything other then the stock heatsink\fan to get a high overclock on the cold running wolfdales? Seriously, I don't want a huge ridiculous hunk of expensive cooling metal in my case unless I really need it lol.
I'd look very dumb if I was bragging to my friends "yeah I got my E8400 at 4.2ghz with my $100 tuniq tower, I am soo cool" then to hear my bud say "you dumb#$$, I got mine to 4.5 on the stock heatsink\fan!)

answer--- The stock HSF is working very well, and is absolutely silent! Some people are reporting healthy 4+ghz OC's on em, but sure a (good) 3rd party cooler will do even better.

Conclusion--

Loving my E8400 so far, and I haven't even OC'ed it yet! With my 8800GTS (g92), 2gb ddr800 ram, and vista ultimate 32bit- It handles Crysis very well even with everything on very high except shaders (high) and AA (0) (1680x1050 resolution). DS3L is a great board too IMO! Wonderful features though I don't think it has raid, nor SLI\xfire, but it works like a champ, and the sound options\controls are soo good, I don't even want to install my old Audigy Gamer sound card!

Oh also- wanted to say, WOW! The E8400 CPU is soo tiny! I could swear my old AMD 3200xp chip is 2x the size!

Thanks to everyone who posted thus far, the advice was very helpful. It was a rough couple of weeks waiting for this long awaited CPU, but it was worth it!
January 14, 2008 6:42:29 PM

Great post. I was getting tired of looking through the various posts to see which etailer had the best deals right now. As of 1/14/08, the best deal I can find in the US for the E8400 is at www.pcsforeveryone.com for $199. The shipping seems reasonable as well, as it is $8 for me for UPS ground.

Sorry I don't have any answers, just wanted to post where I found the best deal thusfar. As far as the mobo support, I'm curious about this as well. I was planning on getting the DS3L, but so far the only BIOS update is for Yorkies, and that was a while back.

Also, as far as MFG#s go, I'm pretty sure this is how it is...

EU80570PJ0806M - OEM
BX80570E8400A - Retail (Box)
BXC80570E8400 - Retail (Box)
BX80570E8400 - Retail (Box)

OEM Order Code: The actual part number used in ordering an Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) processor, sometimes referred to as a tray processor, that is sold to an OEM manufacturer or distributor intended for installation.

Box Order Code: The actual part number used in ordering the processor from an Intel distributor. The boxed processor comes in a sealed box with a 3-year warranty from Intel.

Source
January 14, 2008 6:52:38 PM

Ok will the E8400 be a better value than a Q6600?

Edit: Adding common search phrase:

E8400 vs Q6600
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January 14, 2008 7:12:26 PM

Well bare in mind this thread wasn't made to discuss the E8400 vs anything else, rather to inform people of what parts they should buy, and why. Also to help people out with cooling\overclocking questions ect regarding the new Wolfdale duel cores.

But I'll answer that for ya anyways before I run off to work-- The E8400 will smoke the Q6600 in anything that isn't properly optimized for multi core support (especially 4 cores). Considering it's much faster clock when both are taken to maximum overclocks, and $200 price tag, IMO the E8400 is a much better value for MOST people but not all. This is true until the quad core penryn's come out. Then people need to buy based on their needs, quad cores are better at certain things after all. :) 
January 14, 2008 7:28:54 PM

rallyimprezive said:
Ok will the E8400 be a better value than a Q6600?


Following on from this. Am I compatible with my current g/f?
January 14, 2008 7:46:09 PM

gamebro said:
Well bare in mind this thread wasn't made to discuss the E8400 vs anything else, rather to inform people of what parts they should buy, and why. Also to help people out with cooling\overclocking questions ect regarding the new Wolfdale duel cores.

But I'll answer that for ya anyways before I run off to work-- The E8400 will smoke the Q6600 in anything that isn't properly optimized for multi core support (especially 4 cores). Considering it's much faster clock when both are taken to maximum overclocks, and $200 price tag, IMO the E8400 is a much better value for MOST people but not all. This is true until the quad core penryn's come out. Then people need to buy based on their needs, quad cores are better at certain things after all. :) 



Thanks for taking the time to answer. Sorry if it was OT.

But I am certain that will be a very common question. Might as well get it in the archives for those who search!
January 14, 2008 7:47:18 PM

don't ask me why, but I like the Asrock P35 + wifi. get more info at www.asrock.com, maybe there's a review already at www.ocworkbench.com

I have a Sharkoon 450w PSU, Its serving me very well: 4 hard drives, Athlon 64 X2 65w, Asrock K8upgrade NF3, ATI 1950GT, 2 sound cards, 1 capture card, 2 DVD burners. Superstable system all day long

My brother's A64 X2 rig is similar to mine, has an Antec Earthwatts 380w PSU, with a 8800GTS instead of the ATI. Superstable too.

Just to give some info, the PSU rate indicates the max amount of watts that the PSU can provide, summing all connectors. That doesn't mean that a single connectors can supply that amount, but part of that amount.

So, what happens when a PSU gets a load over the rate? it starts to heat up like a beast til it just burns or a overload protection gets activated.

What thermal paste? well, check newegg's user opinions, if you like them. There are people so worried about its temps that they post the result, usually good thermal paste makes your CPU temps to go lower. Don't use too much, only a thin layer is needed.

Case: I like big cases, that have lots of space, and is able to hold an Extended-ATX motherboard. This is an example:
http://www.alternate.es/html/productDetails.html?artno=...

Heatsink: If you don't overclock: keep the stock. If you like silent stuff, go to newegg. I personally recommend anything that looks-like or is zalman.
January 15, 2008 7:15:05 AM

Should be a massive supply of chips for the first month, so it shouldn't be too hard to get one if you don't hesitate too long. Hopefully there will be plenty of E8400's to meet the demand.




January 15, 2008 7:46:59 AM

tuniq tower is 30euros here (40bucks)
January 15, 2008 10:02:15 AM

Would my rig -:see sig :- actually see a noticable increase in gaming performance with a X38 mobo 4GB 1066 RAM and the E8400 o/c'ed?

Would the X38 mobo PCI-E 2.0 give my CF 3870's more room to breathe?

Or does the CPU clocked to over 4Ghz+ help?

I only ask because i've entered the realms of 24" gaming and have found it a massive hit in high stress games performance ie.Crysis 41fps Very High to 17fps Very High.
January 15, 2008 12:49:04 PM

3870s work like 2 beasts in crossfire when oc the X38 bus to get the CPU to 4Ghz. It gives like 22000 3dmark06 points
January 16, 2008 7:14:22 PM

Hmm, I was hoping to see more information on the mobo issues, but apparently nobody knows!?

Everyone is just gona buy a E8400 and hope the mobo they buy works with it I guess :D 
Ok, I'll just buy some mobo that looks good, and hope to God it can flash with a floppy or USB, without needing a working CPU in it first.
January 16, 2008 8:00:01 PM

one ABIT mobo is known to be able to "recognize" the cpu long enough to flash the bios. dont remember exactly what board. x38 should natively be compatible with wolfdale, as the fsb is naturally 1333, or whatever
January 16, 2008 8:04:58 PM

If you want SLI - 780i
If you want CF - X38
If you just want a mobo with a single Card - Asus P5K-E 0906 BIOS

Board should post without a problem to flash the FSB. It just might give a CPU Microcode error.. I know the Asus board has 45nm support out of the box... but the 0906 is the only official 45nm BIOS and mine came with 0706. 0602 was the best for OCing (vDrop).. but 0906 has some great options.

RAM? I'd get 4 GB of Transcend DDR2-800 w/ a Corsair Dominator Memory Fan.

Paste? MX-2 or Shin-Etsu X23

600W is plenty. Personally I like Ultra X3's for modularity. (I have a 600W and 1000W, both are great).

Case? I have a CM-690 and love it. For a bit more flashy an Antec 900. I prefer bottom mounted PSUs.. but it does mean you will need an EPS12V extension (8 pin CPU connector).

The stock fan is a Celeron fan.. It'll do some mild OCing. I'd get a Tuniq Tower ($45) and call it a day.

Video Card wise I would get an 8800 GTS (G92) for now.

If you want to know how to OC, etc.. Come to the OC forums, we'll teach you how from the ground up on Video Cards, Memory, and CPU.

Feel free to ask me anything.
January 16, 2008 8:42:24 PM

Is my 680i mobo compatable?
January 16, 2008 8:50:59 PM

Ok, I did a little research and found that some/most 680i mobo's will be able to support the Wolfsdales (dual core) but not the Yorkie (quad core).

Here is a list of Asus mobo's ready for 45nm

http://event.asus.com/mb/45nm/

Here is a link indicating that some 680i will support the new chips..

http://evga.com/forums/tm.asp?m=167016&mpage=1&key=%F0%...

Any 680i mobo's that will be compatable will almost certainly require a bios update.

Cheers.
January 16, 2008 10:35:08 PM

Heads up: A beta bios has been released for rev 2.0/1.0 of the Gigabyte DS3L to support wolfdales. Its believed the combo will post to flash the bios.
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January 16, 2008 11:08:42 PM

^FYI: The BIOS is stable as far as I am concerned (just flashed it about ~30minutes ago). Will do some testing over the weekend. I had the E2180 OCed to 3.2Ghz stable on the last BIOS so I have to reset the settings and run some stress testing.
January 16, 2008 11:57:07 PM

Some good info, thanks fellows.

Cnumartry-- Do I REALLY need the tuniq tower lol? I hear a person needs a full tower to even fit it! ALSO, isn't there cheaper cases that have decent air flow? Yes I want some decent cooling, but is it absolutely necessary to pay more then 50 on a case? These E84's do run very cool after all, and I feel like a lot of this is OVERKILL w00t =D

I am willing to bet a lot of people will get very good overclocks on the stock heatsink and fan, perhaps I'll stick with it, and if I don't like the temps I'll buy a tuniq or zalman.

I'll have to do some thinking, in the meantime I am gona get some money on the debt card to buy tommorow!
January 17, 2008 12:16:05 AM

That Asus link was interesting reading, and not in a good way... No 975x chipsets on there, like my P5W DH. Hope they fix that. I'm still torn between the E8400 for $220 or the Q9450 for $380. Ah, well, maybe by the time they're released, I'll make up my mind. :) 

Clint
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January 17, 2008 12:52:16 AM

Lets see...
I'll give a try...

Answers for the following:

1a) If you already have a cpu then what you can do is update your bios first before installing the new one.
If you got the board and cpu online and the bios needs a update then you can visit a your local computers shop that you trust and see if they can update it for you.

2b) Can't tell, but hopefully newer shipped boards will have the most updated bios.

1c) The best Intel chipset for the money is the P35. The X38 has is just PCIe 2.0, and full PCIe x16 instead
of 1 PCIe running at x16 and the other at x4. But what's the point of getting a x38 when x48 may replace the x38 soon.

2a) Nope Wolfdale does not need DDR3 unless got a board that uses DDR3 instead of DDR2.

2c) For the best experience of Vista go with 2GB, but if you have enough money than go with as much as you can.
For a 32bit Vista if you install 4Gb you may not see all of them due to the 32bit memory limitation, but Vista SP1 fixed that issue (well not really thought, it's just to stop people from creating those "where is my ram" threads).
If you want go the full 4GB or more than you will need a 64bit OS, but some motherboards will have chipset limitations where having 8GB (2GB x 4) windows may not see the full 8GB. Now remember this is not Windows 64bit's fault, but a limit in the chipset!

3) Stock fans that came with those retail cpus should have their thermal paste pre-applied.
If you got a third party fan then use a pea size amount and spread it evenly over your cpu.
Use a business card like what the gamebro mentioned.

5) This is a case with plenty of air flow to keep your components cool and happy.


This is not


Personally I like huge cases like the Thremaltake Mozart.

6) Can't tell but from reading a bit here and there, some say that a overclocked Core 2 Duo runs pretty stable when using a stock fan. You know what let those guinea pigs do it first and see if it's worth spending $100 on a fan.







January 17, 2008 1:08:27 AM

I sent a message to Gigabyte tech support asking if I could update the BIOS via flash drive and Q-Flash, and they responded with...

Quote:
you can use an usb flash drive to update the bios with the q-flash, but the system will need to be bale to post first in order for you to update the bios


So does that mean the mobo won't POST without a recognized CPU?
January 17, 2008 1:23:50 AM

I'll let you know when I put mine together next week-ish ...
January 17, 2008 1:48:53 AM

96Firebird said:
I sent a message to Gigabyte tech support asking if I could update the BIOS via flash drive and Q-Flash, and they responded with...

Quote:
you can use an usb flash drive to update the bios with the q-flash, but the system will need to be bale to post first in order for you to update the bios


So does that mean the mobo won't POST without a recognized CPU?


I need clarification on this also as I am planning on buying the DS3L and an e8400. And this is my first time build so I don't want any shannagans.
January 17, 2008 7:24:50 AM

That Gigabyte DS3L, I looked up the giga site, and they didn't seem to mention this board has the Qflash feature =? Does it actually have it? If it does, is should work then without needing any other CPU.

Looking like a good E8400 mobo for the price, but can it really Qflash?

January 17, 2008 8:52:39 AM

Quote:
That Gigabyte DS3L, I looked up the giga site, and they didn't seem to mention this board has the Qflash feature =? Does it actually have it? If it does, is should work then without needing any other CPU.

Looking like a good E8400 mobo for the price, but can it really Qflash?


Hey Gamebro, I recently i.e. last month built a system around a E6750 and the DS3L, I had to flash my bios to recognise the CPU.

Basically the machine would post however, I could get windows XP to install. Turns out the shipped bios didn't natively support the 1333 FSB. So a quick flash sorted it, its nice and quick and painless.

I would imagine it would be the same for the wolfdales...at least I hope so as I would get one in a few months if I get itchy.
January 17, 2008 8:58:34 AM

" Basically the machine would post however, I could get windows XP to install. Turns out the shipped bios didn't natively support the 1333 FSB. So a quick flash sorted it, its nice and quick and painless"

Should actually read Basically the machine would post however, I could not get windows XP to install. Turns out the shipped bios didn't natively support the 1333 FSB. So a quick flash sorted it, its nice and quick and painless. d'oh
January 17, 2008 4:41:04 PM

If it is POSTing then you should be able to flash the bios with a usb flash drive.. I've got the same problem in about a week when my E8400 comes. My DS3L is sitting in a box right now.
January 17, 2008 4:56:16 PM

Could someone comment on how you flash the bios from a USB stick?

I've never done it before, and will likely have a new Gigabyte P35 DS4 and a E8400 for a new build fairly soon. I'd have to assume that any DS4 board I buy right after the E8400s come out will need a bios update to support the chip.

So I'm assuming you have the update on your USB stick, and maybe some utility like Qflash or something? If the machine posts, what's next? Is there a utility in the bios setup that you can run that is able to find the update on the USB port?

Sorry for being a noob. :( 
January 17, 2008 5:26:57 PM

The manual for the DS3L has a section on updating the BIOS with Q-Flash, so I'm assuming it has the feature. Jaywill, check the manual or download your motherboard's manual from Gigabyte's website and read up on the section about flashing with Q-Flash. It is very detailed so you should have no problems.
January 18, 2008 3:14:40 PM

I have a DS3R in its box sitting next to my sofa. I cant wait to bust it open and throw in my E8400!

a quick and easy bios flash via usb will do the trick, nice and easy is what i am expecting. if worst comes to worst ill fork up the cash for some 'expert' to do it (i have no friends where i live, so i cant steal an older processor)

I have 2gigs of DDR2 800MHz pre-ordered, im thinking another 2 gigs wont hurt as Ive decided to go 64bit vista style.

Gonna throw this into a Sonata III with the Antec 500 EarthWatts as it was the cheapest case lol. It will be enough for what im putting in my pc

Stock fan will be just fine, its a reputed cool-runner.

future buys to supplement my E8400 experience:

2gigs more of ram
a NOCTUA NH-U12P or maybe a zalman9700...

ill buy those when my american friend goes home for a holiday... the prices are so much lower in usa.
January 18, 2008 6:07:07 PM

Well I got my new PC on order finally! A year of waiting comes to an end (long overdue lol).
There was only 6 E8400's left in stock yesterday at BLT, so I quickly nabbed one, probably can find other shops selling them today if you look around (if anyone is looking to buy a few days early still).

Also nabbed the Gigabyte DS3L mobo after reading this excellent review on them here-- http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mainboards/display/ga-...

That review came out this month, and YES according to the review this board does indeed have QFLASH, but you need to press F8 in the bios to get to it. To adjust memory timings you need to press CONTROL+F1.

The beta drivers that enable support for the Wolfdales can be found here (download F8a)--
http://www.gigabyte-usa.com/Support/Motherboard/BIOS_Mo...

So as I said earlier. looks like a GREAT low price board for E8400's and OCing based on the review, but there are a few minor problems. The northbridge does get hot, but like they did, ya should probably get a fan on it.

I also went with 2gb of ddr800 ram (vista ultimate 32bit), for 35 bucks lol (corsair XMS2). Will stick with that unless I need more or find the ram just can't go fast enough for my needs. I feel like I shoulda gone 1066 ram, but it is 2x the price!

Of course what hardcore gamer wouldn't buy the 8800GTS (G92) at only $300? I happily picked up a BFG model for that price after rebate (sorry GT lovers, I just don't like the elcrapo noisy hot fan they have) :) 

Also chose a dirt cheap 500W thermaltake PS, after doing more reading and seeing how little power all of my components will need. Someone here will probably think it's an inferior product, but according to the hours of reading I've done, it seems the PS pros think every brand is crap, unless they cost 100+bucks lol.

I really wanted that ANTEC 900 case, but I DON'T like the idea of power connectors not reaching the components, then needing extension cords! And that generic $30 xion case looked good enough for what should be cooler running hardware, then what you quad core or SLI people use lol. (though I'll probably get a small fan on the northbridge if it does indeed run too hot)

I am also sticking with the stock heat sink and fan. I am sure it will overclock very well, and if not I'll stick in a tuniq or something smaller later, though I am not trying for an extreme OC here. 4ghz will be fine, until some more demanding games come out.

Well should be a great rig for the next year. Bear in mind I am 90% gaming, people should buy based on their needs, the duel cores and only 2gigs of DDR 800 ram are NOT for everyone, just most of us lol. Parts should be in on monday or tuesday, in the meantime I am gona get a funeral planned and ready for my current AMD 3200XP X64 crap box w00t!
January 20, 2008 6:07:22 AM

Thanks for the helpful links fellows =)

I am curious to see what kind of overclock I'll get on the stock heatsink\fan and uber generic case (w00t), but darn this waiting is killing me! My shipment is stalled in Illinois, and set not to arrive here in MN until tues-wed now :( 
January 20, 2008 7:11:38 AM

Hey all...
I don't post much, but I was coming here to ask... (drum roll)... about the E8400 and a heatsink/fan combo :o 

I figure I'll ask here first before trying my own thread.

I just got my two E8400 (retail box) chips today (Saturday) for 189.99 each (about 202 after tax). I'm replacing an E4300 that I never O/C'd... but might now in my other system.


Anyway... I have the Asus P5N32-E SLI board (680i) and am just wondering what's a good air-cool heatsink/fan combo that FITS on this motherboard, if you haven't seen it... this mobo has some heatpipes wrapped around the CPU socket.

I've been thinking a Zalman.... but not only is good cooling important, but being very quiet is as well. I probably won't push the chip much beyond the 4Ghz zone anyway.

Thanks for any input or tips,
TK.
January 20, 2008 8:53:34 AM

cnumartyr said:

If you just want a mobo with a single Card - Asus P5K-E 0906 BIOS

Board should post without a problem to flash the FSB. It just might give a CPU Microcode error.. I know the Asus board has 45nm support out of the box... but the 0906 is the only official 45nm BIOS and mine came with 0706. 0602 was the best for OCing (vDrop).. but 0906 has some great options


A quick question! I'm going with the e8200 when its released. It's a question which relates to the whole series though.

I'm getting the Asus P5K-C mobo, but I dont know what the BIOS out of the box is. You've explained it above, but I just want to double check!

My e8200 WILL work with my P5K-C straight out of the box, even if it is an older BIOS on it??? Its my first build by the way!!!

Thanks
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January 21, 2008 7:00:02 PM

^It should in theory, work, but you won't be able to boot/install Windows or some features(?) might be disabled.
January 21, 2008 7:36:52 PM

e8400 works out of the box with Gigabyte GA-G33M-2R.
However, I did update the bios to f7a
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January 21, 2008 9:32:12 PM

Thought so
January 22, 2008 10:32:02 AM

I'm in despair. Does any dealer in the UK have the E8400 actually in stock! I just found out i'm being deployed in 2 weeks to a lovely sandy place and wanna tinker with my new kit asap :fou: .
January 22, 2008 4:41:45 PM

teknomedic said:
Hey all...
I don't post much, but I was coming here to ask... (drum roll)... about the E8400 and a heatsink/fan combo :o 

I figure I'll ask here first before trying my own thread.

I just got my two E8400 (retail box) chips today (Saturday) for 189.99 each (about 202 after tax). I'm replacing an E4300 that I never O/C'd... but might now in my other system.


Anyway... I have the Asus P5N32-E SLI board (680i) and am just wondering what's a good air-cool heatsink/fan combo that FITS on this motherboard, if you haven't seen it... this mobo has some heatpipes wrapped around the CPU socket.

I've been thinking a Zalman.... but not only is good cooling important, but being very quiet is as well. I probably won't push the chip much beyond the 4Ghz zone anyway.

Thanks for any input or tips,
TK.


Zalman's are overhyped and overpriced. Get a thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme or the 90mm version
January 22, 2008 7:31:04 PM

Getting the P35-DS3L and want to get the E8400. First time builder so I don't have an extra CPU to get the new BIOS. Was reading about the Q-FLASH utility and was wondering if anyone used it to update it? If so, a step-by-step guide would be great. Thanks
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January 22, 2008 10:39:58 PM

^The manual explains how to use Q-Flash
January 23, 2008 6:27:34 AM

Flashing a brand new Gigabyte boards BIOS to get it up to date so the E8400 will work.

1) Format a flash drive (can be done with a floppy) to Fat 32.
2) Download the latest bios from Gigabytes website and double check the model number that matches your mother board. http://www.giga-byte.com/Support/Motherboard/BIOS_List....
3) Extract and and save it to the flash drive. Eg p35ds4.f11 for a P35 DS4
4) Boot your new system with the flash drive in and hit <End> during post to get into qflash.
5) Use the up down arrows to select the "update from drive" and hit enter.
6) Select the flash drive and hit enter.
7) Recheck that the bios matches your motherboard (I am paranoid, I know).
8) Select the bios update file and hit enter.
9) Then the message "Are you sure you want to update the Bios?" appears.
10) Take a deep breath and hit enter.
11) Wait - the progress will be displayed - leave it alone dont do anything like unplug your drive or turn off.
12) It should say !!copy bios completed -Pass!! press any key.

Hit <Esc> and then enter to get out of qflash and reboot. As it reboots you should see your shiny new e8400 compatible Bios.

13) During the post hit delete to get into the Bios and select "Load optimal Defaults" and press enter. (This detects all your peripherals)
14) Save and exit.

Thats it. Hope this helps/reassures some folks.

I have a question. I am all decided on my P35-DS4 system apart from the RAM (and to some extent the cooler). I intend to OC it to 4 GHz maybe a bit more but I will be happy with a stable 4 Ghz OC and it will be on 24/7. I do not upgrade for years so its got to last. For various reasons I really really want 4GB of ram. I would be extremely grateful if some one could tell me explicitly what to get i.e. make/model/speed and configuration (4X1 or 2X2GB). 2X2 would be nice if the price was right.
I have done so much fruitless research and was getting so fed up I nearly hit confirm order on a Geil Black dragon 1066 4x1Gb pack but as it cost a bomb and I am not sure its the way to go I thought asking first would be prudent.

I should be extremely grateful if someone could give me a definitive answer.

One more minor point I have Lian-Li P60 case and thought I would go with a Zalman 9700 cooler. I know the thermalright 120 is better but the p60 case is not a big one (especially with an 8800 in it) and I also worry about the sheer weight of the thing bending the motherboard over time. Any suggestions would be welcome.

Thanks in advance.
January 23, 2008 2:52:22 PM

Sakamura said:
9) Then the message "Are you sure you want to update the Bios?" appears.
10) Take a deep breath and hit enter.


so true for me hahahaha. will the stock fan do that i get with my e8200 when it arrives, i will overclock in the future most likely, just not now. i have an antec 900 does that make a difference aswell??

cheers
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January 23, 2008 11:39:31 PM

^The case dose make a little difference air flow wise.
January 24, 2008 12:15:03 AM

smyffalis - Yes it will to a certain extent. The antec 900 has
- 1 rear 120mm Fan - 1 top 200mm Fan - 2 front 120mm fans and 1 (optional) 120mm on the side panel.

So its got amazing airflow capability to get rid of all the heat and is highly recommended just about everywhere . (It does not look that bad too compared with some gamer cases which look as if they were designed on the back of an old sci fi comic by some kid having a bad trip on LSD).

However I hear bad things about the Intel stock heat sink unit. Your surfeit of case fans can only get rid of the heat provided to it and from what I have read its not that great, not for over clocking at least.

Your case will be more than adequate for stock clocks but for overclocking get an after market cooler. Here is a link to a review and comparison to a load of them http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=3068&p=7
Your case is big enough for any of them, just check your mobo does not have an annoying heat pipe or anything else that will interfere with installing the one you pick then your case will come into its own element.

Alas I went for the understated elegance of a Lian-li 'little' black number (p60) which has 4 fans but only two are 120mm. I hope its enough.

Cheers.

PS. I went for Crucial Ballistix 2GB (2x1GB) DDR2 PC2-8500C5 1066MHz Dual Channel Kit (BL2KIT12864AA1065). And a Zalman 9700.
January 24, 2008 1:23:56 AM

I ordered the gigabyte p35-ds3l as well. I read the directions in the post above about how to flash the bios so the e8400 will work. BUT!... if thats the only processor I have for it, will it boot up with the e8400 for me to update the bios in the first place???
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