$650 build Please review......PLEASE!

ok so i just sold my computer on craigslist for 650 dollars. the on in my signature. And i want to build a new one with that money what i have come up with is:


AMD 5000+ Black edition
Gigabyte 6100 ATX - minus $30 with black edition
Antec sonata 3 with 500w PSU
AC 64 freezer pro
1gb Pqi turbo memory CAS 4
HIS Hd3850 512mb with kick @$$ cooling
samsung DVD burner w/ lightscribe

Total is ~ 645 with shipping and before rebates.

Am i forgetting anything? anything you suggest i change?
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  1. Can you provide a link to your motherboard? I can't find a "Gigabyte 6100" anywhere. All I see is a Gigabyte board with a built in GeForce 6100 chip, but they are all mATX.

    You may want to go with another board. Onboard gpu's are just a headache anyway. I'm thinking you may also want some Crucial Ballistix or Patriot Extreme. Both are pretty cheap and over clock extremely well. Pqi could be a good over clocking brand, but I've never really dealt with it, maybe someone else can comment on it's reliability.

    Also, let me know how the AC 64 Freezer fits. I've been curious as to how well after market coolers first with the AM2 clip mechanism.
  2. Heres the mobo - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128034 (sorry don't know how to link)

    but i'm not using onboard im using the HIS hd3850.

    and i'll tell you how the cooler does...i've heard only good reviews about it.
  3. I know you're using the HD3850, I'm just stating that your board has an onboard GPU. The GeForce 6100, you'll have to disable this before you install your 3850... Other than that, the board looks decent.
  4. Well, personally, I'd downgrade to CAS 5 RAM for another gig of the stuff. I noticed a HUGE performance increase from 1 gig to 2 gigs, even with cheap RAM.

    Just my two cents.
  5. HDD?
    OS?
    A 2nd GB of RAM is you an squeeze it.
  6. 1 gig of RAM wont even load most myspace pages..
  7. i have 2 hdd and OS already good ol xp sp2.

    won't cas 5 be slower than cas 4? or will the extra gig outweigh the benefits of the faster timing?
  8. The difference between Cas 4 and Cas 5 is very small, but the difference between 1GB and 2GB is huge. Go for the 2GB.
  9. Yeah, you can get 2GB of RAM really cheap anyway. I got 2x1GB of Patriot Extreme DDR2 800 (4-4-4-12) for $36.00 after a $40.00 MIR. Also, they don't tell you this, but the RAM is only rated for those speeds, so you often won't find them set to 4-4-4-12 by default. It could be something like 4-5-5-18 or something.

    Also, by getting 2GB, you can run them in dual-channel mode. So you'll get a little bit more performance out of them. :)
  10. Do you have a monitor? Rodent? Keyboard? Speakers? Surge protector?
    It will be maybe $7 more, but get a Retail rather than OEM optical drive in order to get all the software you'll need to use it. That includes a decoder for watching DVD movies.
  11. Are you overclocking? If your not I don't see why you care that much about the differents CASs of the RAM.

    Also if your overclocking then why aren't you going with intel. It isn't to hard to find a e21x0 with a motherboard for under $120. With overclocking those things can truly be beasts.
  12. I certainly hope he would be over clocking, since I'm assuming that's the reason he chose the 5000+ BE. Which is a pretty decent over-clocker.

    As for the e21xx, they are pretty nice, but you do become limited by FSB at some point. Not to say they aren't fast, but that is certainly their limiting factor.
  13. hmmm i considered intel but i have no experience with the core 2's and don't want to spend money on a new motherboard when Nehalem comes out.

    With that said yes, i have all the others, mouse, keyboard, monitor, speakers. Do i need a surge protector? will it be beneficial here in california?

    and yes i am OC thats why i chose the BE 5000.

    thanks
  14. "Building an AMD system is like giving to charity" - someone on this forum.

    Here's a much better system for similar pricing.

    $72 - e2180 (OC to 3.0ghz)
    http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=E2180
    OR
    $67 - e2160
    http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=E2160
    http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/09/12/pentium_dual_core/

    $21 - AC Freezer Pro 7 CPU cooler
    http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=FAN-AC7PRO
    $99 - Gigabyte P35
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128059
    $50 - 2gb DDR2-800 Ballistix
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146565
    $51 - Corsair 450vx (450watts, 33amps on+12v)
    http://www.buy.com/prod/corsair-vx-450w-power-supply/q/loc/101/205466485.html

    $259 - Gigabyte 8800GT w/$30 Zalman kick @$$ cooling :kaola:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125081
    Check out the blue lines 3850 vs 8800GT OC
    http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html?modelx=33&model1=1057&model2=1061&chart=278

    $50 - Coolermaster Centurion case (free shipping)
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119068
    $30 - DVD burner your choice ( I like Samsung and Pioneer)

    For a total of $632 before shipping (you could even get the CPU cooler at Egg to save a little more on shipping) but after two small rebates (RAM $25 PSU $10) (case is free shipping AND the Corsair PSU is free shipping, remember). This system is 10x better than the AMD you chose. You're welcome, haha.

    *edit* Ground shipping on the e2160/80 and AC Freezer Pro from ewhiz is only $8.83.
  15. Thanks Noya, but i'm trying to get it all from the same place, to save on shipping and all, seems like that build would total to be > $650. But i will consider the build.

    So i guess question now is 5000 BE or E2180?
  16. The E21x0 is limited by a 800Mhz FSB. Just FYI in case you missed it. I really don't think it will matter either way you go, it's not like the performance difference is going to be night and day. :p
  17. Yeah thats the thing about Intel systems, i don't understand what FSB is as opposed to HT link on AMD systems...which is why i went the AMD route because i don't want to get Intel and not know how to OC it lol.
  18. "The 5000+ Black Edition is the ideal choice for users who wish to upgrade their existing AM2 systems."
    http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/10/22/budget_overclocker/page31.html

    You're building a new system. AMD's Athlon64 architecture is old (2003?), as you well know. A 3.0ghz Core 2 based chip will be faster in EVERY benchmark than a 3.0ghz AMD Athlon64 based chip = there is no reason to buy an AMD Athlon64 based chip.

    teh_boxzor said:
    Yeah thats the thing about Intel systems, i don't understand what FSB is as opposed to HT link on AMD systems...which is why i went the AMD route because i don't want to get Intel and not know how to OC it lol.


    That is a lame excuse to not buy a Core 2 chip ROTFL :lol: You're a fanboy, admit it :non:
  19. rgeist554 said:
    The E21x0 is limited by a 800Mhz FSB. Just FYI in case you missed it. I really don't think it will matter either way you go, it's not like the performance difference is going to be night and day. :p


    e21xx is also limited by a 1MB L2 cache which makes them much slower than even the E4x00 series which has 2MB L2 cache with the 800FSB.
  20. Here's my board, a little more but very very nice. Got it for Christmas, and if you go nvidia, will allow you to SLI.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128014

    Also has HD sound output, only complaint is it's not long enough in the case to reach the very back screw holes, almost though, so what you can do, take some of the plastic standoffs that come with your cases, cut the bigger top piece off, and put them in those holes to keep the board from touching the case.

    Also, I second the motion of 2 gb, you will LOVE it. Oh, if you do opt for the above board, you must hit control-F1 in the bios to bring up the HT Link options and what not for overclocking.

    If you are interested in a seperate PSU, decent cooler master cases can be had on newegg for 50 bucks with free shipping. Might give you a little to go toward that memory.
  21. Noya i guess i just can't cope with change =[

    with that said i will go the route of 5000+ to hold me over until Phenom dual cores come about....or until i get a job and can finally afford a penryn or a quad core phenom.

    i took the advice of dropping the 1gb cas 4 for 2gb cas 5. I got 2 x 1 gb crucial ballistix tracers. 25 dollars after rebate.

    Ohiu i saw the board and i have a 570 MCP SLi on the computer im sellgin (waiting for it to get picked up) and see that i have no use for it...im running 15" LCD @ 10 x 7 and would probably only get Sli to show off and say i can afford sli. lol.

    as for the other case i saw a cooler master case that came with a 550W PSU....my question is how reliable are cooler master real power PSU's?

    i heard nothing but good reviews about the 500w basic earthwatts on the other antec case.
  22. The ASUS M2A-VM 690G would be a much better motherboard choice and is only $65 shipped. I just built 3 systems using this board. 2 with 4000+ Brisbanes and one with Phenom. Mine booted with Phenom out of the box, so that is something to consider if you plan to upgrade later.

    Also, I got 3.0Ghz on the 4000+ with an AC64 and 2.9Ghz from quite a few 3600+ brisbanes, so I definitely do not think the Black Edition is worth the money
  23. i was considering the ASUS m2a-vm 690g since it is bundled with the 5000 BE and is 10 dollars cheaper...i was afraid it wouldn't overclock well. now for the 4000+ to hit 3.0ghz did you use the ASUS?
  24. bliq said:
    e21xx is also limited by a 1MB L2 cache which makes them much slower than even the E4x00 series which has 2MB L2 cache with the 800FSB.


    They are not "much" slower.
    The are about 5% slower Clock for Clock vs the 2mb E4xxx Series and 10% slower than the 4mb 6xxx series.

    However, They are are excellent OCers and will hit well beyond 3.0Ghz and beat an E6850 at Stock.
    They will also beat any AMD Chip, even OC'd.

    Yes, the E4500 may be wind up giving you about a 5% bonus clock for clock, but the cost is $50 more and that could mean a better GPU or better other components.

    The difference will be very tough to notice.
  25. To every one who reads this: FSB AND CACHE DON'T ADD THAT MUCH. They are needed and necessary but don't make to terribly much of a difference.

    I used to like AMD, but then and again I just go to whichever company gives the best bang for the buck. To get the best bang for the buck you overclock and as far as overclocking goes Intel wins with overclocking every time.
  26. all right im upping my build fund to lets say 750-800 USD can someone build me a tried and tested intel system that will guarantee a 3ghz clock speed, please try to get all the parts from oneplace, i.e. all from newegg or tiger....can the newer 1066mhz fsb run the 800mhz cpu's?
  27. teh_boxzor said:
    all right im upping my build fund to lets say 750-800 USD can someone build me a tried and tested intel system that will guarantee a 3ghz clock speed, please try to get all the parts from oneplace, i.e. all from newegg or tiger....can the newer 1066mhz fsb run the 800mhz cpu's?


    That's easy. Just go with my above build, but use the e6750 instead (from newegg).
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115029
    I'd still go with a better cooler:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186134

    But still buy the PSU from buy.com using google checkout (it has free shipping). Newegg almost always overcharges for PSU's and hardly ever has free shipping on model worth buying.

    Whatever you do, I would buy the power supply and case I linked to above ASAP as the Corsairs price jumps around (and $51 is the lowest I've seen) and free shipping on a cheap (and decent case) doesn't happen often at newegg (and shipping on the case is what costs a ton, $17+).

    I would also add these 2x512mb Ballistix to give you a full 3gb (the most XP and Vista 32-bit can use) if you can handle the rebate lol.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146566
  28. Alright thanks Noya. I'm ordering all the parts tonight after i learn how to OC an intel.


    Thanks for all your help guys?
  29. The intel build is definitely the better purchase if you can swing it. Just model it after the one in my sig and you'll be good.

    P.S.- And yes, the ASUS M2A-VM overclocks well.
  30. I didn't see anyone say anything about this, maybe it's still too early in the morning and I missed it? Anyways, Coolermaster is tier 5, DO NOT BUY, in the PSU listing. Go ahead and get an Antec, or any other respectable brand. (Seasonic, Corsair, Enermax, PC Power & Cooling, etc.)
  31. spend the extra monies and get the 3870.
  32. pick up this months custom pc magazine, it's weighing out all the cpu's mobos and gpu's for this year (2008)... it also says that going with AMD is a nonsence buy this year as the core 2 duo beats it every way price and performance, so go intel, atleast untill AMD catch up in a few years!... E6850's are going for £140 if you look about realll hard these days, I know, I got one! but yeah, good one for deciding intel,
  33. The E6750's are better price / performance, as you can easily spend $100 (~50 pounds) less and overclock the difference on stock cooling.
  34. Quote:
    There is a reason, price. Some people ARE on a budget! You can build a dual core Athlon system for the same price as a single core Celeron. Plus AMD processors have the advantage of ATI's superior integrated graphics chipsets such as the 690G and the 780G http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3112&p=12. I know you're going to say a cheap discrete card will increase the performance greatly but not everyone can afford to buy one*

    *I mean poor as in schools (that do graphic design etc) and first-homeowners (that wanna play old games).



    The price argument is just simply not true anymore. I can build a core2 system with any e2xxx (which all cost less than your CPU and can be overclocked FAR beyond the AMDs) that will outperform any comparably priced AMD-based system. The integrated graphics argument is irrelevant in my eyes as one cannot game at playable resolutions on any integrated graphics solution (at an lcd's native resolution).
  35. I just built a nice budget gamer for a non-tech savy friend. The ASUS 690G and 4000+ combo was ~$115. Right now the 4000+ is sitting at 2.8Ghz with no voltage boost at all. I could not build a decent intel system without spending $50 or so more dollars. For a college kid who has no money (my friend), $50 is a lot. Plus, I really like the 690G motherboards. The onboard video is decent enough to play CS:S and Guild Wars and overall can tie them over so they can afford a better GPU.
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