I need to build so low cost systems - i never use these chips so any comments?

the E4500 is only $20 more at $120 and its twice as good right? its a 4500 and the 2280 is about half of 4500!

thats a little joke.

do these work in older P5n-e mobos - they will not let me update the bios (asus locked them)

or you could buy an AMD X2 3600 and get a motherboard and a stick of ram all for less than you'd pay for that E4500...

The E4500 should beat the E2180 by an average of about 5%.

There should be about a 0% difference between the E2160 and E2180 so I would go for the E2160.

The E2160 will not come close to a FSB Wall so I don't see a reason to not save the funds and go for that one.

Both the E2160 and E4500 are good chips. Just depends if the extra $40 or the 5% is more important.

I would suggest go for the e2180 not because it is faster. Its cheaper and its good.

And the price difference is not $20 .. its about $40 .. and you can get MORE discount if you buy any 775 mobo with it.

Check this out:

http://www.clubit.com/product_deta [...] o=A1938263

click the "Click here for extra savings" .. and it give you this message (or like it):

"Save $14 when you check out with any LGA 775 motherboard with promo code: EBL1041938263"

So imagine... save $14 (with a mobo) and the price difference is $40 ... quite big huh?

gl

EDIT:

I bought mine here with the GA-P35-DS3L mobo .. my checkout price was about $165+ shipping included

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http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/ [...] w=0&nojs=0

The E2160 is a good chip. I got it overclocked with a Zalman 9700 and a P5B Deluxe to 3.15Ghz up from its stock 1.8ghz. Not too bad methinks.

Sure your mb must support it and you will need better cooling to get it that high. but you probably can overclock it to about 2.4ish or a little more on stock air no problem. That little proc is great bang for the buck.

After remembering you said you have allot of PC's, and then the remark that the E4xxx series is pretty crappy... now this?

Just get the E2180...

wow thank you!

ya i build pc's - I used to use, e6600 chips in my lowest end systems(going to E8400 and E8500) . The q6600 is what i use in the majority of systems. some qx and some e6700.
to be honest i used a e4400 once and was not impressed but these are for super low price so i thought i would get some input

good imput - i use the 2280 at $85!

So elaborate... What was it that was disappointing or you were not impressed by?

The overclocking and just the feel of the processor - with in the same voltage as i usually use i could not get past 2.8ghz. The E6600 consistantly clock to 3.37ghz or 1500fsb with the nvidia mobo.

I use these lower fsb chips in the slower mobos - i think it was the p5b-vm. micro atx.

at the time the cpu was close too $200 i think it was 7 or more months ago.


right now i am stripping down systems and selling them cheap to gear up for new stuff - i order some E2180's

i sure hope they work with the old p5n-e bios

Heh... close to 200 bucks on an E4400? Where the hell did you shop for that chip?

I brought the E4300 for my dad and it was the OEM for 133 bucks. Then after the E4400 came out, I got it from NewEgg for 126 bucks retail.

I got my E4400 at 3ghz easy, but it seems as though the MB or chipset (MSI P5N 650i) wouldn't allow me to push it past 3ghz. Now the MB is capable to go past 1333FSB, but the bios always warned me that I was using an 800FSB chip.

So I kind wonder if the pin mod would actually help get past the 3ghz barrier I have. Meaning to physically alter the FSB strap to 1066 in order to fool the bios to let it run faster. I still haven't go around doing that since I'm actually happy at 3ghz.

-Non-intensive gamer:
Get a E2180, and with the default cooler bundled you will also be happy @ 3GHz with a P35/G33/P965 board which do overclock. It will be working at a little bit temperature at full load but it is still acceptable.

-Intensive gamer:
A processor with more cache will generate a higher frame rate. At a cost of $20, E4500 should be a bit better. However, the processor with more cache, the harder to do overclock at high frequency...

I kinda disagree with the cache. I'd agree that CPU's with larger cache may run warmer or hotter, but it doesn't really affect the OC on it. I'd say the rated FSB and chipset has to do with running into walls when you can't get past a certain speed.

I mean the Q6600 has 8MB cache and people are getting 3.6-3.7 off it.

Although more cache also helps the performance out more... generally up to 5% if memory serves.

I'd say you can probably reach those speeds on stock cooling. I bought the e2180/ds3l combo at clubit for the same price mentioned and have it at 3.2 on stock cooling.

I have never used any of the higher end processors so I really can't compare them. All I have to compare is an old amd64 3000+, which the e2180 blows away.

more cache on the cpu means programmers can become more lazy
programming now-a-days is so much more simplified compared to 10-20 years ago
we ought to know the compiler is more advanced, but still can't perform miracles...